I'm thinking of moving to Windows: Shock Horror!

[shinji]

Macs look nicer and OS X has a better feel than Windows.

It really boils down to whether or not you agree with that. Same thing with the iPhone and iPad vs. comparable Android devices. I think it's worth paying the Apple premium, particularly for products I use daily.

 

[mentaluproar]

The surface almost had me, but the mac was just better. It was so close, but developer support for metro was lacking and sloppiness of using the desktop on a touchscreen was apparent.

That and everything else about OS X was just done more cleanly.

 

[cookiesnfooty]

I've disliked the direction Apple has been going for quite some time. An OS X bug that Apple refused to fix was the final straw, and I recently bought the new Dell XPS 13.

The one tip I have is that you definitely get what you pay for. If you get a $400 laptop, you won't be happy with it, you'll curse Windows, and go buy a $2000 MBP (Praise Jobs). If you spend $1000 on a Windows laptop, you'll have a nice and surprisingly pleasant experience. Spend a little more for a touchscreen, and you'll wonder what in the world is wrong with Apple for not integrating touch with OS X.
Once you've converted to the "dark side", you'll rediscover things like "gaming" and "sin". You'll sink hours upon hours into games. You'll forget to shower. Your wife will take the kids and leave you. You'll get fired from your job. But hey, at least your guild still loves you!
I find that I tend to do more gaming on Windows, even though the games I play are cross-platform. Dunno why that is, but there's that too.

P.S. If you use Windows 8, download the Netflix app and "snap" the Netflix app to the side.. It's really handy.

P.P.S I still use Mavericks at work, and I really don't want to upgrade my work machine to Yosemite. I don't want to think about what will happen when I'm forced into updating it for xcode compatibility.

What bug?

 

[0098386]

Macs look nicer and OS X has a better feel than Windows.

It's strange how true this is. OSX isn't perfect, it has its problems, but for basic computer use I much prefer it. I'm not happy with its default mouse control. I find both Windows and OSX improve dramatically once mouse acceleration is removed.

 

[twietee]

I'm having zero problems with Win 8.1 - and I like the fact that I can absolutely minimize what's shown on the desktop. Don't really like the dock anymore - too comical. Only real issue I have is that some of my CAD shortcuts, when messed up a little, can change the keyboard language setting which is annoying, and I find no way to disable that at all.

As I don't have much problems with Yosemite on my rMBP..so yep, works both ways for me. A Mac Pro isn't justificable for me.

Heard good things about Win X so far as well, but not sure I want to upgrade right away.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

What bug?

The URL is https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT203904 unfortunately, Apple removed the link because of how stupid it makes them look.

This is the french version of HT203904 from google cache, translated.

OS X: New email messages not received until Mail is quit and reopened


For some email providers, new email messages in Mail may only appear to arrive when Mail is first opened. No new email arrives until Mail is quit and reopened.





Quitting and reopening Mail forces it to re-establish a connection to the email server. You can use these steps to receive new mail messages without quitting Mail:
1.Choose Mailbox > Take All Accounts Offline.
2.Choose Mailbox > Get All New Mail.

As a shortcut, you can also add the Take All Accounts Offline and Get Mail buttons to your Mail toolbar.
1.Choose View > Customize Toolbar.
2.Drag the Take All Accounts Offline button to the Toolbar if it is not there already.
3.Drag the Get Mail button to the Toolbar if it is not there already.
4.Click Done

To receive new mail messages, click the Take Offline button, then click the Check Mail button.

 

[tentala]

I can't believe I'm saying this but after my first personal computer being a Mac and having had one for maybe six years, I'm contemplating leaving it all behind.

I'm on a Mac Mini, and love it to bits, but right now I can see more reasons to convert to the dark side...
First, I refuse to go any further than 10.8 because I'm scared it will slow my Mac down, and hate the look of Yosemite. I don't own any iOS devices and don't want my desktop looking like a tablet thank you very much. The longer I leave it the worse it'll get and I'll have to move forward at some point.
Second, I think price wise I can get more for my money with pc. Unless I pay more for a higher end Mac, I can pick up a cheaper more powerful pc.
Third, I'm not bound by pre-made machines and can customise how I want to match my needs/price bracket. If I need a bit more speed, just pick up a new motherboard and processor and I'm on my way pretty much.
Finally, I do like games. Unfortunately Mac can't quite give the that experience.
I will miss apps like pages, mail and calendar, but I think that the benefits of PC are far stronger.

I am still a firm believer in once you go mac never go back, and you hear very few stories of people moving from Windows to Mac, but I guess I'm doing the opposite somehow...

I don't quite know what I'm expecting by posting this, but as long as we all play nice I look forward to a discussion.

If you don't need the "thin, nice, cool, light,..." (style), Windows is a choice.

 

[maflynn]

If you don't need the "thin, nice, cool, light,..." (style), Windows is a choice.

Actually there are a number of very thin cool light laptops that don't have a fruit logo on them. Many of them have a price point that is much less then what apple charges as well.

My SP3, is thin, light and yes cool

 

[satcomer]

No clue how it appeared.

Stop going to all those P0RN sites and warz sites

 

[Huntn]

Stop going to all those P0RN sites and warz sites

Neither of those sites visited.

 

[satcomer]

Neither of those sites visited.

Significant Other or kids at home?

 

[Traverse]

One thing I love about OS X is it has some amazing third party applications such as Pixelmator and iDraw. There are also many writing applications that doesn't exist for Windows.

In terms of just the OS, Windows has improved substantially and I enjoy using it, but little details keep me in OS X:

• Font rendering: Window's uses jagged thin fonts, I don't know why they don't fix this. OS X uses (or used to use) much bolder and nicer font.
• The ability to close a background window with one click instead of having to first make it the foreground application.
• The ability to scroll in non-active windows just by hovering your mouse over them.
• Better guesture support (not counting touch screen which I don't want on my laptop.)
• Better implementation of multiple spaces/desktops/apps - though Windows is making great strides here

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My SP3, is thin, light and yes cool

And the SP4 is supposed to build upon that right? I'm curious if they'll be able to make it any thinner, which I don't think is completely necessary. I want to try one out so bad; it looks like a very interesting device.

 

[maflynn]

And the SP4 is supposed to build upon that right? I'm curious if they'll be able to make it any thinner, which I don't think is completely necessary. I want to try one out so bad; it looks like a very interesting device.

MS promised not to alter the dimensions, so the existing peripherals would be compatible, so I'm not sure if they'd make it thinner as the docking station may not work too well.

 

[Huntn]

Significant Other or kids at home?

No. All I do on this box is game, visit Steam or major game development sites.

 

[poorcody]

I run Mac OS X and Windows in a Parallels VM. I actually do my email, web, iPhoto, iTunes, stuff like Pixelmator on the Mac, and I do Visual Studio and some niche web design utils in Windows.

I thought Windows 7 was fine, Windows 8 horrid, but 8.1 and now 10 look decent. I've been a little disappointed in the bugs in Mavericks and Yosemite, and the UI changes in Yosemite. All in all though, I still find OS X to be more pleasing in total.

I also don't like how Apple is approaching the Mac-line by making it less upgradable and taking "thin" to such an extreme they actually are requiring external adapters over ports! On the other hand, every time I touch a Windows laptop and compare it to my MacBook Air, they all feel like toys.

To me OS X still has a significant advantage when it comes to security, even if the only reason is its smaller market-share and thus less targeted. And that is important to me.

I do hope Apple does a "clean-up" version with the next iteration of OS X. Mac and Windows are starting to get closer to each other again.

 

[Bobby dazzler]

I can't believe I'm saying this but after my first personal computer being a Mac and having had one for maybe six years, I'm contemplating leaving it all behind.

I'm on a Mac Mini, and love it to bits, but right now I can see more reasons to convert to the dark side...
First, I refuse to go any further than 10.8 because I'm scared it will slow my Mac down, and hate the look of Yosemite. I don't own any iOS devices and don't want my desktop looking like a tablet thank you very much. The longer I leave it the worse it'll get and I'll have to move forward at some point.
Second, I think price wise I can get more for my money with pc. Unless I pay more for a higher end Mac, I can pick up a cheaper more powerful pc.
Third, I'm not bound by pre-made machines and can customise how I want to match my needs/price bracket. If I need a bit more speed, just pick up a new motherboard and processor and I'm on my way pretty much.
Finally, I do like games. Unfortunately Mac can't quite give the that experience.
I will miss apps like pages, mail and calendar, but I think that the benefits of PC are far stronger.

I am still a firm believer in once you go mac never go back, and you hear very few stories of people moving from Windows to Mac, but I guess I'm doing the opposite somehow...

I don't quite know what I'm expecting by posting this, but as long as we all play nice I look forward to a discussion.

I can't believe you'll be missing Pages and Calendar - both have been ruined recently by Apple and are now uncomfortable and annoying to use.

I say go for it. Let us know how you get on. I've been thinking the same myself.
"Lately, Apple doesn't seem very Apple anymore."

 

[Traverse]

FWIW, I was all set to buy a retina iMac, but I'm on the fence at this point.

Did you ever make a decision on this?

Personally, the Retina iMac hasn't tempted me because I think that specs are sub par for the price of that machine and I don't think the graphics are where they should be.

Now I don't think the 13" MBPs are that overpriced.

 

[maflynn]

Did you ever make a decision on this?

Personally, the Retina iMac hasn't tempted me because I think that specs are sub par for the price of that machine and I don't think the graphics are where they should be.

Now I don't think the 13" MBPs are that overpriced.

I'm going to hold off until the fall for a variety of reasons. Partly because I need to save up more money, partly because I want to take advantage of any Christmas sales and finally I want to see if Apple (or anyone else) goes to Skylake.

I've had a 13" MBP before and they're good computers but I'm more interested in the 15", I prefer that form factor if I was going to go to the MBP computer and at 2,000 I do think its over priced. Its hard for me to justify that sort of expense to the family.

The iMac with the 27" screen and 5k display may be easier to justify in a sense, but its still hard to actually spend over 2K for that machine.

 

[ucfgrad93]

I can't believe I'm saying this but after my first personal computer being a Mac and having had one for maybe six years, I'm contemplating leaving it all behind.

I'm on a Mac Mini, and love it to bits, but right now I can see more reasons to convert to the dark side...
First, I refuse to go any further than 10.8 because I'm scared it will slow my Mac down, and hate the look of Yosemite. I don't own any iOS devices and don't want my desktop looking like a tablet thank you very much. The longer I leave it the worse it'll get and I'll have to move forward at some point.
Second, I think price wise I can get more for my money with pc. Unless I pay more for a higher end Mac, I can pick up a cheaper more powerful pc.
Third, I'm not bound by pre-made machines and can customise how I want to match my needs/price bracket. If I need a bit more speed, just pick up a new motherboard and processor and I'm on my way pretty much.
Finally, I do like games. Unfortunately Mac can't quite give the that experience.
I will miss apps like pages, mail and calendar, but I think that the benefits of PC are far stronger.

I am still a firm believer in once you go mac never go back, and you hear very few stories of people moving from Windows to Mac, but I guess I'm doing the opposite somehow...

I don't quite know what I'm expecting by posting this, but as long as we all play nice I look forward to a discussion.

Get what works best for you, OP.