Other i'm leaving the iPhone

[Thoradin]

I miss those old Nokias, I had a 3210 (never ending battery life it felt like) a 7650 (I believe the first camera phone from Nokia), a 8210, that was my favourite plus a few more, one even had a circular keypad which was horrible, and they all could have firmware updates to the Symbian platform at the Nokia shop near me, not many updates but there were a few to iron out bugs, the buggiest being for myself the 8310 that looked pretty but had issues, my favourite was the N95 8GB model. Still miss that, and the battery life. I also miss my Sony Ericsson P910i writing on that was so fluid, but that soft screen would scratch if you looked at it without a screen protector, no glass back then for those style of phones. Nothing so exciting these days but we have hit a plateau in oblong world, now its thin bezels which I care nothing about and even on the 14 Pro I keep making the screen apps wobble because the bezel is thin, god help the 15 Pro thingy do dah. A camera that is pure fugly, and this years phone looks ok from the mock ups but its no reason to update from a 14 Pro not even for USB C the loosest connector I've ever had.

The 7650 was indeed the first camera phone they produced. I was given one at the time to try and get me away from my 7110, yet I refused and gave it to my younger brother, who was still in school at the time.
I remember having a pre-release 8310 and I did nothing but complain about how buggy it was, especially compared to the 8210 before it.
The strange circular keypad would have been the 3650, the phone that eventually lead me to give up my 7110. Damn, did I love that thing. I could type faster than any normal T9 and the admiring glances in bars made me feel like a celebrity.

I also vividly remember the Sony-Ericsson P series phones kicking around the office.
The guys there weren’t happy with Symbian UIQ and its development towards touch functionality. UIQ was great, but I only ever used it myself on a Motorola Z8 after I’d left Nokia.

The less said about current phone design, the better. I love the functionality of my 14PM (and the fact it still has a lightning port), but it’s just another iteration of a phone launched 16 years ago.
Personally I don’t think that foldable devices are the future, but I like the fact that companies are taking chances on design again.

 

[FeliApple]

Once upon a time mobile phones were exactly what they said on the tin, phones that you could take out and about. They were mobile.
In those days Nokia was the king, their phones had monochrome screens and little bleeps for sound. They could make calls and their messaging features were purely platform agnostic (yes SMS is outdated, but is still the only truly reliable way of sending a message to another mobile device).
Back in those days I worked at Nokia and for a long while I refused to give up my beautiful 7110. I also had to replace my battery after 18 months in order to get the same multi-day runtime, that I had when it was new. This beautiful technological marvel couldn’t even have its software updated, it’s still next to me now on its launch version over 20 years later.

Essentially the moral of the story here is that software updates don’t kill battery life, the only thing that causes issues is usage patterns and time.
If you want to prolong the life of your phone battery, charge it to around 70%, turn it off and never use it again.
It’ll still degrade due to the passage of time though I’m afraid.
Alternatively, you could stop worrying about it. Charge your phone overnight and replace the battery wherever it no longer lasts a day.

But please, for the love of all that is just and right with the world.
If you’re never going to update the software, turn off all data and stop using it online, because you’re just asking for trouble.

The Nokia 1100 also had no software updates and battery degraded anyway.

I don’t think that can be compared to iPhones.

Staying behind is the only defense against irrecoverable runtime loss. People might have their reasons not to do this (and they’re totally valid, of course), but at the end of the day, it’s the only way. I truly wish it weren’t.

You update it and replace the battery, and it won’t match the original version. Furthermore, it will plummet as soon as battery health drops. If it isn’t updated? The software is so efficient that battery health is irrelevant.

I’ve used both iPhones and iPads for years and years on their original battery with the same iOS version and battery life is absolutely, totally stable. Regardless of battery health. Any drop is negligible, even after “catastrophic” battery health loss.

 

[I7guy]

Once upon a time mobile phones were exactly what they said on the tin, phones that you could take out and about. They were mobile.
In those days Nokia was the king, their phones had monochrome screens and little bleeps for sound. They could make calls and their messaging features were purely platform agnostic (yes SMS is outdated, but is still the only truly reliable way of sending a message to another mobile device).
Back in those days I worked at Nokia and for a long while I refused to give up my beautiful 7110. I also had to replace my battery after 18 months in order to get the same multi-day runtime, that I had when it was new. This beautiful technological marvel couldn’t even have its software updated, it’s still next to me now on its launch version over 20 years later.

Essentially the moral of the story here is that software updates don’t kill battery life, the only thing that causes issues is usage patterns and time.
If you want to prolong the life of your phone battery, charge it to around 70%, turn it off and never use it again.
It’ll still degrade due to the passage of time though I’m afraid.
Alternatively, you could stop worrying about it. Charge your phone overnight and replace the battery wherever it no longer lasts a day.

But please, for the love of all that is just and right with the world.
If you’re never going to update the software, turn off all data and stop using it online, because you’re just asking for trouble.

I agree. It’s battery degradation, imo, that causes poor overall performance not updates — on most modern phones. Not 100% but for example the iPhone X, max, 11, 12, 13, and 14 are mostly immune to software updates in terms of battery life and performance.

 

[Thoradin]

The Nokia 1100 also had no software updates and battery degraded anyway.

I don’t think that can be compared to iPhones.

Staying behind is the only defense against irrecoverable runtime loss. People might have their reasons not to do this (and they’re totally valid, of course), but at the end of the day, it’s the only way. I truly wish it weren’t.

You update it and replace the battery, and it won’t match the original version. Furthermore, it will plummet as soon as battery health drops. If it isn’t updated? The software is so efficient that battery health is irrelevant.

I’ve used both iPhones and iPads for years and years on their original battery with the same iOS version and battery life is absolutely, totally stable. Regardless of battery health. Any drop is negligible, even after “catastrophic” battery health loss.

The big thing with battery replacements is that even from Apple, you’ll never get a battery as fresh as buying a new phone on launch day.
You could get a replacement that’s been sat in a box on a shelf for 2 years, which by that point would have suffered degradation, though obviously not to the extent of one that’s been used for that amount of time.

A lot is known about the way that batteries age, but it’s not an exact science unfortunately and no 2 batteries will ever age the same.
I understand your position, I do.
But as an IT security professional, I’d never be without constant updates and I’m quite content with buying new batteries to extend the life of my devices. To me they are a consumable part of my electronics, just as they are in my car.

 

[FeliApple]

The big thing with battery replacements is that even from Apple, you’ll never get a battery as fresh as buying a new phone on launch day.
You could get a replacement that’s been sat in a box on a shelf for 2 years, which by that point would have suffered degradation, though obviously not to the extent of one that’s been used for that amount of time.

A lot is known about the way that batteries age, but it’s not an exact science unfortunately and no 2 batteries will ever age the same.
I understand your position, I do.
But as an IT security professional, I’d never be without constant updates and I’m quite content with buying new batteries to extend the life of my devices. To me they are a consumable part of my electronics, just as they are in my car.

I reckon that new batteries can’t produce the results that original iOS versions do, simply because of increased power consumption.

Battery replacements are a very temporary solution (runtime decreases very quickly if the device is sufficiently updated), and like I said, it can’t match original versions anyway.

It’s a half-hearted, temporary solution. Unfortunately for those users who keep devices for a while, it isn’t even a complete solution. It’ll quickly degrade again, and the runtime after a new battery isn’t as good as it could be.

 

[I7guy]

I reckon that new batteries can’t produce the results that original iOS versions do, simply because of increased power consumption.

There are videos showing otherwise. Comparison of Xs max on iOS 15 vs iOS 16 shows none of what you claim. If there is not difference between 15 and 16, likely no difference between 15 and 14 and 14 and 13 and 13 and 12.

Battery replacements are a very temporary solution (runtime decreases very quickly if the device is sufficiently updated), and like I said, it can’t match original versions anyway.

There is no proof to this and in fact proof to the opposite.

It’s a half-hearted, temporary solution. Unfortunately for those users who keep devices for a while, it isn’t even a complete solution. It’ll quickly degrade again, and the runtime after a new battery isn’t as good as it could be.

So if my Xs max hasn’t degraded in 2023 will it finally degrade with iOS 17?

 

[FeliApple]

There are videos showing otherwise. Comparison of Xs max on iOS 15 vs iOS 16 shows none of what you claim. If there is not difference between 15 and 16, likely no difference between 15 and 14 and 14 and 13 and 13 and 12.

What? Not true in both instances.

So if my Xs max hasn’t degraded in 2023 will it finally degrade with iOS 17?

I won’t go in circles again. It has already degraded in iOS 16.

 

[Gudi]

so i daily'd an iPhone SE second gen for the last 2 and half or so years, and i'm leaving the iPhone now. the reason is battery life.

Last November I bought a new battery for my mom's SE for EUR 8,78 on eBay.
She was proud of my ifixit skills. 😇

PS: I bought another battery for my own XR, but I'm unsure how to cut through the waterproof adhesive and it doesn't need fixing yet. 📲

 

[I7guy]

What? Not true in both instances.

It is true unless you can show definitive proof to the contrary. Something that’s substantial.

I won’t go in circles again. It has already degraded in iOS 16.

Dont know what “it” means. But my max does not exhibit what you claim, hence your statement is false. If you don’t want to go around in circles or respond to people with a different experience don’t keep posting the same incorrect info.

 

[FeliApple]

It is true unless you can show definitive proof to the contrary. Something that’s substantial.

Dont know what “it” means. But my max does not exhibit what you claim, hence your statement is false. If you don’t want to go around in circles or respond to people with a different experience don’t keep posting the same incorrect info.

“You may not like what I have to say, but I’m glad to be given the opportunity to say it”.

 

[I7guy]

“You may not like what I have to say, but I’m glad to be given the opportunity to say it”.

All of your observations about battery life and performance are anecdotal at best. Which are impossible to refute if acknowledged. As soon as it’s claimed “it’s across the board”, generalizations such as this are automatically false.