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I think they're did a lot of back room work.
It's quit easy to re-do web pages that won't be up for a few days and keep them from being seen until the time to publish them.
Perhaps a WWDC announcement sometime next week.
Kids, kids! Don't make me put you all in time out. I just thought it was a scrap we could chew on. Don't go postal on me.
The fact that from the words PRO MARKETPLACE - you managed to make up an entire theory of a new MacPro.
That could mean anything. Could mean they are finally upgrading all the pro-software. It could mean anything. Could be the MacBookPro's are geting a bump.
You can get more of an idea about the possible next MacPro from the the recent releases from both GPU vendors. It's going to be the same size, with nothing more than a standard spec jump. It'll only seem like such a vast improvement because they have done nothing for 3 years.
Yeah, totally. My pal dose the internet/intranet programming for Mitsubishi (which is massive and a half) and the entire site or any individual section/page can be switched in or out or replaced with newer/older versions with a single DataBase command. So the entire Apple site including all developer documents, and support forum pages could be changed in the blink of an eye transparent to readers.
Assuming Apple is as smart as my pal that is.
Typically sites "go down" for server maintenance (site backup, hardware upgrades, and so on) although these days even that reflects a pretty retarded design. Server side, there is no reason a site should ever have to go off-line - ever, for any length of time.
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Mmmm, you're reading me a little wrong. In one case there was 17 threads that I just briefly counted by topic (if I look inside threads where it just diverted over to that or look back in the listings farther than just 2 pages, I'm sure it's more like 100) which were dream casting. Just people making up specs on a whim - and then arguing over them for whatever reasons. That's confusing to a lot of people and it wastes a lot of everyone's time. So I said something about that.
The actual rumors that did happen which were basically nothing more than "we will see a new MP model in 2013" I don't doubt. I give them about an 80% credibility/probability rating myself. I label them appropriately however - as being "rumor" and 2013 MP being vaporware till released, and etc.
In the other case here in this thread we have yet another rumor basically saying: "We will see some MP specs in WWDC 2013". And I give it about the same credibility/probability rating as well. Now if there becomes 20 to 100 different threads dream-casting about what's going to be on the slide I'll probably say something about that too.
See the difference?
The actual rumors that did happen which were basically nothing more than "we will see a new MP model in 2013" I don't doubt. I give them about an 80% credibility/probability rating myself. I label them appropriately however - as being "rumor" and 2013 MP being vaporware till released, and etc.
In the other case here in this thread we have yet another rumor basically saying: "We will see some MP specs in WWDC 2013". And I give it about the same credibility/probability rating as well. Now if there becomes 20 to 100 different threads dream-casting about what's going to be on the slide I'll probably say something about that too.
See the difference?
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Take a break - give us a break.
Mmmm, you're reading me a little wrong. In one case there was 17 threads that I just briefly counted by topic (if I look inside threads where it just diverted over to that or look back in the listings farther than just 2 pages, I'm sure it's more like 100) which were dream casting. Just people making up specs on a whim - and then arguing over them for whatever reasons. That's confusing to a lot of people and it wastes a lot of everyone's time. So I said something about that.
The actual rumors that did happen which were basically nothing more than "we will see a new MP model in 2013" I don't doubt. I give them about an 80% credibility/probability rating myself. I label them appropriately however - as being "rumor" and 2013 MP being vaporware till released, and etc.
In the other case here in this thread we have yet another rumor basically saying: "We will see some MP specs in WWDC 2013". And I give it about the same credibility/probability rating as well. Now if there becomes 20 to 100 different threads dream-casting about what's going to be on the slide I'll probably say something about that too.
See the difference?
I don't need to look up those words, as I am perfectly competent to communicate in english and I don't have to pick sides if I am having fun speculating. Later this afternoon I plan to glean some news about the new Mac Pros from the pattern of bubbles inside a beer glass. I'll share what I find out if there is any new news.
My beer glass told me that all becomes clear by the end of the year. And that we needed more beer. (NBC Paddywhack IPA for anyone who cares...)
And I agree with Tesselator, this is a weird site - though I happen to think it's fun speculating about products that will may never appear. And it's true, we wouldn't recognize an official leak if we tripped over. Look at how many people scoffed at the elevator photos, eh?
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Labeling this a theory is dubious. Apple didn't reportedly say anything in this account. He told Apple what to do. Like Apple has to do anything in choosing the content for their own presentations. It is not a rumor about Apple (or any of their products ). It a rumor about what someone's feedback to Apple was. Like feedback doesn't happen everyday at
https://www.apple.com/feedback/
WWDC is just about the worse venue Apple should/could promote their prowess as an Application developer. Apple gathers up thousands of developers and spends time talking about how good an application developer they are. Implicitly, having the ability run over any of those developers businesses whenever they really wanted to. That is not something Apple will want to draw attention to at WWDC. Apple's message is going to be focused on how they are an "insanely great" development partner, not competitor.
FCPX is already on a regular upgrade schedule. "Logic X" probably is waiting till 10.6 essentially gets de-supported and it is bit more flushed out than FCPX was at launch. Neither one of those is likely to coincide exactly with WWDC.
The primary market for these cards are the currently deployed Mac Pros; not the new ones. Unless Apple moves to an embedded GPU in the next Mac Pro and creates a BTO that leaves all slots open ( some number between 1-4; likely 4 ), then most folks buying these 3rd party cards are going to be buying them as replacements. The vast majority of replacements are for relatively "old" cards, not cards just bought in the last month or so (along with brand new Mac Pro).
Throw on top of that the EU Market blackout where folks are being force to get extended life out of already deployed Mac Pro and the June 2012 "speed bump" that left GPUs back in the 2009 era, it would be kind of loopy if some vendors did not show up at this point to "put a finger in the dike". In fact, I suspect they were hoping that 10.8.3 would come out sooner so the (not be one of the longest x.x.(n+1) in OS X history.). Indeed the K5000 was announced by Nvidia back in September 2012 and was targeted for 2012 release:
".. The Quadro K5000 for Mac is slated to begin shipping "later this year" from resellers and system integrators ..."
http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/09/nvida-announces-kepler-based-quadro-k5000-gpu-for-mac-pro/
The eligible cards in a new Mac Pro are likely going to cover approximately the same performance range as these two new cards 7950 and 680 at approximately the same prices. Relatively few folks are going to buy a Mac Pro with one of those cards and then yank it out for one of these.
(Both Nvidia and AMD are largely just rebadging desktop GPU cards for release this year. Limited clock speed bumps of the same architectures. Any new Mac Pro would be using a card with same arch if release anytime inside of 2013.)
The only way new Mac Pros drive a significant upside to 3rd party cards is if there are no removable GPU PCI-e cards in the new Mac Pro and the normally occupied slot is empty. It shouldn't be hard for retailers to price 3rd party cards with some discounts to be lower than Apple's prices which carry Apple's mandatory 30+% mark-up. That would be a viable additive market for 3rd party cards. GPU cards would be in the same category as RAM, HDDs, SDDs, that you only buy from the Apple BTO site if you have copious money to "gift" to Apple or laboring under some "single purchase order" restrictions.
It is likely to be a move to the evolutionary equivalents because that is exactly what has happened in the past. Apple could adjust the size a bit if there is a functional equivalent that gets the same performance class in a small or different dimensioned system.
The CPU and GPUs that are on cards will likely be a standard spec jump. An embedded GPU is likely going to be much closer to the class that has gone inside of MBP and iMacs than what has relatively been placed on PCI-e cards for previous Mac Pro. Moore's Law will enable these to be about as fast as some older cards, but won't be a med-high end 3D performance leader. It likely will be there in part to enable Thunderbolt. An embedded GPU also enables a slightly lower selling price which the Mac Pro also needs (something closer to the $2,000 border with iMac ).
That's exactly what many pro and prosumer users would like to see. Many user's only graphic power concern is maybe working with multiple displays.
Apple is creating a unnecessary toll that might bring in a small profit for them but Apple will loose sales to Windows boxes because of it.
For music creation the only major Apple only application now(DP8 for Windows?) is Logic Pro.
I'm not so sure. The key point of the Mac Pro is that you can customise it for what you want/need. 4 Hard drives for loads of internal storage or RAID, an obscure PCIe card, or a powerhouse GPU for games. And after a couple of years, it can all be swapped out for newer versions. That's why we pay through the nose for the Mac Pro - we're paying Apple for ability not to have to change out the entire computer every couple of years.
And as for the price being brought down significantly, I can't see that being the case as a cheapish GPU can be had for less than $100.
What would work is either using integrated graphics or having a low power GPU on the Mobo, with an empty 16x slot on the base config - that could be the best of both worlds.
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the main importance of good access for me, is the ability to replace a component quickly if it fails during a job.
It's possible, but work on the provisioning portal should have little to nothing to do with the WWDC pages.
This is actually pretty common. The developer portal frequently goes down once a week, so I would really not read too much into it. It's just that the closer we get to WWDC, the more people pay attention, but it's really not uncommon.
There is no topic here, just more bla-bla-bla that should have been posted on either an Appleinsider or a 9to5Mac fanboy iRag.
I don't know if you've noticed.... but this place is called MacRumors
... and even though this place misspells Rumours... its whole purpose is for us to share our deep down desires for what we wish Apple would do, while at same time knowing that Apple is going to whatever it wants to do - crushing our hearts and dreams. And yet we come back for more bla-bla-bla... sigh....
I didn't make up anything of the sort. If you look again, I posted something I came across on a group I subscribe to. Nothing more, nothing less.
I had a thought about this the other day. And this is just idle speculation... but I wonder if instead of dropping the price on a new Mac Pro (or whatever it turns out to be) Apple instead included all of their Pro Applications on the machine, plus the iWork suite. It would be great time to announce Aperture v4, a new version of iWork, etc etc. It would also explain the delays in any expected upgrades.
So basically you'd still pay a bucket load of money for a Pro machine, but then if you were happy with the Apple Pro Apps you wouldn't have to pay a penny for your Productivity SW, which could save someone hundreds of $$s. If you add up all the Pro apps prices it actually adds up to quite a bit of money. You know that even though no really needs all those applications the marketing department will make sure to use the sum total for how much money people are saving.
It makes sense for Apple too. Very few people need all those apps, so in reality they are only losing actual sales on a few titles. Plus... they get people hooked on these apps, so next time there is a paid upgrade Apple will get those sales. Plus, people may try out a Pro App that they wouldn't normally use and get hooked on that (and then pay for the next upgrade.) People tend to keep their Mac Pros for longer than other Macs, I believe... so Apple will have ample opportunity to get their investment back on the paid upgrade cycles.
That would also fit in with Cook's statement about having something for the "Pro users"... it could simply be a new strategy of offering the Pro App suite as included in the Mac Pro (or whatever) the same way as iLife is/was for the consumer systems.
In short... Still charge a bucket of money for the HW, but make it look a lot cheaper by including a full SW suite that people may not have bought, and for which they will eventually have to pay Apple for anyway when they pay for next upgrade to the App.
Now that I can agree with. I think the best value for getting a pro tower through Apple was probably the G4 series time period. ( With the current offering being the worst bang for your buck of course)
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While this would be nice, the delay in expected upgrades has clearly been hardware...
I doubt they're holding up the entire Mac Pro line for two years for a new version of iWork or Aperture.
Well, technically, it is only 'delayed' from last summer when an announcement was expected/hoped-for. I don't think we are going to see the same old Mac Pro form factor in whatever is announced... but the HW change may not be as drastic as some think if Apple is polishing the SW.
Like I said... just idle speculation.
Yeah, I just don't see it. Nothing wrong with bundling the current software on the Mac Pro, if that was the hold up. I doubt there is anything stunning coming in Aperture 4 that is worth holding up Apple's entire pro hardware market.
Including the software would be cool, but it's already so gosh darn cheap.
I agree, not likely... but it is a possibility. But there is more to Pro Apps than just Aperture. And if Apple was going to push Aperture out ahead of Lightroom and Capture One it would be major major upgrade.
You can push the value of the bundle into the $600.00 range easily. More if you make a deal with some 3rd party developers who don't compete with Apple SW. Think of the marketing possibilities. "Mac Pros... starting at $2500, with $600 worth of Professional Applications included." That starts sounding awfully affordable, eh? But ... it's just speculation....
One other thing though... it would seriously depress the resale market for used Mac Pros since they wouldn't include the SW bundle. Meaning that Apple would sell more new Mac Pros. And that is good business.
I'm almost talking myself into believing this...
Hmm, a software bundle? Well, there's no denying that it's been done before - to the point of being unsurprising when it's seen.
Something tells me that this isn't going to be it tho. I dunno, it just doesn't feel right... They're overdue for some faster machine architecture. So I guess that's where the focus will be.
Also when you guys say bundle... what, you mean like iWorks? Or more like Final Cut slash Logic Pro?
Something tells me that this isn't going to be it tho. I dunno, it just doesn't feel right... They're overdue for some faster machine architecture. So I guess that's where the focus will be.
Also when you guys say bundle... what, you mean like iWorks? Or more like Final Cut slash Logic Pro?