If my iPhone is Jailbroken and Unlocked on the T-Mobile network, how do I get apps?

[ppc750fx]

Okay, this is the last post I am going to make in this thread, then it's going to landfill in few days.

I know a friend who works at Apple, (who develops the iPhone OS) and I asked him if I can post the so called "KILL SWITCH". He said I can post about it, AS LONG AS I DON'T POST THE ACTUAL CODE AND THE LOCATION OF THE CODE, as that would violate the NDA agreement I signed with.

So, if you keep saying that you can't trust me, and ridicule me, don't bother posting on this thread, go play hopscotch. I am done researching about the KILL SWITCH, I am going back to iPHone development. Now, GET OFF MY WAY! Or I WILL..... (don't bother replying back, I am asking the admin to lock this thread)

So let me get this straight:

Your friend works at Apple. He violated his employment contract by divulging confidential information regarding a hidden feature in a shipping product. You (apparently) signed an NDA in which you agreed not to give certain details which you obtained from an employee who violated his employment agreement.

You proceed to make several posts claiming to have some in depth knowledge of this "killswitch", but when asked for proof you suddenly remember your NDA and ask an admin to lock this thread.

Right.

Can you at least see why I'm skeptical?

I offered you a way to prove your claim. If you PM'd the information to me for verification you wouldn't really endanger your iPhone developer status (if you have it) and you'd certainly be able to lay to rest the accusations that you made it up. You haven't done so -- thus I remain skeptical.

 

[bytethese]

Okay, this is the last post I am going to make in this thread, then it's going to landfill in few days.

I know a friend who works at Apple, (who develops the iPhone OS) and I asked him if I can post the so called "KILL SWITCH". He said I can post about it, AS LONG AS I DON'T POST THE ACTUAL CODE AND THE LOCATION OF THE CODE, as that would violate the NDA agreement I signed with.

So, if you keep saying that you can't trust me, and ridicule me, don't bother posting on this thread, go play hopscotch. I am done researching about the KILL SWITCH, I am going back to iPHone development. Now, GET OFF MY WAY! Or I WILL..... (don't bother replying back, I am asking the admin to lock this thread)

I'm bothering.

Why would you ask your friend at Apple? You said this is an AT&T kill switch and not the Apple one.

How exactly do we get off your way? You are going to get off your way? Wouldn't you fall over?

Quite frankly, you could at least show us you know what you are talking about by posting SOMETHING. A link with more info, some sample code that doesn't violate this so-called section of the NDA. "Because I said so" doesn't cut it man, sorry.

Asking the mod to lock the thread because you got snagged is not cool either.

 

[ppc750fx]

alchemistmuffin just sent me a PM. The message conveyed several things to me:

1) He is somewhat shocked that I could discover information that he published elsewhere.

2)

the friend who works at Apple is a person I have known for months, he trusts me with the fact that I protect extremely sensitive data. This is why he let me go deeper into the iPhone OS code. (and besides, most of iPhone OS code is similar to Mac OS X code, so there's not much of difference, but I won't go into detail, it's boring

I REALLY want to post the code online. But if I post the code, I will be breaking the law, and also threaten the iPhone's security in any way possible. This is why I have not decided to post the KILL SWITCH code.

3) I have apparently "jeopardized his [alchemistmuffin's] living" by posting two vague pieces of publicly-available information.

Sigh. I can't help with points 1 and 3, but I suggested to alchemistmuffin that he state the filename and starting offset of the code responsible for the kill switch.

Boy, I sure hope he's not talking about the CL blacklist...

 

[Nykwil]

Had to respond to this thread cuz there's some serious FUD going on.
Ok, so you jailbreak your phone and using a different sim card, either tmobile's or some other foreign carrier. What business is it of AT&T's or any of the other authorized iPhone carriers to be snooping on another carriers network just to look for your imei. Even if you purchased apps from iTunes, apple is getting worldwide access from hundreds of carriers. What reason would they have to even killswitch you cuz you're not on a legit carrier? LOL youre not taking up AT&Ts bandwidth when your using tmobile's network to download apps. Why should they waste time trying to stop you? Quit spreading FUD.

 

[bytethese]

alchemistmuffin just sent me a PM. The message conveyed several things to me:

1) He is somewhat shocked that I could discover information that he published elsewhere.

2)

3) I have apparently "jeopardized his [alchemistmuffin's] living" by posting two vague pieces of publicly-available information.

Sigh. I can't help with points 1 and 3, but I suggested to alchemistmuffin that he state the filename and starting offset of the code responsible for the kill switch.

Boy, I sure hope he's not talking about the CL blacklist...

Dude, I got a PM too:

I WILL NEVER release the code, even if you paid me.
I think that thread, I have gone to the farthest ever in the KILL SWITCH thing.

I already nearly BROKE the special NDA I singned with Apple laywers regarding the Kill Switch. Releasing the code will get me into not just regular trouble, but becomming a criminal for releasing a trade secret.

Therefore, I WILL NOT RELEASE THE CODE, AND THAT'S ALL I AM GOING TO SAY. SERIOUSLY, IF YOU ARE GOING TO KEEP BOTHERING ME, YOU WON'T BE GETTING ANY CLOSER!

A done discussion is a DONE discussion. End of story. Now, go play a hopscotch.

Doesn't exactly install confidence in what he is talking about. he is starting to sound like the Governor from Illinois.

I wasn't asking for THE code, just a proof of concept. Something that points in the right direction without giving anything away, if that part is even true.

I too wanted to make sure folks who read this are not duped by this FUD.

 

[markgamber]

You know, it might not be too far fetched given how, these days, the US government has fat fingers in everything under the guise of protecting it's citizens against terrorism and whatnot. And they found a willing partner is AT&T before. So it wouldn't shock me to learn that AT&T put something in the iPhone so the government can have it turned off but "illegal activities" seems a little broad to me. I wouldn't mind a real answer to this.

 

[ppc750fx]

You know, it might not be too far fetched given how, these days, the US government has fat fingers in everything under the guise of protecting it's citizens against terrorism and whatnot. And they found a willing partner is AT&T before. So it wouldn't shock me to learn that AT&T put something in the iPhone so the government can have it turned off but "illegal activities" seems a little broad to me. I wouldn't mind a real answer to this.

Here's a real answer: there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that there is a "killswitch" in the iPhone software. None.

It's fun to play "what if", but as it stands there's no proof nor reason to believe that such a feature exists.

Any mobile operator can, of course, bar a specific IMEI from their network -- but that's not the same as a hidden feature that will permanently brick the phone.

 

[markgamber]

I'm still not sure. As I recall, that steaming pile of gutless paranoia the government calls the "Patriot Act" lets phone companies put kill switches in all their phones. I think the real question is what constitutes an "illegal act". Do they put a couple of kids buying weed on the same level as trying to wipe lower Manhattan off the map?

 

[alchemistmuffin]

Thank You!

Finally, someone got the reason for why I am writing about the KILL SWITCH.

For other countries, it's okay, but in the US, there's a thing called "Patriot Act" which protects America from terroism.

Under the patriot act, cell phone companies has to put in KILL SWITCH on ALL the phones, not just iPhones, but ON ALL OF THEM!

Now, SHUT UP AND LET ME GO!

 

[Tallest Skil]

Finally, someone got the reason for why I am writing about the KILL SWITCH.

For other countries, it's okay, but in the US, there's a thing called "Patriot Act" which protects America from terroism.

Under the patriot act, cell phone companies has to put in KILL SWITCH on ALL the phones, not just iPhones, but ON ALL OF THEM!

Now, SHUT UP AND LET ME GO!

Okay, okay, we'll stop chastising you.

But I don't believe it exists. And if it does, there also exists an easy way to circumvent it should our country become a dictatorship.

 

[Nykwil]

The patriot act doesn't allow for kill switches in devices like cell phones it allows for wiretapping of cellphones and devices of people who are suspected terrorists/ wrongdoers

 

[Nykwil]

Finally, someone got the reason for why I am writing about the KILL SWITCH.

For other countries, it's okay, but in the US, there's a thing called "Patriot Act" which protects America from terroism.

Under the patriot act, cell phone companies has to put in KILL SWITCH on ALL the phones, not just iPhones, but ON ALL OF THEM!

Now, SHUT UP AND LET ME GO!

Yes, you can download apps normally.

But be warned, at&t has your iPhone serial number, and if they found out you have been using on T-Mobile network, they might KILL your phone to a useless brick (which cannot be restored in any way, even with Pwnage Tool) and force you to pay the FULL price on your iPhone, which is $800, and also Early Termination Fee, which is expensive.

Don't get me started people, I know a friend who had this happen to his iPhone.

your original statement had no mention of using it in away that would violate said patriot act in order to "kill" your phone

Which again, i reiterate, att has no right to be snooping for your phone's imei on t mobile's network.

 

[avediswolf]

Here's a thing...

I am a developer, and I took A DEEPER look into 2.2 firmware, with iPhone with no cell service activation (basically an iPod touch, but still an iPhone)

What I did was jailbroken the phone (don't worry, the phone has no cell service, so at&t cannot track what I am doing), disassembled the firmware, and found a weired code. I analyzed the code, and found that the code was for at&t (not Apple) terminate the phone if found jailbroken in specific way (which I am still analyzing) to a useless, broken, unbootable brick.

I think though, this is only for 2nd gen iPhone, the iPhone 3G, so if your's a first gen iPhone, then you MIGHT be okay, but for iPhone 3G, if you use Pwnage Tool, then it might activate the code.

The code, I don't know how it exactly is activated, but it is specific to what to do if phone is Jailbroken.

OH MY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And right after I got jailbroke my iphone, I was in the ATT store.
They saw my screen. OH NO!!! I even told them how to do it....
What!??? No! My iPhone just urned off by itself!!! I used pwnage tool! Ahhhh.

Think about it...
If a phone was on ATT's network, they wouldn't want to turn it off, because they are getting money for service.
If it's not on ATT's network, um... I don't think it's possible ( or even legal ) for them to do such a thing.

Your wealth of ignorance astounds me.

 

[alchemistmuffin]

Okay, my final word...

JUST JAILBREAK IT!

JUST DO IT!

END OF STORY!