iPhone 14 Pro Max If no more real cpu and camera upgrades in 15/16/17 pro series…Are you going to buy?

[babyexercise]

OK I am using iPhone too and I just like to do analysis, here is what I find out:

-A16 has almost no improvement comparing to A15, some analysis showing regular iPhone 14 with A15 has even better heat release than A16 in 14 Pro.

-Different News has shown that cpu design has hitted its physical limit in recent generation, no clue what improvement can A17 brings to the table

-The latest camera sensor size of 14 pro/max is 1/1.28, which is larger than S22 Ultra 1/1.33. Samsung has used the same sensor for their best flagships in these two year models so they just don’t want to / cannot upgrade hardware too.

-The biggest phone sensor in market now is 1” which should be the limit with current technology. Sony and China brand phones have it:

https://www.phonearena.com/phones/c...ra,Sony-Xperia-PRO-I/phones/11767,11937,11831

Well both are much thicker than 14 Pro Max and should be because of the big sensor. I don’t think Apple would ever want to put a 1 inch sensor in Pro series because of the thickness and also the profit margin.

Look like the improvements of iPhones in coming decade can be almost purely with softwares. Then are you going to buy?

 

[ABeardedProphet]

I think it’s going to be at least every 2 years for me now. I had the 11 Pro Max before I got my 14 Pro Max. It was the first time I ever skipped iPhone years. I really don’t feel like I missed too much. But, the 14 is a really nice upgrade after 3 years.

 

[alee]

All signs are the A17 will likely be a 3nm process. That's less heat, more power efficiency, more room for more functionality on-board the SoC. Probably a few generations on 3nm and then down to even denser chips. And it keeps going below 1nm... sub-nm manufacturing will follow that.

We are not even close to the edge of what can be done with chip manufacturing. So no validity to your first 2 bullets. Apple's SoC designs are arguably the best in the world right now. As technology improves, they will certainly be a leader here for the near future.

As far as cameras, Apple (and many other manufacturers) are looking at periscope oriented camera designs, liquid lenses, etc.. Plenty more opportunity for larger sensors, better lenses, more optical range and of course just like everyone else, better AI.

And of course there are other areas for phone manufacturers to innovate beyond just camera and CPU. Right now, everyone's still doing the same 5 things in different form factors: camera, battery, phone, memory and screen. There's still a lot more that can be imagined for what a future phone could/should do. Other technology has to catch up for the world to get there, but every manufacturer is looking 5+ years into the future as well waiting for certain tech to mature.

There will be a future without an iPhone as well. Just like Apple killed the iPod in favor of the iPhone, in your lifetime, you may see a world without iPhones in favor of sophisticated wearables, implants or other yet to be imagined technology.

Think much bigger.

 

[babyexercise]

All signs are the A17 will likely be a 3nm process. That's less heat, more power efficiency, more room for more functionality on-board the SoC. Probably a few generations on 3nm and then down to even denser chips. And it keeps going below 1nm... sub-nm manufacturing will follow that.

We are not even close to the edge of what can be done with chip manufacturing. So no validity to your first 2 bullets. Apple's SoC designs are arguably the best in the world right now. As technology improves, they will certainly be a leader here for the near future.

As far as cameras, Apple (and many other manufacturers) are looking at periscope oriented camera designs, liquid lenses, etc.. Plenty more opportunity for larger sensors, better lenses, more optical range and of course just like everyone else, better AI.

And of course there are other areas for phone manufacturers to innovate beyond just camera and CPU. Right now, everyone's still doing the same 5 things in different form factors: camera, battery, phone, memory and screen. There's still a lot more that can be imagined for what a future phone could/should do. Other technology has to catch up for the world to get there, but every manufacturer is looking 5+ years into the future as well waiting for certain tech to mature.

There will be a future without an iPhone as well. Just like Apple killed the iPod in favor of the iPhone, in your lifetime, you may see a world without iPhones in favor of sophisticated wearables, implants or other yet to be imagined technology.

Think much bigger.

I have shown you evidences:

-A16 basically same as A15

-Samsung has used the same camera sensor for 2 years, Apple is even slightly ahead with very little bit bigger sensor. Very likely both will use almost the same camera sensors for years

Base on these evidences, I can only believe no real hardware improvements in years. I read tech news too, Your description is like Tesla real auto pilot is really coming soon that kind of thing but they had said it for like 10 years…

 

[alee]

I have shown you evidences:

-A16 basically same as A15

-Samsung has used the same camera sensor for 2 years, Apple is even slightly ahead with very little bit bigger sensor. Very likely both will use almost the same camera sensors for years

Base on these evidences, I can only believe no real hardware improvements in years. I read tech news too, Your description is like Tesla real auto pilot is really coming soon that kind of thing but they had said it for like 10 years…

Apple to use TSMC's next 3-nm chip tech in iPhones, Macs next year

Move will mark industry's first adoption of updated production technology

asia.nikkei.com

A16 being similar to A15 means nothing.

It's widely known that 3nm is next. We are not at the limits of semiconductor manufacturing.

 

[carbona]

At this point it’s safe to assume that there will only be incremental improvements year to year until we get someone to re-imagine and successfully implement what a new mobile communication device looks and behaves like. Until then, I’ll just be happy if Apple moves all of its mobile products to USB-C.

 

[babyexercise]

Apple to use TSMC's next 3-nm chip tech in iPhones, Macs next year

Move will mark industry's first adoption of updated production technology

asia.nikkei.com

A16 being similar to A15 means nothing.

It's widely known that 3nm is next. We are not at the limits of semiconductor manufacturing.

3nm is not really 3nm, just a fancy term to let you feel there is real improvement. We will see if TSMC could really stable massive product this with practical improvement comparing to A16. 3nm had been delayed again and again.

 

[maerz001]

The incremental iphone improvement is nothing new. Thats what apple is doing for a decade know. A different size here, a new camera there, some new charging standard or notch every 3-5 years.

But be sure they know exactly how much they put into to make hundreds of million people buy it.

 

[Sweatypalms557]

3nm is not really 3nm, just a fancy term to let you feel there is real improvement. We will see if TSMC could really stable massive product this with practical improvement comparing to A16. 3nm had been delayed again and again.

Clearly you don’t know what you are talking about. 3nm is a huge deal for power efficiency upwards of 45-50% improvement and 25% increase in performance.

 

[Jackbequickly]

I have shown you evidences:

-A16 basically same as A15

-Samsung has used the same camera sensor for 2 years, Apple is even slightly ahead with very little bit bigger sensor. Very likely both will use almost the same camera sensors for years

Base on these evidences, I can only believe no real hardware improvements in years. I read tech news too, Your description is like Tesla real auto pilot is really coming soon that kind of thing but they had said it for like 10 years…

You seem to have hatred towards Apple from reading your last posts.

 

[Sweatypalms557]

You seem to have hatred towards Apple from reading your last posts.

Based of the broken English and hate towards Apple with no evidence it’s pretty clear it’s a Huawei plant.

I mean all credibility is lost by saying A16 (4nm chip) is the same as A15 (5nm chip).

 

[MacTechnics]

Yep I upgrade every year. I like to experience the newest iPhone, regardless of how minimal the changes are 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

[Jackbequickly]

Yep I upgrade every year. I like to experience the newest iPhone, regardless of how minimal the changes are 🤷🏻‍♂️

Me too!

Apple gives me like $720 for a trade so it cut my costs in half.

 

[fatTribble]

If this is your most compelling argument against iPhones then I feel even better about buying my 14 Pro Max. I’ll definitely remain in the iPhone Upgrade Program so I can get the best Apple has to offer every year. I’m especially excited about the 3nm processors next year. From what I’ve read it sounds like we’ll get a real boost in battery life and processing power.

 

[adamgbiggs]

I’m sure this guy has a whole list at home of why he hates Apple and posts from it here everyday thinking it’ll sway us to turn on Apple and return our iPhone 14’s lol

I (among many many others) will still buy Apples latest devices year on year regardless of what you (OP) posts here.

 

[babyexercise]

Based of the broken English and hate towards Apple with no evidence it’s pretty clear it’s a Huawei plant.

I mean all credibility is lost by saying A16 (4nm chip) is the same as A15 (5nm chip).

Why Apple compare A16 to A13 instead of A15 in key note then? Lol xd

 

[The Game 161]

To be honest the next step for iphones flagships will be optical zoom. You can get amazing photos with the new iphones with 48mp pro raw. Maybe they will add better detail going forward but if you shoot in pro raw you will get amazing results so really that’s not a big step up the year after. Apple need to improve their image processing for one to match the results you can get from the pro raw.

It’s hard to justify phones each year as even with new features we will all use our phones the same way. As I said great zoom is what apple can make things more tempting going forward and for video to improve even more. I will likely upgrade each year and if we get 5-6x optical zoom the next iphone will likely be worth it for me. That said it’s hard to see where the massive improvements will come.

3mm will be a massive thing though. For battery if nothing else.

 

[eyoungren]

I will be done paying off my 11 Pro Max in March 2023. I don't plan on upgrading for about 3 years after that.

My old iPhone 5 can do what I require of a phone - I have computers/TVs and other devices for what I do not use my phone for.

So, upgrading because of specs is not and has not ever been my thing.

When I get around to upgrading then (possibly the iPhone 17/18) I will be coming from my 11PM.

So, @babyexercise, if no more cpu or camera upgrades and considering what I just told you do you think it matters to me?

 

[Andeddu]

I won’t be purchasing any frivolous high ticket item until the economy is back on track. No one knows how high inflation will go or even if this is the end of our current consumer based system. There are too many variables at the moment to consider splurging on a shiny new phone that’s only a fraction better than the iPhone 12 Mini I have right now.

Thankfully the 12 should have a minimum of 4 years of life left in it so all I require is a battery replacement which I will arrange next month and then I am good to go.

 

[fatTribble]

Why Apple compare A16 to A13 instead of A15 in key note then? Lol xd

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If you listened to the keynote they actually made the point that the newest chip from the competition cannot even beat Apple’s 3 year old chip. That’s why.

 

[Jackbequickly]

To be honest the next step for iphones flagships will be optical zoom. You can get amazing photos with the new iphones with 48mp pro raw. Maybe they will add better detail going forward but if you shoot in pro raw you will get amazing results so really that’s not a big step up the year after. Apple need to improve their image processing for one to match the results you can get from the pro raw.

It’s hard to justify phones each year as even with new features we will all use our phones the same way. As I said great zoom is what apple can make things more tempting going forward and for video to improve even more. I will likely upgrade each year and if we get 5-6x optical zoom the next iphone will likely be worth it for me. That said it’s hard to see where the massive improvements will come.

3mm will be a massive thing though. For battery if nothing else.

5-6X optical zoom will require the periscope technology to be used as the camera hump would never accommodate a telephoto at this magnification. I think it is all coming, just a few years down the road.

Until then, I plan on greatly enjoying what I have now!

 

[I7guy]

I have shown you evidences:

-A16 basically same as A15

-Samsung has used the same camera sensor for 2 years, Apple is even slightly ahead with very little bit bigger sensor. Very likely both will use almost the same camera sensors for years

Base on these evidences, I can only believe no real hardware improvements in years. I read tech news too, Your description is like Tesla real auto pilot is really coming soon that kind of thing but they had said it for like 10 years…

It may be difficult to get Moore's law at this point in time, but certainly optimization for battery life is possible along with advances for on-chip AI and ML.

Plus the new bluetooth and wifi standards are coming down the pike.

Only YOU can decide if an upgrade is worth it. MR posters can't decide for you.

 

[I7guy]

I will be done paying off my 11 Pro Max in March 2023. I don't plan on upgrading for about 3 years after that.

My old iPhone 5 can do what I require of a phone - I have computers/TVs and other devices for what I do not use my phone for.

So, upgrading because of specs is not and has not ever been my thing.

When I get around to upgrading then (possibly the iPhone 17/18) I will be coming from my 11PM.

So, @babyexercise, if no more cpu or camera upgrades and considering what I just told you do you think it matters to me?

The iphone 20 in 2027 is going to be the best iphone ever. MIght as well wait for then.

 

[babyexercise]

If you listened to the keynote they actually made the point that the newest chip from the competition cannot even beat Apple’s 3 year old chip. That’s why.

Ho yeah but the key point is A15 and A16 performances are so closed that they don't want to show in key note.

 

[Sweatypalms557]

Ho yeah but the key point is A15 and A16 performances are so closed that they don't want to show in key note.

No. They showed A13 being faster than competitions chips from this year. The key point was not comparing A15 and A16. That was just your made up fantasy in your head.