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Scottsdale seems compelled to repeatedly offer his opinion about everyone and everything. He dominates many of these threads and it just becomes 'the Scottsdale show'.
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If Panasonic can build this, the next macbook air better be freaking amazing.
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Scottsdale seems compelled to repeatedly offer his opinion about everyone and everything. He dominates many of these threads and it just becomes 'the Scottsdale show'.
Huh? It is a Panasonic, indeed. Their notebooks are made in-house in Japan (as far as that can be said for something with components from all over the world). They have always been priced higher than other manufacturers, including Apple and the ones you listed. As far as I know they are quite prestigious in Japan, but not marketed much elsewhere in the world. Their cases are made of magnesium, they claim failure rates well below other manufacturers, and in Europe (maybe globally, I don't know) the price includes a warranty against accidental damages.
Now, wether they are worth the premium is of course a different question - I guess that is where the ubiquitous car analogies come in.
But Panasonic certainly is no bargain bin brand when it comes to notebooks.Edited to add:
Also, the CF-R* series moves up one model number about once a year, so the CF-R9 has a history which predates netbooks, and they cannot be selling that badly if Panasonic has been making them all this time.
Actually, this OP called me names and implied that I was an idiot, a lesser mind than the OP, and a troll. Here the OP is pitching a Panasonic Netbook as somehow what the MBA should ASPIRE TO BE??? This is an Mac/Apple forum not a Panasonic forum, so how am I the troll?
I definitely spend more time here than I should because I am dealing with medical treatment and not working. Sometimes getting my mind off of Cancer is better than dealing with it. MR is my getaway. If I get in trouble for something I have said here, and a moderator points out what I have done so wrongly, I will be glad to take any advice received. However, I am NOT going to let an OP treat me like crap and call me names or be told how inferior I am for not accepting that the MBA should aspire to be a piece of crap Panasonic R9.
I believe your OP is the problem... and he got so worked up because NOBODY could see his vision that he removed half of his post including the original post and told me how stupid I was for not seeing the vision of a $2000 Panasonic Netbook with an Arrandale ULV CPU as being where the MBA should go next. If you go back and read the OP's replies (those which are still available anyways), you will see that the OP was way out of line and told people off when they wouldn't agree to his vision. Instead of trying to make the situation worse, I calmly replied explaining that the OP should remove his name calling and personal attacks. I believe I was at least 10x the member that the OP was here.
Okay, are we sure we aren't talking about my reply to your bashing of your wife on another thread when I pointed out how repulsive that was to publicly treat a family member like crap on a forum??? And how you're so smart and told her how stupid she was for not listening to your every word? Or how you just have to be right or correct and prove it? Or how she cost you $900 for a few spilled drops of water. And you didn't even try to solve the problem you just blamed her so you could be right.
Or, is this that you sent me a few emails calling me names and then wouldn't even let me reply to the last one as you blocked me so you could get the last word in? Again, I didn't turn you in, and your post got deleted from by a moderator because you publicly called me names... in that I didn't call you a single name, but I pointed out it was disgusting to publicly talk about your life partner so badly.
If you don't like my posts, THEN DON'T READ THEM.
At least I am man enough to take it when I send someone a PM calling them names in public and private (wait a minute, I don't do that but YOU DID THAT TO ME), and I don't block a user's PM to get the last word in. Whatever!!! You have a lot of class... you have proven it again and again.
Why don't you publicly explain how you treated me with your PMs sent to me calling me names and then that you blocked my opportunity to reply to your name calling. If we're going to be honest here, why don't you explain your actions publicly instead of calling me names in private and then coming up with a BS excuse publicly here that I assert my opinion too often or try to make it my "show" or whatever that means.
And here in this thread... the OP called me names and I was kind enough to advise the OP to remove them before getting in trouble with moderators.
I DIDN'T CALL THE OP NAMES NOR TELL THEM HOW MUCH SMARTER I WAS THAN THEM NOR ANYTHING ELSE. I don't try to make situation worse, but I do believe in speaking my mind on a public forum as that's what they're here for. I don't call people names while doing so, but I am willing to speak my mind on what I think about their opinion just like you do about my opinion... and I can be honest with myself and others as to why I challenge somebody's opinion or support somebody else's opinion or conclude my own opinion.
Huh? It is a Panasonic, indeed. Their notebooks are made in-house in Japan (as far as that can be said for something with components from all over the world). They have always been priced higher than other manufacturers, including Apple and the ones you listed. As far as I know they are quite prestigious in Japan, but not marketed much elsewhere in the world. Their cases are made of magnesium, they claim failure rates well below other manufacturers, and in Europe (maybe globally, I don't know) the price includes a warranty against accidental damages.
Now, wether they are worth the premium is of course a different question - I guess that is where the ubiquitous car analogies come in.
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Also, the CF-R* series moves up one model number about once a year, so the CF-R9 has a history which predates netbooks, and they cannot be selling that badly if Panasonic has been making them all this time.
Well, that could be. I don't believe the Panasonic brand is something I relate to as quality or nice in any way. Perhaps I am wrong there. In the US, I don't believe the Panasonic brand is accepted as a champion of technology.
There is no way in the world I would spend more money for an R9 than a Sony Vaio Z or MacBook Air. I just believe the Panasonic looks like a piece of crap. That is PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
I like the Apple industrial simplistic looks of products like the MBA. A lot of people here like the Mac notebook appearance and looks, and most people agree this Panasonic R9 LOOKS LIKE a piece of crap when comparing it to an MBA. Most people will also say that a 1.66" thick netbook has nothing to do with an MBA. And if you read the majority of the replies here, most people find it disgusting to refer to this R9 as where the MBA should be going or what the MBA should aspire to be.
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FINALLY, a few words to all. Aren't we all here to share our opinions about current and upcoming Apple products, rumors, ideas, thoughts, and reports? When sharing our opinions, often we disagree. Sometimes it leads to a heated debate, and other times it leads to agreement. Many times, people will call people names, add personal jabs, attack others, or feel humiliated when others don't agree with every word that comes out of their mouth. That is all human nature and normal reactions from some people whether we like it or not.
However, if we cannot disagree and challenge each other's ideas and opinions, what is the point of this forum? Wouldn't we all just read a magazine if we just wanted to read one person's point of a subject and be done with it? We're here to share our opinions and read the opinions of others. We are going to disagree, and some people are going to take it personal whether it's intended to be personal or not. When people don't agree with my posts and publicly reply, I passionately debate back because that's how I look at the forums, as a PLACE FOR PUBLIC DEBATE. I am not here to attack others or call them names, but I do call things as I see them and sometimes it's in reply to something that's not an Apple topic (like how someone talks about other people or calls people names or whatever). I am not here to put down other people, but I am going to speak my mind and sometimes other people aren't going to like it. I don't ask anyone else to stop speaking their mind, and I don't expect people to ask me to not speak my mind. We all have a choice... we don't have to spend our time on these forums BUT WE CHOOSE TO SPEND OUR TIME HERE ANYWAYS!
Some people are here to read the views of others, some people are here to share their views, and other people are here to attack others and cause controversy. I am not here to attack anyone. I reply to the rumors, facts, experiences, thoughts and ideas I see others post. I am not here to agree with every word every member types. If people cannot accept others criticizing their opinions and ideas, they genuinely aren't ever going to be happy sharing here, because everything we write here is criticized by all of the members. This is just the way these forums work. If we say something personal and others don't agree with it, they're going to reply whether it's about an Apple product or not.
Cannot we all just understand this is human nature? Now, LET'S DEBATE! I am eager to read some new rumors about the MBA... anyone got any?
A ROUND trackpad? Seriously?
Well a round trackpad makes sense...
...but then only if you have a round screen!
If someone speaks the truth about you and you have no reply, "LOL." That's just the truth of this situation. Whether you're sending me PMs calling me names, having your posts edited by moderators for calling me names, blocking my PM replies after telling me off in your PMs, or +1'ing everyone who puts me down, it's all the same to me. I am going to be me, and refuse to let negative people get me down. As long as these forums are here, I will be replying with MY OWN opinions whether you like them or hate them. And I refuse to call you names or resort to your methodology of attack. Until you're a moderator here, you'll have no control over my posts.
My method of attack? Your method is to flood these boards with your lomg winded posts since posting on macrumors is apparently all you do in life.
Long time reader of Macrumors, first time poster - because I have to ask: Is this some kind of spat between lovers here or what? Seriously guys, get a room!
who let this troll in the door?
It isn't that it's just a Panasonic. There is a competitor to the MBA thread already, and people can talk about the differences there. This poster created a new thread based on a 1.66" thick netbook, and then had the gall to say the next MBA should be what this thing is. In addition, it's fugly, has a 10" display, and an ultra low voltage CPU.
The MBA is a real MB with a low voltage CPU and an Arrandale replacement with a Core i7 low voltage is the Core i7-60LM at 2+ GHz with boost to 2.8 and 2.93 GHz. The ultra low voltage is not the direct replacement for the MBA's SL9x00 CPU, because it's a low voltage CPU.
Where the user, and original poster, really goes wrong is deleting his original post and other posts after calling people names or telling them they're not smart because they cannot see his "VISION."
It isn't like we're comparing a Sony Vaio Z here to the MBA, this is a $2k netbook that has no business replacing an MBA and definitely is "TROLL LIKE" to create a new thread at MAC RUMORS in the MBA section. People find it troll-ish to compare the MBA to a netbook, but to do it in the MBA's own section at a Mac fan site is ridiculous.
Drive by posting, but this is nowhere near troll like, to my mind. The OP deleting posts is a bit iffy, but considering how some people jumped down his throat, I can perfectly understand his (her?) reaction.
Claiming that it is somehow wrong to compare a MBA to a panasonic is just silly and immature, in my opinion.
Dont disagree with Scottsdale. His sig is telling: In his own fantasy mind, he's 'Einstein' and anyone who dare cross him must simply be a 'Mediocre mind'.
It's annoying; those people who think they know everything disgust those of us who really do.
Hmm. I wouldn't go that far. I would never presume to know more that the mighty Scottsdale.
I believe this thread has ended its useful life so please lock it before it degrades into more name calling
I believe you have miscalculated me and the quote...
Did you not even read the quote in my signature? It somehow seems you just came up with a conclusion using a couple of the words from the quote and your preconceived hatred of someone who is willing to publicly challenge your own words.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
This quote comes from a letter, written to a professor at City College of New York, that is expressively championing Bertrand Russell as a fine candidate to teach at the College. Some believed that Russell's book, Marriage and Morals, meant that his mind was unfit to teach at the college. Russell was a fine specimen of a free thinker, but his book caused debate about his morals which ended acceptance from others. Here was a man who ultimately won a Nobel Prize as a free thinker, but who couldn't teach at a college because his free thought led to others feeling threatened by this man's assertion that we can all think for ourselves, and we don't have to accept the commonly held beliefs.
There actually is more to the paragraph and the entire quote is...
This quote has NOTHING to do with one feeling superior over another person in any way. I believe it sends a completely different message, and anyone can see it by just reading it within its original context.
I believe the quote means that some people are always going to challenge a viewpoint different than the accepted norm within their belief set. And when the commonly accepted viewpoint is challenged, we should praise the person willing to challenge a belief just for the point of free thinking. Beyond that, we should all freely think about the alternative side of a debate and consider whether our original commonly held viewpoints were correct or if the "new" viewpoint might have some credibility and could ultimately lead to a better understanding of the TRUTH.
However, Einstein is saying that those who follow the commonly accepted viewpoints will create conflict and strike out against anyone who is willing to express freedom of thought. Those willing to create chaos often blame the free thinker, but the real impede to progress and knowledge is the inability for the "mediocre mind" to be willing to even think freely for himself/herself.
Now, I am disgusted that someone would come to the conclusion that I think I am better than anyone else. I certainly have NEVER stated such, and I don't believe including an Einstein quote in one's signature alludes to any superiority over others.
I would kindly appreciate an apology for your publicly and privately calling me names, but I will settle with you never replying about me on these forums ever again.
For the truth will set you free... Best Wishes on your path to enlightenment.
Did you not even read the quote in my signature? It somehow seems you just came up with a conclusion using a couple of the words from the quote and your preconceived hatred of someone who is willing to publicly challenge your own words.
"Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds." - Albert Einstein
This quote comes from a letter, written to a professor at City College of New York, that is expressively championing Bertrand Russell as a fine candidate to teach at the College. Some believed that Russell's book, Marriage and Morals, meant that his mind was unfit to teach at the college. Russell was a fine specimen of a free thinker, but his book caused debate about his morals which ended acceptance from others. Here was a man who ultimately won a Nobel Prize as a free thinker, but who couldn't teach at a college because his free thought led to others feeling threatened by this man's assertion that we can all think for ourselves, and we don't have to accept the commonly held beliefs.
There actually is more to the paragraph and the entire quote is...
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. The mediocre mind is incapable of understanding the man who refuses to bow blindly to conventional prejudices and chooses instead to express his opinions courageously and honestly.
This quote has NOTHING to do with one feeling superior over another person in any way. I believe it sends a completely different message, and anyone can see it by just reading it within its original context.
I believe the quote means that some people are always going to challenge a viewpoint different than the accepted norm within their belief set. And when the commonly accepted viewpoint is challenged, we should praise the person willing to challenge a belief just for the point of free thinking. Beyond that, we should all freely think about the alternative side of a debate and consider whether our original commonly held viewpoints were correct or if the "new" viewpoint might have some credibility and could ultimately lead to a better understanding of the TRUTH.
However, Einstein is saying that those who follow the commonly accepted viewpoints will create conflict and strike out against anyone who is willing to express freedom of thought. Those willing to create chaos often blame the free thinker, but the real impede to progress and knowledge is the inability for the "mediocre mind" to be willing to even think freely for himself/herself.
Now, I am disgusted that someone would come to the conclusion that I think I am better than anyone else. I certainly have NEVER stated such, and I don't believe including an Einstein quote in one's signature alludes to any superiority over others.
I would kindly appreciate an apology for your publicly and privately calling me names, but I will settle with you never replying about me on these forums ever again.
For the truth will set you free... Best Wishes on your path to enlightenment.
You better keep Einstein out of this debate. You are biased... SSD
Actually, I was defending myself after these three posts...
I am a huge Einstein fan, and I am not going to allow people to assume that I think I am better than someone else by misinterpreting one of my favorite Einstein quotes.
Quite frankly, I have taken no part in the name calling that others have started, but I do intend to defend myself when people go further than calling me names and somehow misinterpret a quote and blatantly state that I think I am better than other people.
The bottom line is I am here to have fun, and share ideas and rumors about Apple products and more specifically the MBA. I am not here to name call, but I do reply to posts where people bring up other topics, and that's where this all started with Robeddie. And the ironic thing was the very person, that accused me of being better than "mediocre minds" (or other people here), started this whole thing when he said he was smarter than someone, and he told that someone that they had better not do something or their Mac would be broken, and when that item was broken he publicly blamed the person and said how the person cost him money, and he didn't even assert that he tried to fix the problem because more than anything he wanted to be correct and prove a point... now maybe this is more of self reflection than anything else. Most of the time people accuse others of "thinking" a certain way it's their thinking that is obvious and not the accused.
The bottom line is people, like our OP here, shouldn't take disputing of ideas written here as a personal attack, ever... several people challenged the OP, and the OP got fed up and called people names and went back and erased half of his posts. The OP was mad that people in a Mac forum, in the MBA section, wouldn't follow along with his idea that the MBA should be like this Panasonic R9. This was NEVER a Personal Attack on the OP. People simply don't like the MBA being referred to or implied as a netbook. People don't want to think the MBA is going to go backwards to an ultra low voltage CPU. People don't think a 1.66" thick netbook is where the MBA should look for design or features. Apple fans simply don't like it and feel they need to defend Apple's products when someone belittles their favorite Apple products.
So when someone doesn't agree with your ideas, it's not rational to go ballistic, call people names, and just delete your original post and others... and that's exactly where this OP took this thread. It is ashamed because it was NEVER a personal attack against the OP. People just didn't agree with the OP's thread and posts... it's that SIMPLE.
So it's sad it has come to this, and we should all just move on. The OP was NEVER treated badly... this is essentially politics. We all have opinions, and they're often going to be different. Stating that we don't agree and don't want the MBA to go in the direction the OP hopes for isn't treating him badly... it's disagreeing with his idea. If he wanted people to agree, he could have rationally kept making arguments without calling people names and without deleting his posts and without publicly going ballistic on everyone who didn't agree with him. Furthermore, he ruined the whole thread posted here for debate... DEBATE! That is what this place is, a debate forum for APPLE fans. Cannot we all just get along and agree to disagree when we don't agree? It doesn't need to come down to name calling.
Children, children. Let me offer my advice.
Robeddie: Let it go. You don't like Scottsdale, you've made you're point. I'm sure there are a few others here who don't care for him either. But your behavior is just childish. Go sit in the corner.
Scottsdale:: A harder case. You're like the little boy in class who keeps talking and talking .... and talking. At first it's amusing but eventually you get under people's skin. All I can say to you is this whole thing has made both Robeddie AND you look very very childish.
I'm tired of the both of you.
Robeddie: Let it go. You don't like Scottsdale, you've made you're point. I'm sure there are a few others here who don't care for him either. But your behavior is just childish. Go sit in the corner.
Scottsdale:: A harder case. You're like the little boy in class who keeps talking and talking .... and talking. At first it's amusing but eventually you get under people's skin. All I can say to you is this whole thing has made both Robeddie AND you look very very childish.
I'm tired of the both of you.
i was browing the web and just replying for the sake of it since theres so much retarded stuff in this thread.
- I own a CF-R3, this sports a 1.1ghz pentium-m ULV, 768megs of ram, 128G 7200 tr/m hdd and 855GM intel graphics
It has the same design as the CF-R9 of course (well, nearly).
This computer is a blast. I bought it 6 years ago and it still performs extremely well. It is very, very, very robust. Good luck breaking one of these.
It is very very very portable. So light. The MBA Looks like a big laptop in comparison. The R series are not bulky at all. If you thought the MBA is portable... thing again. The R series are very powerful and the size of an atom netbook. That's why they cost so much!
The design is a question of taste, those are very well known in japan and people like them. Personally, i like the MBA design, yet i like the R series just as much.
Now onto the technical details. The ULV pentium CPUs are the smallest and most power efficient CPUs intel makes. This means they're WAY more efficient and SMALLER than the "big" "regular" CPU of the MBA.
It means also it is slower, for the same generation of CPUs.
Arguably, the core i7 640UM is faster than the current MBA, as they made very good progress. However, the integrated graphics are not good. They're better than previous intel graphics by a large margin but still sucks compared to a real graphic card like the ones provided by nvidia
ps: heres some real drawback of the R series actually:
- the shutting door of the ethernet port looks cheap (it wont break, but looks like crap)
- the integrated speaker is horrible - low sound and bad quality
- the in/out audio ports are pretty cheap - there's static noise coming in/out from it (not a lot, but still)
and finally "if panasonic can build this blabla"... panasonic did these laptops 8 years ago, so apple is very very late to the game, if they ever release such a laptop (they're very "niche market" laptops anyway)
- I own a CF-R3, this sports a 1.1ghz pentium-m ULV, 768megs of ram, 128G 7200 tr/m hdd and 855GM intel graphics
It has the same design as the CF-R9 of course (well, nearly).
This computer is a blast. I bought it 6 years ago and it still performs extremely well. It is very, very, very robust. Good luck breaking one of these.
It is very very very portable. So light. The MBA Looks like a big laptop in comparison. The R series are not bulky at all. If you thought the MBA is portable... thing again. The R series are very powerful and the size of an atom netbook. That's why they cost so much!
The design is a question of taste, those are very well known in japan and people like them. Personally, i like the MBA design, yet i like the R series just as much.
Now onto the technical details. The ULV pentium CPUs are the smallest and most power efficient CPUs intel makes. This means they're WAY more efficient and SMALLER than the "big" "regular" CPU of the MBA.
It means also it is slower, for the same generation of CPUs.
Arguably, the core i7 640UM is faster than the current MBA, as they made very good progress. However, the integrated graphics are not good. They're better than previous intel graphics by a large margin but still sucks compared to a real graphic card like the ones provided by nvidia
ps: heres some real drawback of the R series actually:
- the shutting door of the ethernet port looks cheap (it wont break, but looks like crap)
- the integrated speaker is horrible - low sound and bad quality
- the in/out audio ports are pretty cheap - there's static noise coming in/out from it (not a lot, but still)
and finally "if panasonic can build this blabla"... panasonic did these laptops 8 years ago, so apple is very very late to the game, if they ever release such a laptop (they're very "niche market" laptops anyway)