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If M2 Macs get shown at WWDC, when can we buy them?
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Depends on the Mac. Mac Pro? Probably December. Everything else? Probably immediately or shortly after.
With the shipping at a stand still, I wouldn’t expect any new models with a new M2 to ship very soon. Look at the delivery slips for the Ultra chipped Studio, and other newer Macs. Shipping is pretty much on pause right now. Plus I don’t think they will introduce the M2 at WWDC. And due to the shipping issues, they probably won’t introduce any new Macs at WWDC.
Let's not set ourselves up for disappointment. The chance of M2 showing up at WWDC is virtually nil.
Ordering them soon might be possible. But getting the product might take a while.
But my guess is this will be a Fall launch, not WWDC
But my guess is this will be a Fall launch, not WWDC
Intel is catching up fast. M1 will be two years old this fall. Apple needs to say something about it IMO. Otherwise it won’t look good with a 13th or 14th gen Intel.
Let's be real. Most reviewers praised the MacBook Air i3 (2020) even though it had a 1.1GHz dual-core processor.
The vast majority of non-nerd Mac buyers don't care much about performance. M1 even two years old, is just the cherry on top.
Apple MacBook Air (2020) review: the best Mac for most people
The new Magic Keyboard and faster processors put the Air back on top.
Apple MacBook Air review: 2020's near-perfect consumer laptop
Updated processors, a price drop and an excellent new keyboard only add to this fantastic traditional laptop
Once you start heading down the road of “we don’t care about performance” you become PowerPC 2.0 real quick.Let's be real. Most reviewers praised the MacBook Air i3 (2020) even though it had a 1.1GHz dual-core processor.
The vast majority of non-nerd Mac buyers don't care much about performance. M1 even two years old, is just the cherry on top.
Apple MacBook Air (2020) review: the best Mac for most people
The new Magic Keyboard and faster processors put the Air back on top.www.theverge.com
Apple MacBook Air review: 2020's near-perfect consumer laptop
Updated processors, a price drop and an excellent new keyboard only add to this fantastic traditional laptopwww.theguardian.com
If you aren’t the market leader in performance (or competitive with the market leader) you find yourself with the reputation of being junk.
Nobody using M1 macOS computers cares about Intel anymore. Intel is garbage that consumes way too much energy for the same output.
Apple is fully committed to ARM and that's the future of the platform.
I do. If Intel blows passed Apple Silicon I’ll no longer use macs for my work. It’s that simple. I’m not an Apple fanboy, I get the best computers I can to do my job. Apple dropped Intel, it will look VERY VERY VERY bad for Apple if Intel beats the crap out of Apple Silicon soon. People will want Apple to go back to Intel or stop buying macs.
I'm not sure what makes some of you think Intel is so close to "blowing past" M1, and I'm REALLY not sure where all the M2 release date anxiety is coming from. At this point, as long as Apple keeps improving their own chips, it barely matters what Intel is doing. The only way they could REALLY duplicate Apple's playbook is if they are also making the software and manufacturing all the computers.
Intel is essentially a component maker. Until they transform into a true chip foundry, which I think they will do eventually, they are simply the maker of the brain of the Windows PC. They cannot possibly optimize for all the different versions of Windows and combinations of hardware in Windows machines. Apple CAN optimize for all the years of Macs they feel can feasibly still handle it, and now they don't even have to care what Intel's roadmap CLAIMS to be.
And this is just gen 1 of the transition to Apple Silicon. If history is any kind of teacher, Apple will just get better at it from here. I'm not sure how Intel, a company definitely on their heels right now, would even come into play. That's not even to mention that Windows on ARM is still a pipe dream for all intents and purposes.
Intel 12th gen chips are a massive improvement. If m2 waits until 13th or 14th gen Intel it won’t be good IMO. I jumped on Apple Silicon because for what I do even the M1 Mac Mini beat my $2,500 windows PC at video editing. 12th gen is already a large improvement over my 10th gen Intel on my PC.
Why? When Apple Silicon passed Intel on release, I didn't suddenly ditch all my computers for M1.
Performance is not the only factor people look at. I, for one, like to have a machine that doesn't double as an air fryer while I'm working.
How quickly do you think Intel will bring out those generations? Do you really think that Apple is not going to continue to improve their chips? It looks like 12th gen is only now starting to come out in laptops.
I certainly did. I sold my 2019 i9 iMac and MacBook Pro for the M1 Mac mini and 16” MacBook Pro M1 Max. It’s speeding up my workflow greatly so why keep using the Intel one?
Because speed means nothing if your workflow isn't compatible with ARM.
This was the case for me back in 2020. There were no MacBook Pros at the time, and I wasn't going to buy an 8 or 16 GB M1 mini when my current one (2018) has 32 GB. Plus, some development tools weren't yet ready for ARM and didn't work under Rosetta.
Fortunately, Apple came out with the best laptops since 2015 and the tools I needed got ARM support. Late 2021 was when I felt the ecosystem was ready for me to make the switch.
Well you may be surprised to know that Jeff Wilcox, the key architect for Apple's M1 chip and Apple Silicon transition left Apple for Intel earlier this year > https://www.macrumors.com/2022/01/06/m1-mac-engineer-departs-apple-intel/
and the same went for a few others (including two for Qualcomm and Microsoft on chip design). So I am assuming we may see a return-to-form for the likes of Intel and Microsoft with these top ex-Apple engineers onboard. With them around, we may likely see much more efficient chip designs from Intel in future.
Whilst they may not seem to matter to the Mac world to you, Intel does and still plays a huge role on tech infrastructure worldwide and to a certain extent, the Thunderbolt and PCIe interfaces they developed. I think Apple trying to knock Intel out completely from their ecosystem may actually jeopardise future TB and other hardware development for Apple.
On the other hand it must be pretty bad for Apple to be losing so many top-level engineers in such a short time span.
People leaving at such a rapid rate doesn't bode well for development especially morale and stability when you are trying to keep things on track and on a levelled schedule.
That’s exactly what people said during the PowerPC era, and look how that turned out.
Apple switched to Intel because they were getting trounced.
This idea that Apple can exist outside the reality of a competitive marketplace is a strange one indeed.
The Studio just got released. They won't touch that one in a good while. Buy while it's fresh if you need one.
The Air has been out with the M1 SoC for a good while and I definitely expect that one to be among the first M2-based computers to be released as soon as they've got something to show. I don't expect that to happen before WWDC but rather at that event or, more likely, sometime during fall.
If another technology pulls far enough ahead of their own designs I fully expect them to change again - in 15-20 years or so. But unless they're strapped for cash they will still want to control their own destiny.
Protip based on a single data point: Once they start bragging about using a different architecture in their phones, they'll be mere years away from using the same architecture in their computers. ?
EDIT: Remember that for a long while PowerPC was actually not a bad choice - not until laptops became a big thing did the datacenter roots of the PPC design become a real problem to them. And you can still purchase PPC servers that are competitive - at least for some interpretations of the term.
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What competitive marketplace? Intel primarily competes in the x86 ecosystem, which is not comparable to ARM. Their direct competitor is AMD, not Apple.
Until Intel show they can release a mass-market ARM chip that competes with M1 (same performance per watt), there is no competition.
As for Qualcomm, they compete in the mobile space, but Apple isn't phased by that as their A-series chips have been leading the competition for years.