If you're not happy with the increase in price

[macguy360]

Wait for discounts

Currently, Apple is not meeting sales targets for iPhones and iPads for the 4th quarter. Most likely the increase in price for the new iPad will cause a further decrease in sales. Expect good discounts going into the holiday season.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-01/apple-slides-soft-guidance-iphone-sales-miss

 

[urkel]

Wait for discounts

Currently, Apple is not meeting sales targets for iPhones and iPads for the 4th quarter. Most likely the increase in price for the new iPad will cause a further decrease in sales. Expect good discounts going into the holiday season.

While I agree with your thought process, I’m feeling that the new iPads were released too late to be included in any major holiday sales. Most retailers already arranged all their big “door busters” and printed out all their ads. So the new iPads may end up staying full price. As with all things, Apple finds a way to maintain control of their prices.

 

[Perene]

A 32% discount? Is this a joke?

I paid US$ 829 for the IPP 10.5, 256 GB, wifi+cell. Now it costs 1099.

 

[SnacksGU]

Only discount I will be willing to accept on these is a price mistake or purchasing one used. I am cheap.

 

[kazmac]

My plan is to wait for a huge discount on the WiFi 10.5” 256gb anyway.

I wouldn’t go near the new 11” 1TB wifi iPP until it was half the retail price or less.

 

[stylinexpat]

I doubt the new iPad Pros will be discounted this early. Would be nice but I doubt it. Even with a 15% Employee discount you basically only get rid of tax and maybe another 6-7% discount on $1700 which is not too much. Still over $1500 for an iPad
$1K is reasonable in my opinion. I doubt that iPad costs them over $300 to produce.

 

[spiderman0616]

Wait for discounts

Currently, Apple is not meeting sales targets for iPhones and iPads for the 4th quarter. Most likely the increase in price for the new iPad will cause a further decrease in sales. Expect good discounts going into the holiday season.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-01/apple-slides-soft-guidance-iphone-sales-miss

Nothing you see as far as discounts or holiday deals has anything to do with any of that. There is a complicated scenario at play that caused the weaker than expected guidance for the upcoming holiday quarter. It has mostly to do with global economic factors that are far outside of Apple’s control. The smartphone market is saturated, that’s for sure, but Wall Street knows that and already had it priced in for the last several quarters.

I don’t want to get too far in the weeds here, but none of it has anything to do with iPad discounts at Target on Black Friday.

 

[wxnats]

Nothing you see as far as discounts or holiday deals has anything to do with any of that. There is a complicated scenario at play that caused the weaker than expected guidance for the upcoming holiday quarter. It has mostly to do with global economic factors that are far outside of Apple’s control. The smartphone market is saturated, that’s for sure, but Wall Street knows that and already had it priced in for the last several quarters.

I don’t want to get too far in the weeds here, but none of it has anything to do with iPad discounts at Target on Black Friday.

Well said. WSJ has a great article on this too.

 

[gadgetfreaky]

Nothing you see as far as discounts or holiday deals has anything to do with any of that. There is a complicated scenario at play that caused the weaker than expected guidance for the upcoming holiday quarter. It has mostly to do with global economic factors that are far outside of Apple’s control. The smartphone market is saturated, that’s for sure, but Wall Street knows that and already had it priced in for the last several quarters.

I don’t want to get too far in the weeds here, but none of it has anything to do with iPad discounts at Target on Black Friday.

yeah nobody is buying like they thought because the dollar is strong in Zimbabwe.

OR IT'S BECAUSE THEY RAISES THE PRICES TOO DAMN HIGH

global economic factors have zero to do with it other than maybe people weren't;t as stupid as they thought?

 

[tromboneaholic]

Nothing you see as far as discounts or holiday deals has anything to do with any of that. There is a complicated scenario at play that caused the weaker than expected guidance for the upcoming holiday quarter. It has mostly to do with global economic factors that are far outside of Apple’s control. The smartphone market is saturated, that’s for sure, but Wall Street knows that and already had it priced in for the last several quarters.

I don’t want to get too far in the weeds here, but none of it has anything to do with iPad discounts at Target on Black Friday.

Apple's guidance was conservative. I believe they did that on purpose due to uncertainties beyond their control, as you mentioned. I also think they were conservative so they can post earnings that substantially beat the guidance to make up for not announcing unit sales. They want the story to be about revenue, not units.

In regards to holiday sales, I wouldn't expect anything more than a $50 Target Gift Card or $50 Kohl's Cash Card.
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global economic factors have zero to do with it other than maybe people weren't;t as stupid as they thought?

You use the past tense, but Apple just posted a record 4th quarter.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

A 32% discount? Is this a joke?

I paid US$ 829 for the IPP 10.5, 256 GB, wifi+cell. Now it costs 1099.

You must have gotten it on sale. Before the new models, the 256GB WiFi + cellular 10.5” model was $929 at normal price.

 

[DNichter]

Or don't buy it at all

 

[JP913]

I think it’s funny that there’s so many people complaining about the price.

Personally, I purchased the 512g WiFi 12.9 iPP and I’m thinking of taking it into an Apple Store next Wednesday to trade it in for the 1tb model.

Is it expensive? Sure. But is the iPP aimed to the normal iPad consumer? No! It’s aimed at creative professionals, not people who are just gonna use it for Facebook or read some books.

I’m a visual artist, and I’ve been attached (literally and figuratively) to my iMac / Wacom Cintiq combo for years. The most low-cost version of the Cintiq is $800, which is literally just a screen and a pen. You still need a computer to run the damn thing. Their biggest Cintiq (32 inch) costs over $3300, and again, you still need a computer to use it.

My life changed when I picked up the first-gen iPad Pro, and I haven’t looked back. I rarely use my Cintiq to draw now. Why sit at your desk when you can go to a brewery and draw?

As a price comparison, the lowest cost version of Wacom’s tablet (the MobileStudio Pro) STARTS at $1500 (and that’s with a current $300 off promotion). Granted, it runs full Windows, but I’m WAY more impressed with the drawing apps on iOS (namely Procreate) than any full desktop drawing program I’ve ever used.

Their 16-inch model of the MobileStudio Pro, maxed out, is $3,300. Their tablets, no matter the version, only have 512g hard drives.

It also weights over 4 pounds and has a battery life (of “mixed use,” so less if you’re using battery hungry programs) around 6 hours. The plus side, they have 16g of RAM. BUT, it also has to run a full desktop operating system ON TOP of full desktop apps.

So, yeah. The new iPP’s are expensive to the normal consumer, but in my professional field, it’s really not. It’s all a matter of perspective.

 

[Zimmy68]

That is what I tend to do.
I was waiting for Black Friday for the Series 4 Apple Watch discounts.
But there is a little catch.
Lots and lots of Series 3 stock.
I just saw the Target BF ad and they don't even know the 4 exists, lots of 3 sales.
Oh well, there is alway Xmas.

But with iPad, what used to help was trade ins.
I remember getting like $250 for my OG iPad 1 from Best Buy.
Those deals have dried up.
They should know people want a reason to upgrade. Let me trade in my old device for a decent amount.
And $200 for a $900 iPad 12.9 v1 is not gonna cut it.

 

[Rogifan]

Wait for discounts

Currently, Apple is not meeting sales targets for iPhones and iPads for the 4th quarter. Most likely the increase in price for the new iPad will cause a further decrease in sales. Expect good discounts going into the holiday season.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-01/apple-slides-soft-guidance-iphone-sales-miss

What sales targets? Apple doesn’t disclose sales targets.

 

[spiderman0616]

That is what I tend to do.
I was waiting for Black Friday for the Series 4 Apple Watch discounts.
But there is a little catch.
Lots and lots of Series 3 stock.
I just saw the Target BF ad and they don't even know the 4 exists, lots of 3 sales.
Oh well, there is alway Xmas.

But with iPad, what used to help was trade ins.
I remember getting like $250 for my OG iPad 1 from Best Buy.
Those deals have dried up.
They should know people want a reason to upgrade. Let me trade in my old device for a decent amount.
And $200 for a $900 iPad 12.9 v1 is not gonna cut it.

I've noticed for the last two iPads I've sold (both on Swappa) that my decision to sell them early and go without for a few weeks before the new model has paid off. It's a pain in the butt, yes, because I'm a heavy iPad user and really don't like not having one for very long. They drop some resale value the second the new models come out, and this was a year I KNEW I wasn't going to be able to resist the new models, so I sold my 10.5" back in September and got almost $600 for it. That paid for half of my 11" iPad, keyboard folio, and pencil. Not too bad.

I'm still looking for that magic model that I will be content with for a few years. The Pro model iPads specifically have been frustrating in that regard, because I much prefer the smaller models and those are the ones that keep drastically changing in design, screen size and specs in ways that I find important. 9.7" Pro to 10.5" Pro went from 2 GB of RAM to 4 GB of RAM, increased the screen size, reduced the bezels, etc. 10.5" Pro to 11" Pro is a huge speed bump, another screen size increase while retaining the portability, a new design, etc.

I think the 11" model this year is going to finally be the one I stick with past one generation. I don't anticipate another screen size or design change next gen, and I will not upgrade for a processor bump or the addition of OLED.

 

[rui no onna]

I think the 11" model this year is going to finally be the one I stick with past one generation. I don't anticipate another screen size or design change next gen, and I will not upgrade for a processor bump or the addition of OLED.

And then comes next year. Apple's darned good at marketing.

 

[spiderman0616]

And then comes next year. Apple's darned good at marketing.

Yeah, they really are. I'm just a real sucker for form factor changes. I can honestly say switching the next model to OLED would not be an upgrade-worthy feature for me though, and neither would a processor bump. I mean--look at the first gen 9.7" Pro. It's still a screamer and would still be serving me fine if I had skipped the 10.5" and gone straight to the 11".

I do get why Apple is doing this though (aside from the marketing tactics). They HAVE to do more going forward on the smaller Pro models to differentiate from the 9.7" standard iPad. They flipped the script on everything when they made Pencil available for the base model. I'm a heavy Pencil user, so the gen 2 was too much to resist for me as well.

I really do think I'm going to be able to stave off the upgrade bug next time though. I think the gen 4 Pros are going to look/function exactly like this gen other than possibly OLED screens, AwhateverX processors, and maybe some more RAM. Another redesign in form factor and screen size would be ludicrous at that point in time.

 

[gadgetfreaky]

Apple's guidance was conservative. I believe they did that on purpose due to uncertainties beyond their control, as you mentioned. I also think they were conservative so they can post earnings that substantially beat the guidance to make up for not announcing unit sales. They want the story to be about revenue, not units.

In regards to holiday sales, I wouldn't expect anything more than a $50 Target Gift Card or $50 Kohl's Cash Card.
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You use the past tense, but Apple just posted a record 4th quarter.

It was a record quarter in the sense of the single largest market cap drop in history- 70 billion in day? Sales are down 10%. They raise prices 15%, sales drop 10%. When you run out of innovation- all you got left is stick it to loyal apple users and hope they bail you out.

Turns out people are not that stupid.

 

[Dunbar]

Last year you could get the new iPad Pros for $100-150 off if you were patient (i.e., didn’t buy one in the first month or two after launch.) At least one retailer would discount them and then you could price match to a retailer like Adorama that doesn’t charge sales tax in your state.

 

[rui no onna]

Last year you could get the new iPad Pros for $100-150 off if you were patient (i.e., didn’t buy one in the first month or two after launch.) At least one retailer would discount them and then you could price match to a retailer like Adorama that doesn’t charge sales tax in your state.

Depends on config. 64GB Wi-Fi, plenty of sales. 512GB LTE? Not so much (apart from carrier term deals).

Also, some states charge use tax. In CA, if no single item costs more than $1000, one could pay use tax based on income. If it exceeds that, you have to declare it.

 

[Dunbar]

See the thread below, the deals were out there on both wi-fi and cellular models. The discounts were actually bigger on the higher storage models. You’re supposed to declare internet purchases on your taxes in every state with sales tax but nobody does lol.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-way-to-save-even-more.2073945/#post-25151488

 

[rui no onna]

See the thread below, the deals were out there on both wi-fi and cellular models. The discounts were actually bigger on the higher storage models. You’re supposed to declare internet purchases on your taxes in every state with sales tax but nobody does lol.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-way-to-save-even-more.2073945/#post-25151488

Note, the discounts for LTE were for the previous (2016) models. I'm sure there'll be deals on 2017 iPPs once the 2019/2020 iPPs are released, too.

Mind, I'm planning on just waiting for either bigger carrier discounts, refurbs or another model refresh before I upgrade to 1TB. Whichever comes first.

 

[Greenmeenie]

Is there anyone who IS happy when a company increases prices? Um...no. But that’s life. You either need or want to upgrade or ya don’t. Of course prices will be cheaper later. Of course there will be sales for Black Friday and refurbished eventually. Only you can answer if you’ll bite the bullet and buy now or wait. Me personally? I’m biting the bullet and buying now. Um...that is soon as I decide between the 1 TB 11” or 12.9” iPad Pro. Heh heh heh.

 

[DaniJoy]

I think it’s funny that there’s so many people complaining about the price.

Personally, I purchased the 512g WiFi 12.9 iPP and I’m thinking of taking it into an Apple Store next Wednesday to trade it in for the 1tb model.

Is it expensive? Sure. But is the iPP aimed to the normal iPad consumer? No! It’s aimed at creative professionals, not people who are just gonna use it for Facebook or read some books.

I’m a visual artist, and I’ve been attached (literally and figuratively) to my iMac / Wacom Cintiq combo for years. The most low-cost version of the Cintiq is $800, which is literally just a screen and a pen. You still need a computer to run the damn thing. Their biggest Cintiq (32 inch) costs over $3300, and again, you still need a computer to use it.

My life changed when I picked up the first-gen iPad Pro, and I haven’t looked back. I rarely use my Cintiq to draw now. Why sit at your desk when you can go to a brewery and draw?

As a price comparison, the lowest cost version of Wacom’s tablet (the MobileStudio Pro) STARTS at $1500 (and that’s with a current $300 off promotion). Granted, it runs full Windows, but I’m WAY more impressed with the drawing apps on iOS (namely Procreate) than any full desktop drawing program I’ve ever used.

Their 16-inch model of the MobileStudio Pro, maxed out, is $3,300. Their tablets, no matter the version, only have 512g hard drives.

It also weights over 4 pounds and has a battery life (of “mixed use,” so less if you’re using battery hungry programs) around 6 hours. The plus side, they have 16g of RAM. BUT, it also has to run a full desktop operating system ON TOP of full desktop apps.

So, yeah. The new iPP’s are expensive to the normal consumer, but in my professional field, it’s really not. It’s all a matter of perspective.

dunno about this man. i use my MSP16 way more than my ipad pro for client work. No color critical workflows, small pixel dimensions. its pretty limited to just comics and poster sized prints.

i hope the new ipad pro with 6gb lives up to the hype, but i doubt ill be able to open my 10gb photoshop files on it. hope im wrong. glad it works for you though!

But, 6gb ipad, pencil, case and apple care is 2500$!!! thats more than a hp zbook x2 that has better wacom pen and up to 32gb ram! procreate is nice, but its mostly just for digital painting. what about animators, matte painters, and high resolution digital art? ipad looks terribly priced and underpowered for those artists. Hope im wrong though, would be nice if they some how found a way to run photoshop fast without limits. but the three years ive had ipad pros all i have found was limits of the machine that limit my creativity.