If my consideration between 24-core GPU and 32-core is about gaming, is there no point spending the extra for the 32?

[mcnallym]

I am apparently just a troll on this forum for passionately rejecting Apple after being a hardcore Mac fan of 17 years that also happens to appreciate the artistic merit of the games medium (while also working and traveling, for any of those quick-to-sterotype limited thinkers), but I did in fact leave recently. I can understand and empathize with the dislike towards me (I am quite the ass), but whatever.

I am now on an operating system that plays any game out there, from any era, and it also happens to run every professional, scientific and business software application as well. Perhaps the laptop runs a few hours less on battery, and perhaps the M1 Max runs (the handful of) native apps out there faster than the competition, but good lord I don't really care. This PC runs fast enough for any reasonable and employable workload expectation, and 11 hours productivity is also a reasonable expectation ("Who reads for more than 10 hours?" - Steve Jobs on the iPad). I just want to run software, any software, ALL software, and that's the metric I stand by. The PC does that.

You can in fact, have your cake and eat it too. You can both game and work in a full, uncompromised professional capacity. You can have one system that does it all. Except live in the Land of Oz Candyland Apple ecosystem. You lose that one exclusive thing. Apple stuff. I'll be okay without those handcuffs, I think.

Edit: Oh wait, I CAN in fact run macOS, and stay with the Cult of Apple if I want to! If I boot into my Fedora partition and use VFIO GPU passthrough, I can have macOS on my PC with bare metal performance and NO compatibility or updating concerns. All 3 operating systems with native performance, Windows, Linux, and macOS on ONE laptop, just like before on my Intel MacBook Pros of the past! Yes friends, you can still have it all. You do not need to shackle yourself to Apple Silicon prison and lose native Windows, native Linux, native 32-bit apps, and soon (5 years max) native x64 apps. You can have it all again, and still use macOS. Apple Music, Apple News, Apple iWork, Apple Xcode, Apple TV, Apple this, Apple that, Apple here, Apple there, Apple everywhere, oh god the bliss! I have to go back! Just pour that Morning Show all over me, Apple! I'll wipe down after such a religious exertion with the Apple Polishing Cloth, paid for with my Apple Card!

Proving my point that Apple trying not to fit for everyone, You have found that what selling no longer suitable for you. Is why I have a hackintosh currentlly for video editing as no Mac suitable for what wanted.

You found the right tool for your needs. Not tried to cram into a Mac.

 

[vir]

They will come eventually.

 

[smirking]

I am apparently just a troll on this forum for passionately rejecting Apple...

I went through your message history. I have sobering news. You're not being rejected for any of your opinions. You're just being rejected for being excessively belligerent.

I expect you to take this extremely well.

 

[vir]

That's a bit creepy.

 

[Ethosik]

The first two will come to PC in time (See God of War, now listed on Steam), and a recent leak points to the PC release of the third one. Anyways, "all computer games", is that better? And by far the platform with the most emulators available (see Spine, nascent PS4 emulator for Linux). Consoles are cool though, I have a few.

Yet the new God of War is not coming to PC. No indication as to when either. Returnal is also not on PC.

And you have guaranteed proof that those games I listed are coming to PC?

 

[vir]

It's still likely.

 

[Pro Apple Silicon]

Buying a MacBook Pro shouldn't even have gaming as consideration. I couldn't play a single game from my Steam library on it if I wanted to.

 

[Piplodocus]

Sorry. Not even Windows can play Spider-Man or Final Fantasy 7 Remake or Persona 5 Royal.

I want Mac gaming and am in your side of the argument here somewhat, but I think this is basically splitting hairs. Yeah, not *everything* is available on windows, but the general point of their post stands if one isn’t pedantic.

I still bought one and I still intend to game on it, there’s also a load of titles you can happily run, but let’s be honest, market share makes macs specialist and have noticeably less software.

 

[htnt7919]

Sorry but this is a ridiculous argument.
Why should you get something you will never make any use of?

Also, are you suggesting only extremely well off people need high processing power on their computer equipment?
Should people on a budget just change job?

I agree on your point if they are getting air or pro 13" but if they already step into $2500+ range, $200 ( 7%) more for potential 30% increase graphic power so the question is kinda pointless .

 

[radus]

I do not know anything about gaming.
But the new Macbook Pro's are pricy and the 32 core 64Gb versions are not that much more expensive.
I went with the 16" M1 Max 64GB and 2TB SSD - that is on the long run better. If you need more storage an external ssd is the way to go but you can not replace the CPU / GPU and memory.

 

[Ethosik]

I want Mac gaming and am in your side of the argument here somewhat, but I think this is basically splitting hairs. Yeah, not *everything* is available on windows, but the general point of their post stands if one isn’t pedantic.

I still bought one and I still intend to game on it, there’s also a load of titles you can happily run, but let’s be honest, market share makes macs specialist and have noticeably less software.

It’s just as much splitting hairs as saying macos can’t game. I have listed about a dozen games I personally play on my Mac. Just like how windows doesn’t have EVERY GAME (PlayStation exclusive games), macOS doesn’t have EVERY Windows game. Switch has even less games too.

 

[Ethosik]

You know what exclusivity windows are?

Spider-Man is the only one of those 3 with no evidence of a PC release as of yet. Seems likely still, but who knows.

The iPod Classic game "Chinese Checkers" by Apple Inc. is also not available for PC. I guess I was really wrong about this. Sorry about that.

There is evidence of God of War: Ragnarok coming to PC? Returnal? God of war was JUST announced to be coming to PC. That game is three years old now. If it takes that long for Windows to get these games, it’s no surprise macos doesn’t get these exclusives.

 

[Piggie]

I love the idea of Gaming on the Mac.
However it's never going to happen if you are expecting people to spend 1000's on the hardware.

If Apple released a Mini with the new high end chipsets then they could totally turn things around.
Sadly I fear Apple will refuse to do this, and be shortsighted as to how BIG they have the potential to become in this sector.
It's a shame.

 

[vir]

Windows has more games.

 

[Ethosik]

You're being willfully obtuse and trying to change the argument to "yeah but look over here, consoles!"

I know consoles have exclusives. Everybody knows that.

You also know that Windows has an order of magnitude more personal computer (shall I again stress "personal computer") games than Mac does. macOS as it currently stands with M1 probably can't even run a percentage of a percentage of the ones available on Windows. Windows has by far the largest coverage of any platform, anywhere. Hundreds of thousands to macOS's probably mere hundreds. There is a gaping black universe of distance between the two in terms of compatibility. You know this. I know you know this. But I have to pretend to spell it out so you can pretend to not understand. Ugh.

Consoles have exclusives just like Windows does. That is the point I’m making. macOS has exclusives too that Windows doesn’t. Every platform from console to operating system has exclusives.

You are not understanding the comparison I’m making. Windows vs macOS deal with exclusives the same way PS5 vs Xbox do. That is all I’m saying. I have never changed the argument. It’s called a comparison to illustrate my point about Windows game exclusives.

My game is a windows exclusive. Again, it doesn’t matter if the $700 M1 Mac mini has more performance than an RTX 3090. It just doesn’t have the numbers to warrant my time and effort vs the 96% of Windows gamers on Steam. I’m not chasing down the remaining 4% which is also shared by Linux. It doesn’t matter what the hardware is. I have more potential sales targeting Windows. Hardware played no concern when I made my decision.

 

[vir]

Enjoy the selection.

 

[MrMacintoshIII]

Really umming and ahhing on this one

If you end up getting Windows 10 ARM on your MBP, can you please please please try to install Space Engine from Steam and see if it works? It’s currently the most hyper realistic universe simulator around but unfortunately is not for Mac.

 

[ader42]

I know it’s not what anyone is talking about but you can connect consoles to even lowly MacBook Air quite cheaply:

ShadowCast

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[marty1980]

A couple notes in my time as an engineer:

…
One thing I’ve learned working on certain large engineering projects has been: Sometimes, you can do everything in your power, and still fail.

Metal… okay. Yay. Something that is only good for Apple OSes. Why the f* would a developer use Metal unless they are specifically targeting macOS?

Unreal… again. A lot of baggage and potential roadblocks with porting to mac if you’re using unreal.

Unity… awesome for indie games. Ok for slightly bigger games. Not really used much by AAA game development.

I’m what world would people have imagined a Marvel movie, produced by Disney and including Sony-owned Spider-man?

Who would’ve thought Microsoft Azure would power PlayStation Now?

Tech deals can be made and it would benefit Microsoft a lot to partner with Apple for Dx12 .

Your personal experience is not necessarily reflective of the industry at large. However, I acknowledge your concerns.

My point is that Apple is big enough and it’s Mac business is big enough that they could make something happen. Apple just wants to do things their way. The efforts they’ve put in are minimum and remind me of Microsoft’s gaming efforts prior to recent years. (Windows Live for Gaming, anyone!?)

Will Apple step it up? Hell no. They cover their video professional crowd and that’s all they care about.

Would it be great if they did? Hell yes it would.

 

[fenderbass146]

Seriously why are people still talking about gaming on a Mac.

This is not something that Apple ever shown interest in,

Arcade shows that iOS is where Apple sees gaming on its platform.

Seriously just buy a windows machine or games console and keep the Mac for what a Mac does well. Hint gaming is not one of those things.

I get this, but I in my situation, I can only afford one pc and If I'm going to have one, I want a nice Mac. I have the base model 2019 16" and love it. In bootcamp it's on par with a 1650 so I can play pretty much every game at at least 1080p high or maybe medium settings. I am not a hardcore gamer, mostly FPS, Civ, and Cities: Skylies so I'm super happy with my choice. I would jump all over these new macs if they ever support Windows ARM in a bootcamp style method or VM support is guranteed.