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The only reason I ever wanted a mac was because of OS X...and the G4 Cube.

But now that I have learned so much about apple etc. I now know this is because of steve, and if he ever left, so would I.

OS X is an amazing piece of software, but remember what happened when steve left the first time...If there was no steve jobs, there would have been no NeXT, no Web Objects, no OS X, no iApps, no iLife, no FCP, no cool little cleavage speakers...he is basically the single most important reason for Apple's success.

Well, him and Avie Tavenien.

But yea, if I didn't know about OS X, I would still have been cutting my fingers on crappy aluminum PC cases trying to figure out what just "went wrong" with my computer, and cursing at it for cutting me!!
 
I'm allways using sys 9.

I'm not a friend of OSX for several reasons. Just to tell you a big one.

I'm a VJ and with OSX I can not overscan the screen with the 2nd video out put. If I'm goint to project somethin with OSX I would have to deal with the black border around my animations.

Another reason is that most audio aplications still in OS9.

I can not make the transition yet and I'm not in a rush for it.

I know my system and I have it under control, to jump in to OSX would be a shock that I'm not ansious to take.

BTW, OSX still no a big deal for me.
 
I'm here because of OSX

At work, I always used os9 and wasn't a huge fan because of the crashing and slowness of multi-tasking. When OSX came out, I was intrested. I used it and love it. I then bought an iBook to replace my gateway desktop. It sits in the corner, cords wrapped up, collecting dust.
 
i kind of agree with john123... kinda. see, os 9 is pretty sweet when it comes to music - for the last few years it's been the only real system you could use to use for 'experimental' music, with max/msp and supercollider both being os 9 only (granted you have pd, audiomulch, etc. etc. for other platforms, but i'd argue max and supercollider were/are the best featured). on top of that, os 9 is supereasy to customize for audio work, and it's a very light operating system - meaning for live laptop use it's responsive and fast, two key issues for a decent musical interface.

application-wise, os x isn't quite there yet, though it soon will be, with max/msp for os x coming soon and other pretty exciting unix-flavored musical programs too (supercollider 3 with client/server command line interface - pretty sweet!). but i'm not totally sold on os x as a musical interface. os x is still too slow for the kind of quick responsive interaction you need for live music creation IMHO. i'm sure this isn't a problem if you have a new g4 12/15/17 whatever but who has the money for that? especially when os 9 is a speed demon on just about any g3 you can throw at it...

I agree totally.

You should read some of the stories on the Digidesign User Conference about how slowly PT 6.0 runs in OS X unless you've got 1Gb of RAM and a mac with AGP graphics. We're talking completely unusable on a yikes G4 with 640Mb. B & W G3s and upgraded beige G3s with similar amounts of RAM that could all run plenty of tracks with a modest amount of plug-ins under OS 9 arn't having any luck at all.

It's all apple's fault for making that stupidly bloated interface. who care's if it's unix based and way more stable than OS 9, the sheer bloat of the interface gets in the way of any advantage OS X has over OS 9 unless you've got a fast mac. Even the dual models that DO perform well with it must be getting one of the cpus hammered by quartz just to keep it all running smoothly.

I'm getting an upgrade for my mac and waiting a while before I switch to OS X for audio. It just seems too bloated to me. I'd guess running OS X on a pre sawtooth powermac would be like trying to run XP or windows 2000 on a 450Mhz Pentium 2.

I actually came to the mac from the atari, we had PCs in school that ran either DOS, GEM or windows 3.0. I thought the mac I used on work experience was far more logical and friendly than windows but it was like GEM on my atari except it had these little help balloons and the cool little word processor (Quark, I was only 14) was better than word. I started using macs fulltime at work in around '95 and after a few years of wondering if I should by this or that akai sampler or whatever, I bought a beige G3. It's done me well for quite a while but I feel kind of cheated on how un supported it is in OS X. It's not enough to run the OS, it's the software I bought it for as much as anything.

I'm staying in 9 for everything till I can afford a better model of mac. OS X seems to be only half ready for what I want to do because of the software not being out for it yet. Also, there's so many mac like things missing, labels, aliases that actually work 100% of the time, the 2 MAJOR issues I have with it is the bloat of the interface/the speed and the all important thing that's always set the mac apart from the dormant windows OS. Metadata!!! I want type/creator codes in native OS X software just like in OS 9. I don't want to have all my .html files open in Safari or something or all my .aif files opening with Quicktime. I want them to open with whatever I made them in. I don't want file extensions to be necessary, I want to use them as a visual aid like I do in OS 9. Infact the only time I bother with extensions in OS 9 is if it's something that's going to be online.

Talking of supercollider, can you recommend a good book on it ?

Something easy to follow like the client and reference guides you can get for Javascript. I'd love to make some stuff with supercollider, I've been and got some online tutorials in both PDF and html format with plenty of examples but I need more help learning the language.

Thanks if you can help with this. I love some of the music I've heard it used on 'Running Down The Way Up' - BT, 'Finished Symphony (echoplex mix)' - Hybrid. for example.
 
Originally posted by john123
Regarding the core, I don't see what else is "gained." Well, not for me anyway. I don't run an Apache server on my Mac. I'm like most users -- I do the usual productivity apps with some leisure work. I can see the huge advantage of UNIX in a networking environment, and for sys admins and net admins, it's probably great. But for folks like me, who buy new Macs because we love speed, 9 and the latest and greatest hardware is a dream.

And yes, I know how to adjust antialiasing. That doesn't change anything in the menubar, however. It also doesn't affect global settings a lot of the time -- you need something like TinkerTool to do that. And TinkerTool just doesn't get it "right" -- it mushes letters together, unlike 9 where they are spaced correctly. And yes, I've tried changing the menubar and other fonts with Silk, and no, it doesn't make a difference to me.
You definately sound like an old school MAC user, "I want it to work, I don't care how it works, In fact I don't want to know how it works." Which you know really isn't that big of a deal for you, like you said it did what you wanted. Comin from my vantage point of supporting systems, I HATE 9. I work for an ISP and I have to give phone support, which is horrid to do with an OS 9 machine. Everything is over simplified. With OS X support calls are much easier. It's the same story in my helpdesk position at my college. However, I can see your point of your apps worked how you wanted them to, and you were happy. And I think you see my point as well. I have a feeling you and I will probbaly have some good convos as the future as I melt into the mac world:cool:
 
Originally posted by leprechaunG4
You definately sound like an old school MAC user, "I want it to work, I don't care how it works, In fact I don't want to know how it works." Which you know really isn't that big of a deal for you, like you said it did what you wanted. Comin from my vantage point of supporting systems, I HATE 9. I work for an ISP and I have to give phone support, which is horrid to do with an OS 9 machine. Everything is over simplified. With OS X support calls are much easier. It's the same story in my helpdesk position at my college. However, I can see your point of your apps worked how you wanted them to, and you were happy. And I think you see my point as well. I have a feeling you and I will probbaly have some good convos as the future as I melt into the mac world:cool:

I worked in computing support in college. Lead tech, actually. You know, I don't think I ever found a problem in 9 that I couldn't fix, one way or another. Granted, I avoided doing phone support...if the problem didn't lend itself to a quick solution, I made house calls. Let's face it...it would take me 5 minutes to do what you and I might do together for an hour.

In OS 9, yes I want it to work, and I do know how it works. I understand 9 inside out pretty much, and that global understanding may be part of the reason why I have few problems. I run a relatively lean system with relatively few third party extensions and control panels, and I multitask a lot without many crashes. Heck, I have 9 apps open right now and could add even more and would still be fine.

I guess you hit the nail on the head -- that I am an old school Mac user. To be totally honest, I enjoy using Windows 2000 more than OS X. That makes me cringe to say it...but it's true. :(
 
I think I would be running Windows XP and Linux by now on very carefully selected hardware.

Judging from the current hardware and Mac OS 9.x and it's various pains, there's no way I would continue that path.

There were Atari 8-bit machines, Atari 16/32-bit (680x0), a lame IBM 386sx laptop that bit the dust, and a few Macs and one Mac clone.

Those Amigas are looking good. :)
 
OS 9's OK.

OS 9's alright. I've been using Macs system system 7.0, so I'm pretty used to that kind of system.

Yeah, I'd still be a Mac user with OS 9, just not nearly as happy a Mac user.
 
Ahhh what a great topic.

I bought my first mac (for web design) when the choice was win 3.1 or OS 7 (or was it 8 - can't really remember). The choice was obvious - the mac won.

Then win 95 came out (still sucked but not as bad as 3.1) so the mac still won. Eventually got my own linux server and began to speek command line.

Along comes win 98 then ME then XP and somewhere in ther OS X (a dream come true for a Linux/Mac user). Let me say after using 10.2 it makes OS 9 look soooooo baad. I would choose even ME over OS 9. I have even removed classic from my mac and hope to God to never see it again.

So yes thank the good Lord whats his name bought Next and Steve and Steve took control and gave us OS X. Since then I obsess about Apple hardware and read rumor sites all day long. I wish I could install X on any home made box like I do with Linux. Oh well
 
OT: supercollider

>Talking of supercollider, can you recommend a good book on it ?

Frustratingly, there's a lack of good resources on SC. The best book (as far as completeness) was written by Stephen Pope, but it covers only SC1, so it's obsolete. There's a pretty good tutorial in pdf form at www.byu.edu/music/labs/ems/287/SCManual.pdf and there's a tutorial by Alberto de Campo that comes with the SC download. There's also a pdf somewhere online of James McCartney's original docs for the program (they're also included with SC as SC files, but having them in PDF is nice too!) Hope some of that helps...


Actually as an aside - somebody mentioned quite liking XP. I have to say I'm sort of in the same boat - I was messing around on a friend's computer with XP installed and was quite impressed at how fast it was. So I checked the processor speed - Celeron 600Mhz!! I was pretty amazed. And to be even more heretical - now that Max/MSP is about to release a windows version I'm even thinking of jumping ship to the PC world. For $1200 (plus the cost of switching platforms for Max, which I'm guessing will be $100 or so) I could nab a top of the line laptop PC with 3 year warranty. Looks kinda nice compared to $2800 for the 1ghz tibook g4... plus you could dualboot with linux and get pd...

best,
np
 
I had to go to the dark side, real estate stuff only runs on it and VPC was too slow (still is). OS X was too alluring not to want to use it. I need to get VPC 6 to run my real estate apps faster, there must be a hack or maybe now that MS owns it, it will get a boost. I don't want to go back, but to run my business, I have to have reasonable performance. I may just keep a PC around to do just that, wastes desk space, though.
 
I've been waiting for X since they promised me Copland/Rhapsody back in '96/'97.
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I'm with Gus, I had been reading about the new OS for a long time and I supported OS X from the release of the beta. In the beginning I wasn't too excited because of the restrictions and speed of the OS, but soon a lot of those problems were fixed. Also, when I first upgraded to X, I spent more time in 9 than in X. Now, I very rarely go back to 9. I still would have had a Mac if there was no OS X. Macs have been in my family since the 80's, so it would be hard to part with them. My favorite OS of all besides Jaguar was 8.6. I would have been happy with that. I just hope that OS X will be able to compete with the new OS that Microsoft is apparently developing.
 
I switched because of OS X. I got my mac in Jan of 2001, two months later i was at my local apple retailer at 1 am for my copy of os 10.0

i do hop over to os 9 once in a while for audio apps and i hate it. it is like going back in time, even though i never really used 9. it just looks like crap in my opinion.
 
Originally posted by barkmonster
I'm getting an upgrade for my mac and waiting a while before I switch to OS X for audio. It just seems too bloated to me. I'd guess running OS X on a pre sawtooth powermac would be like trying to run XP or windows 2000 on a 450Mhz Pentium 2.

Metadata!!! I want type/creator codes in native OS X software just like in OS 9. I don't want to have all my .html files open in Safari or something or all my .aif files opening with Quicktime. I want them to open with whatever I made them in. I don't want file extensions to be necessary, I want to use them as a visual aid like I do in OS 9. Infact the only time I bother with extensions in OS 9 is if it's something that's going to be online.

1: i ran XP Pro on a Celeron 333A w/768MB PC66 and a 4GB ATA66 Fujitsu. it ran as fast as some Pentium 3 processors at 733 did.

2: type/creator does exist in OSX. go into Cmd-I and then you go to open with, then select your program. dont click apply to all and voilá.
 
Would I make the dark sided move to Windows?

NO!

When I saw my first iMac in 1999? The Indigo one, I was 13 and saved up for a hell of a long time just from the look of them, I thought they were so cool! I had that for one year, running OS 9, and in 2000 I bought OS X straight away, even though I knew from the first build of it, it wasn't as well built as I wanted it, but time moved on, and so did Apple... I then bought an iBook, the Airport, then the new iMac flat panel, an iPod, and Now I have my PowerMac and 20" Display, all at 16years old! I don't think I would ever make the move back to Windows, only because I know what Apple are capable of bringing out! Although Mac OS X is the operating system to have, Mac os 9 is still... a Mac OS! It isn't Windoze...

Unless there were Macs that run Windows OS on them, then maybe I would consider moving to Windows... But im just hoping that day doesn't come... Instead im hoping Microsoft go out of Buisiness and let the professionals do the work (Apple of course)...

;)
 
OSX fans!

Is it me, or is this the most pro-OSX site on the web??? It is like a breath of fresh air.

I AM SICK OF ALL THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SCARED TO TRY SOMETHING NEW KNOCKING IT. QUIT WHINING ABOUT PRINTER SUPPORT AND SEE WHAT JAGUAR HAS TO OFFER.

I use OS9 at school, and it was good in its day, but computers are a technology that is ever-changing and constantly evolving. OSX was due. Especially when Apple is the design platform of choice, it needed an OS that was pretty AND effective.

BTW: I am not raving about 10.1.5. Kudos to Apple for finding what wasn't so great and making OSX JAGUAR the purring cat that it is.
 
I would certainly NOT be using a Mac without OS X. A brief history...

My very first computer was an Apple II. I owned a Mac IIcx way back when for music. I then migrated to PC's for the next several years. After using many different UNIX platforms at work, I bought a NeXT in 1991. I sold it when NeXT got out of the hardware business, and went back to PC's. I bought a G4 iMac last year to "kick the tires" on OS X, since it was the evolution of NeXTSTEP.

Wow - I sold the iMac 2 weeks ago to a colleague at work (who is enthralled with OS X) and bought a Power Mac. I am off the PC except for ripping CD's (there is no ripping SW for the Mac that does jitter correction like Exact Audio Copy). My DP Power Mac with OS X is everything, and then some, that I wanted when I had the NeXT.

For a UNIX hack, former NeXT owner, software architect & Java developer, OS X feels like home.
 
My first machine was an AppleIIe. I never used a PeeCee. OS X or not, I'd never use another computer. Just like I'd never buy any stereo except B&O, or any car except a Volvo. To me, it's mainly the look and feel of the machine, the design, the thoughtfulness, the ease of use, the cleanliness, the desire to continually advance the technology without making it look like another piece of crap. Which is what all the above companies do for me, and what all of them have at their hearts.

But I'll admit, OS X just puts the icing on the cake. And I'm thrilled that the operating system brought so many users over, as well.:)
 
i bought my quicksilver to run pro-tools... i realize i could do this on a pc, but i always heard that the mac was the place for multimedia, i even chatted it up with the guys from gODHEAD about there programming and stuff [industrial type band for any of you who dont know] and they said to go with a g4 and never look back... so after a little saving and a little luck i got my first mac... up until now protools couldnt run in ten or even classic so i had no choice but to use nine... its a little ancient looking, but it runs like a champ and has never crashed on me... so yes i would use a mac even without os x... i hate having to even turn on my windoze box... but we dont have sim city 4 on the mac, so thats my dilema...
 
About a year ago I was dying to have a brand new pc, with all this sh-t, but then I went to a compusa and tried OS X and imediatly I knew I needed a mac. I have since made the switch, but I still hate OS 9 and would not be sitting here at my 17" widescreen iMac typing now without OS X.
 
Switched because of OS X

I've been eyeing Macs for about 10 years now. Always wanted one but was scared of the lack of compatibility with the rest of the world. Finally, after suffering through DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows 95 and Windows 98, i had enough.

I wanted to jump to a more stable platform. But, I just didn't have the time to learn Linux. OS X is the perfect OS, IMO. Built on a stable UNIX platform. But, with a beautiful, simple interface to hide all the stuff I don't have time to learn. I can't believe no one's been smart enough to do the same thing with Linux for the PC.

OS X is the ONLY reason I'm on my two week old 17" iMac. Finally, there's an OS that allowed me to break free of Microsoft. Now, if I could just find a decent Office Suite for this thing, I'd be really be in heaven.

Peace,
Brian
 
Microsoft Office

Originally posted by Fukui
Try Microsoft Office....

I'm trying to avoid buying Microsoft products. They are expensive. I don't want to fund their empire any more than I have to (that's a major reason I bought a Mac). And, their software is bloatware.

I'm checking out a few Office alternatives.

Thanks,
Brian
 
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