Everything I work on could be done on Windows, I suppose. Windows is still out of the question.
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If M2 Macs get shown at WWDC, when can we buy them?
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You are saying someone working in premiere pro CANNOT work AT ALL when switching from windows and Mac? Stop being ridiculous. I do this all the time.
I'm saying no significant number of professional users change OS's on whim. This isn't reality. Whatever you do, I don't care. Don't use your behavior to suggest that anyone else actually does the same.
What makes you think Intel is going to be able to sustain that level of improvement? 7th-8th gen chips were also a big leap because they switched from 2 or 4 core designs to 4, 6 or 8 core ones, then things levelled off again for 9th 10th and 11th gen chips. As far as I can see this is a similar flash in the pan with the introduction of the bigLITTLE type of design with low and high power cores. By contrast Apple makes steady, sustained performance gains year over year.
And don’t say “no professional user changes OS”. I’m proof that invalidates your implied “no one”. Apple got significant blowback on their pro attitude with the 2013 Trash can Mac Pro. You know what most professionals did? Changed to Windows! Why? It was better!
No professional would turn down more clients/money/free time to be ungodly loyal to one OS. If something nets in a benefit, they will gladly switch.
right tool for the job
For developer , we do switch for right job.
1. linux for server
2. Windows for .exe application .
3. MacOs for mobile application .
What really sad , my old adobe license( cs series) only work in windows and cannot transferable to MacOs. Today , subscription adobe and microsoft much easier for cross os , but not all company doing the same thing and most update first only on windows platform.
M chips always have been in iPhone etc., because M chips and A chips share building blocks and are co-developed by the same teams in the same buildings.
"Mx" and "Ax" are just marketing names. A14's internal SoC part number is T8101, M1's is T8103. It's not easy to decipher what each digit in Apple's SoC part number scheme means, but generally differing by just the last digit seems to imply very similar chips. In another timeline where Apple decided to delay the Mac transition, T8103 would have been marketed as A14X and sold only in iPads, and we'd just be raising our eyebrows at how much faster it is than the Intel chips in low end Macs, wondering why Apple didn't go for it already.
The last line was to emphasize that not everyone is fluid like you in easily transitioning between different tools. Naturally, many people use Premiere but that doesn't mean they would necessarily want to use FCP, and vice-versa.
So why do you get to say stuff like that but its not okay to say macOS would be in trouble if Intel catches up? Not EVERYONE is completely LOCKED in to macOS either you know. If I can get twice the clients, twice the work done or twice the free time, why the heck would I stick to Apple Silicon if Intel has improved that much?
I really don't understand why my statement is getting this much heat. Man these forums just continue to really irritate me it always seems "My statement is right and you are ALWAYS WRONG!!!!"
Any professional will use the correct tool that leads them to be successful. Why is there a Mac or Windows allegiance discussion going on here? You do realize that Windows is used FAR FAR FAR more often in the professional space than Macs anyway right....RIGHT? Every business I have been to with content creation work has been Windows based. Premiere Pro is the industry standard.
You make sweeping, unjustified statements here which imho are misleading to many, especially that Intel is "garbage", which is clearly untrue. You may dislike them - and that's ok.
I've been an ardent Mac fan for years, have enjoyed their early Intel models and still use several of them with never a hiccup. Ditto for their latest 27" Intel 2020 iMac which is a marvellous machine, which is giving much enjoyment, and I'm convinced will still be going strong after several years - unlike, I wager, many M1 machines when they become troublesome and non cost effective to repair due to excessive cost of parts combined with high labour charges.
A related issue that is so often overlooked is the exceptional repairabilty of many Intel machines, especially when comparing Apple to other manufacturers. Check out THIS link. Note the abysmal scores acheived on so many Intel Macs compared to the competitors. The latter (with very few exceptions) can in no way be deemed as garbage as they will remain satisfactory performers longer than many Apple products as they are relatively inexpensive to service.
I have a very large AppleMac collection of desktop and laptops, all purchased used, perfectly serviceable and used frequently, but I don't plan to add any used M1/M1x models to my collection unless there's one that stands out in terms of ease of maintainability and can be relatively easily worked on by myself in the event of problems - and I'm in no way a professional.
Don't misunderstand me, I admire what Apple have done with the development of their M1 Silicon chip and related ARM instruction set, and I agree that although it's increased their platform security it's also been argued that it possibly signals a change to a locked-down version of MacOS which could have it's own security drawbacks. That in itself is bad news for 3rd party repairers, and an impossible situation for the many, very capable private individuals who enjoy performing their own repairs and reburbishments. I have little doubt that will condemn many M1x Macs to a shorter lifespan and consequently an earlier grave than those with Intel. You may dislike them, but traditionally and for the foreseeable future are far, far from "garbage".
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The more time passes, the less likely I think it is we'll see M2 announced at WWDC. I still think it will be released this fall, but don't think Apple will announce it early. Why? We're now dealing with about a two months delay from ordering to delivery of a M1 based Mac. That will soon probably be three months. If they announce M2 at WWDC in June, who in their right mind would still order a M1 based Mac with delivery in September/October when the M2 based Macs go on sale in October/November and are delivered a week or two later (if you're early pre-ordering). That is unless one absolutely need a new machine right now.
Apple wants to sell as many M1 Macs between now and October/November and that only works if they don't announce anything. The M2 announcement will come a week or two before they start shipping. Plus, all those who now buy a M1 and need the latest and greatest will upgrade again as soon as M2 hits. Good for Apple.
Apple wants to sell as many M1 Macs between now and October/November and that only works if they don't announce anything. The M2 announcement will come a week or two before they start shipping. Plus, all those who now buy a M1 and need the latest and greatest will upgrade again as soon as M2 hits. Good for Apple.
I don't think we will see M2 in WWDC for two reasons.
1- They still have the Mac Pro based on M1 to be released. Kinda awkward release M2 next to an M1 machine in one event.
2- It would be smarter to release the M2 first on the iPad Pro, to give it a much needed sales boost. And big pocket will mostly likely double dip (Buy a M2 iPad Pro to experience the M2 hype early on, then another M2 later as a MacBook). This wouldn't happen if the release order is reversed.
1- They still have the Mac Pro based on M1 to be released. Kinda awkward release M2 next to an M1 machine in one event.
2- It would be smarter to release the M2 first on the iPad Pro, to give it a much needed sales boost. And big pocket will mostly likely double dip (Buy a M2 iPad Pro to experience the M2 hype early on, then another M2 later as a MacBook). This wouldn't happen if the release order is reversed.
Yeah, every generation of Intel chips was just a huge jump in performance and they delivered them quic... OH WAIT.
One of the reasons Apple moved to Arm is that Intel wasn't delivering. Now, all of a sudden, they're going to blow past the M series? Pull the other one...
Roadmaps mean jack, so what Intel says is meaningless. What they do is what matters and if you think Intel is going to deliver 2 to 3 generations before the M2 is out you're either being silly or trolling.
What I think will happen is something like
- Mac Pro announced at WWDC, "coming this fall". They osborne some Intel Mac Pro sales perhap, but it's not a major source of money for them. That a) lets them complete the AS transition, b) lets them show what they feel the Mac Pro can be with AS and c) clears the decks for the next generation of M processors.
- In the fall, at the October event, they'll announce a redesigned Air based on the M1X or M2 whatever they name it. It will be orderable the next week as usual.
- Macbook Pros will be a spring 2023 announce.
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This HAS to be trolling. You cannot be this illogical. The M1 in my 2 year old Air still beats an i9 in a laptop. The Studio kicks tha ass of most Intel boxes for a similar cost. But you're conjuring some BS about intel suddenly being twice as fast? GTFOH with that. And unless you are booked solid for months ahead, doing the work 2x as quickly doesn't double your supposed client list.
EDIT: The PowerPC era is irrelevant. Most of that happened prior to Jobs, all of it happened before Apple started acquiring chip expertise and it was TWENTY YEARS AGO. Of course AS needs to be as good and usually better than Intel. But whining that they aren't updating every 12 months (yet) and that if they don't do so in the next 3 months, they're DOOOMED is laughably transparent.
Finally, I hate to break this to you, but high end video work is a tiny percentage of the market. The Air is the largest seller in the Mac line and if Apple does nothing but match high end Intel performance but also give us that on a performance/watt basis that blows away Intel, the Air will continue to sell incredibly well. Even the MBPs will benefit because they are inherently portable so perf/watt DOES matter there. Go look at MKBHD's MBP 16 review video where he shows editing an 8K RAW file and how well it performs. And can do that for hours on battery power. Heck, here:
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So let me get this straight. Its a troll to say that you will change computers if something helps you get more clients/do work faster? This is all I am freaking saying. If Intel chips with Windows gets to a point where Macs do not perform well, then I will switch again. How is this a troll? I want to see Apple Silicon make progress. M1 will be going on 2 years in the fall. This is concerning. That is way too long in technology.
Whatever, this is my last post. I JUST moved from Windows to Macs because on a 10 hour export, they saved me 3 hours compared to my $2,500 custom built PC with an RTX 3080 upgrade later. It saves me time, I can get MORE work done for me and my clients, so I I can get MORE clients now thanks to Apple Silicon. If Intel helps my work be even faster in the future, I will switch again. Its not a "switch on a whim" its a "switch to improve my business".
REALLLY not sure why such a statement required dozens of intense replies. I guess if I don't hate on Intel its considered bad here?
Yes, making crap up like "if Intel is twice as fast!" and then basing an argument on that is trolling. But "M1 will be going on 2 years in the fall" - well it's Spring and we have at least two major events (WWDC and the October event) to go. Pointless worrying about hypothetical "What if" scenarios is kind of the definiton of trolling.
Because you're continuing to post on hypotheticals that are not just not current reality but that fly in the face of recent reality. Intel for the last *10 years* hasn't been delivering generation over generation advances that show big performance gains, but now we're supposed to be worried that AS is going be be definitively beat by some future events? When Apple isn't even done with their transition? Come on....
Of course if Apple falls drastically behind it will be a problem. But there's no evidence of that, the evidence that they can keep advancing chip performance is solid (from the A4 to the A15...) and it's pointless to talk about things that arent close to reality as if they're going to affect your business now or in the near term.
EDIT: You might not realize this, but one reason you're getting the pushback here is that long time Apple users have heard this for 40+ years. "Oh, if Apple does/doesnt to X, everyone will leave and they're DOOOMED." It gets OLD and at this point given Apple's success over the last 2 decades, it feels trollish even if it's not meant that way.
I don't assume that. I do think it will be more powerful than the M1 base and perhaps more powerful than the M1 Pro. But that's on the simplisitic assumption that CPU single core performance = power. The higher end versions have more GPU cores (and more CPU cores in some cases). Mostly, I want a reasonable jump over the 2020 M1 Air and ideally some options that aren't about performance like the ability to drive 2 screens, etc.
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I don't care about the repair business, this is not Louis Rossmann's forums.
What I care about - and so do many consumers here - is performance, price, and battery life. The ARM lineup now has something for everyone, from students who need all-day battery life to professionals who demand the best performance from their machines.
M1 delivers, while Intel clearly missed the mark delivering thermal throttling chips for years. No one wants a laptop that costs thousands for it to thermal throttle with a professional workload.
Overall, Apple's expertise in the mobile space meant that when they finally focused on the Mac they delivered something that their competitors can't compete with. They won't make the mistake of letting others control what powers their computers again.
What parts are cheaper to replace in a 2020 Intel iMac compared to the 2021 M1 iMac? Outside of the CPU (which basically never fails), and maybe RAM (also basically doesn't fail in Apple's soldered-down-RAM systems, in my experience), there is no difference.
In fact, one of the more likely things to break and need fixing are the USB port connectors on the back. These are actually possible to fix on the M1 iMac without replacing the entire logic board. The 2020 Intel iMacs? Not so much.
Did you pay much attention to what iFixit had to say about the 14"/16" M1 MacBook Pro design? (hint: they think it's a step in the right direction compared to the Intel Macs they replaced)
Who is making that argument, and can I have some of what they're smoking? Sounds like it'll take your mind to other worlds, man.
Back in our universe, Apple put in extra work (which they didn't have to do!) to make sure that Apple Silicon Macs are able to let users run any kind of OS, including unsigned versions of macOS with user-customized macOS kernels. That signals to me that all the paranoia about locking Macs down is just that, paranoia. Stop assuming that the things which you don't know about the new platform must all be bad (that's the core of this kind of thinking, in my experience). And start contemplating that if Apple wanted to super lock down the Mac, using Intel processors never prevented them from doing so.
Yes, let's "look how that turned out", Apple 21 years ago was the #236 largest corporation by revenue according to the Forbes 500 list. Intel was #41. 10 years later Apple was #35 on the list, but Intel slipped to #56. Last year Apple was #3 on the list, but #1 by Capitalization, and Intel was #41. Apple's revenues are 9 times what Intel's are.
Forbes Fortune 500 By Revenue
2001 Largest Companies
IBM #8
Intel #41
Microsoft #79
Apple #236
2011 Largest Companies
IBM #18
Apple #35
Microsoft #38
Intel #56
2021 Largest Companies
Apple #3 (#1 by Capitalization) Revenues are 9 times of Intel.
Microsoft #15
Intel #40
IBM #42
During the last 20 years, Apple Won and Intel Lost. The biggest advancements $wise in personal device/computer history and Intel hasn't advanced on the Forbes list. Even Microsoft grew substantially. Intel must be shaking in their shoes, as Apple hit a Grand Slam with their SOC, 1st with their iPhone, then iPads and now with computers. Apple has now switched away from Intel and the projections for their newest SOC devices, the M1 Macs, are better than ever. It seems even diehard pc users agree the M1 SOC is a great advancement in personal computers and Apple will be gaining market share. With Apple (soon) no longer being a customer, how will this affect Intel's revenues and future growth?
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The M2 will have faster single-core than the equivalent M1.
The M1 and M1-Max have the same single core-performance.
The M2 will have faster single-core than the M1-Ultra, but single core isn't why someone buys the M1-Ultra or whatever is going in the MacPro.
Is there a point you are attempting to make here? What does any of this have to do with my post? I mean, you do realize Apple dumped PowerPC and switched to Intel, yeah?
Well the last few quarters have been the biggest ever for the Mac, so I reckon Apple is happy with the way Apple Silicon is performing.