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I just switched to a mac from windows 7. I spent a lot of years in the tech world as a techie, and the windows platform fit my techie world. The problem was when I just wanted to get a task done an mac was a far better tool.

I am not super impressed with my Imac 27. I bought it do to do video work and suspect the move to professional based tools is more than I wanted to work with, but it needed to be done. Since my applications final cut pro X and dreamweaver are far more advanced the the applications I was using on the window platform I have no way to judge.

I don't miss the technical issues my windows platform was always having, but the trade off was limited applications in the mac platform. I am not sure for the money it was worth it, but it is a step up as a tool.
 
I'll paraphrase another respondent: No two people think alike.

All great things - whether they be companies or civilizations - grow to prominence and then wither away. That's the order of life ... or so it seems to me.

I think many Apple fans feel Microsoft products and the machines that run them are under-engineered, cheaply built and cheaply sold. More than a century ago, John Ruskin said that there was hardly anything that could not be made more cheaply, and that people who bought on price alone were the lawful prey of those who did so. There's a reason, of course, that most folks who buy based on price still buy Windows. From personal observation, they deserve what they get. More than that, they get what they pay for.

When I first became an Apple addict in 1996, Apple was on the skids. Microsoft was in the ascendency. Now, of course, the situation is reversed. Plenty of us will never touch another Windows machine; life is too short and we just want something that works. Like it or not, the Mac does precisely that.

Just because you do not "get" what all the fuss is about doesn't mean no one else does.
 
I can only speak for myself since I'm pretty new on the Mac scene. I remember we had an old Mac in the library in a school I went to in 1993 and I've dabbled a little with Mac at work but apart from that I don't know much about it. I've always been an Amiga freak, even when PC became the hottest thing money could buy.

I've had a PC in various shapes and forms since 1996, Windows has actually given me a lot of pleasure but the culmination of pain was when I was supposed to maintain my mother's machine with Windows Millennium installed...

In May I saw that my job offered people to purchase the iMac 21 and 27 inch and it took me until August to make the decision to finally ditch the old PC I was using and try new territories. I'm far from being a "techie" but I'm interested in computers and learning new things about them, the silly OS wars died in the 90s afaic.

I've had techie friends raising their eyebrows, sneering at me and then look at me in that particular way my dad used to do when I brought two girls with me home at night. Some things are familiar, some things are new territory and I just love to explore what I can do with the machine - in a sense it's rejuveniled my hobby in a way I didn't about at first.

At the end of the day, if the computer performs and does exactly what you've told it to do without complaining it shouldn't matter what OS or computer you're using.
 
I am a user of Both PC/Mac but not like you, I am just an old fellow who can enjoy a challenge and the computer is my plaything....

Thanks for your message and your comments, much appreciated. I, like you, have spent a fair bit of time learning how to do stuff on the Mac via Google and there are many great articles/videos, etc.

It's not that I don't know how to do stuff. Nobody has that excuse any more - every answer under the sun is three clicks away these days.

It's just that I don't understand why some people I meet through my professional life get so entrenched in their belief that their Mac is so bla bla bla and Windows is bla bla bla.

My point is that I'm struggling to find anything that's special about the Mac. Apart from the way it looks. And if that's why they're so entrenched, then it's pretty sad!

Anyway, I hope my boy enjoys using it. It's an expensive paper weight!
 
I am not a techie, but am an advanced enough user to have managed a library's 14 computers with 2 networked printers (running Windows XP).

Been using Windows and Mac operating systems and platforms since 1984. Right now my family has 3 iMacs, a Mac Mini, and a PC laptop. I used a PC desktop from 2000-2007.

Back in the Windows 3.1 days, the difference between System 7 and Windows was a gulf. System 7 was beautiful to look at and use. Macs used to draw me in and I became 1 with the machine. When Spindler was CEO of Apple, I drifted over to the PC side for a laptop. Then I got an awesome AMD-based desktop that lasted 7 years with upgrades. Windows 95 was okay (a big improvement in useability and attractiveness of design), and Windows XP was quite good indeed.

When I was managing the library machines, real techies told me to skip Windows Vista entirely, so I stuck with XP sp3. Windows 7--I have used it many times at work and do not like it. Find those translucent windows and the whole system of managing tabs in IE counterintuitive. Maybe I would get used to it. I am not buying a Windows 7 machine to find out.

Windows 8-- I have used it three times and I like it on the desktop. Not enough to get me to switch back, but I have no complaints in using it. Have not used it on a laptop, and don't see what touch on the desktop or laptop is all about. Why would I want to smudge my screen or reach up for a screen that is farther away from the keyboard. Some of the laptops are convertible to tablets, but in the pictures it looks not artfully implemented. Desktop, laptop, tablet and phone are each unique, OS should adapt to each.
 
I just switched to a mac from windows 7. I spent a lot of years in the tech world as a techie, and the windows platform fit my techie world. The problem was when I just wanted to get a task done an mac was a far better tool.

I am not super impressed with my Imac 27. I bought it do to do video work and suspect the move to professional based tools is more than I wanted to work with, but it needed to be done. Since my applications final cut pro X and dreamweaver are far more advanced the the applications I was using on the window platform I have no way to judge.

I don't miss the technical issues my windows platform was always having, but the trade off was limited applications in the mac platform. I am not sure for the money it was worth it, but it is a step up as a tool.

Thanks for your message. Good to see your perspective. I don't personally get any technical issues on Windows, but sorry you did. Good luck with your Mac 27.
 
Well, honest, it's ok not to like Macs even to prefer Windows ;) My history with Macs and Windows is even longer than yours and I've watched both companies learn from each other as the years have gone by.

For me, the focus of both companies has been to sell more stuff by integrating more and more functionality, making a more powerful platform for their own software and finally, by hiding the complexity of managing a computer, network etc.

Now, in the past Microsoft tackled some of these things in an overly aggressive manner (remember Netscape?) and their reputation has not been completely cleaned, even though it is mostly ancient history. Apple had the advantage of being the plucky outsider for a lot of that time. But, that was perhaps why you saw the $oft - some people have long memories :)

Fast forward to the present and I sit here with a Windows 7 laptop on my left and an iMac on my right. They are both equally good at doing the stuff I give them (apart from the Dell's distressing habit of spontaneously powering itself off). But, to my mind, the Mac does a better job hiding the complex stuff from me. Windows 7 for all its wizards seems to be only a thin veneer over painful time consuming activities (yes, I still have to use regedit).

As a techie, neither environment gets in my way and neither the Windows command prompt or a Linux terminal are particularly frightening. But, when I just want to get things done, I'd rather just get them done on my Mac.
 
I have no idea why some people require to have other people tell them why they do like a product when they themselves don't. Just pick some other product next time around and move on. Why care about others liking something you don't?
 
For me OSX is the better tool, for you it sounds like it isn't.

I personally like how Apple has simplified down the day to day tasks and made some things easy, such as backing up your computer with Time Machine with the ability to very easily browse the backups and restore what you want. The integration between apps such as Mail, Calendar, Address Book, iPhoto, iTunes etc... where data from one is available in others, for example you can easily access your iPhoto library from the file selector in pretty much any other app that can open/import images.

Then there are little touches such as having spell checking and a dictionary/thesaurus lookup on nearly any text input field. Spotlight search with good metadata support available in many places, such as directly from the standard file selector.

Having built in print to PDF support, along with good support for a wide range of image formats and other types of document out of the box is also nice. Though at-least Windows has PDF support now.


On the flip side for more technical tasks I like how there is a full shell, just as there is when I'm running on Linux. Or how automator and applescript are fairly ubiquitous allowing for applications to be easily scripted to work together. The free Xcode development tools and the compilers and other command line tools also work well for me, and when things are lacking I can easily install other tools and libraries with homebrew or macports (though not as easily as on Linux).


Apple naming various things and then promoting them heavily doesn't bother me (it has never been as bad as say KDE where in the past pretty much every application started with the letter K, making searching for apps a right pain), though personally I wish that some features and applications on Windows were better named. Why would Microsoft have an application called "Windows 7 File Recovery" on Windows 8? But this is a minor point.


The Mac App Store with its curated and sandboxed apps is nice, I no longer need to check how many machines I can run an app on or whether its for multi-user use or not. Though unlike iOS I can still get whatever apps I need from outside the App Store.


I've been running Windows since 2.1x (no I do not mean 3.11) and have run most versions since then (Currently I have 7 and 8 on hardware and a few vm's with other versions).
But simply I don't find it as easy to use, which is of-course personal preference.

I tend to find that first and third party applications don't work so well together, and I'm not talking about metro (or whatever its called now) apps which are pretty much isolated. To me with a few exceptions it has always felt as if you have each application doing its own thing on its own.

The malware situation on Windows is at-least far better than it used to be, to the point where I don't need to care about it. Same goes for system maintenance which really took the fun out of computing back in the days of 9x and XP. I don't remember the last time I've needed to Defragment which can only be a good thing.
However even now I sometimes find it hard to find decent up-to-date applications, that don't look like it was designed for Windows 95, and I'm still doing battle with Windows on my Samsung machine with regards to drivers and software for running certain pieces of hardware. Linux has been doing a better job at this in recent years.



Nowadays I use OS X for most things, Linux for certain technical and server related tasks, and Windows for some specific Windows only applications.

Ultimately its just like whether you prefer Pepsi or Cola, some like one, some like the other and other people don't care either way. If you've tried it and don't like it, it's best to just leave it at that.
 
Thanks for your message and your comments, much appreciated. I, like you, have spent a fair bit of time learning how to do stuff on the Mac via Google and there are many great articles/videos, My point is that I'm struggling to find anything that's special about the Mac.

sigol....your having a good run here. Sometimes starting out like you did, it will brand you as looking for a fight in your hidden underlying line of thinking. Here in this Forum, you can find it less than sweet talk. If you are perceived as just spoofing the members into a unending game of let us argue about my ideas.

I did not do well with my first two iMacs years ago. I kept them right up until the return times were ending and back they went. I did not like talking at the Apple store and having them tell me.........if anything goes wrong after the warranty, it is expensive. You can't go out to the a store and by a generic sound card, video card and the like, it all comes from Apple. I know that before my purchase, maybe I was just not ready for it all. This time my wife said, if your going to take it back, don't get it. So I am committed to having a keeper...if it turns out to be a head banger...........I still want to learn the Apple song. MS has just pissed away my love for them with Win8 and the touchscreen release. Nothing wrong with sinking my teeth into a new enjoyment and sticking it out as I work out the bugs in my head and see OS X start to entertain me.

Years ago in a computer class the instructor said a sad thing about learning the in and outs of computers.......... you have to know the big picture, all of it, before you will understand. He was somewhat right.......there is more to learn than tuning it on, and tuning it off. Even ejecting a disc baffled me at first. Don't get upset, if you buy another Mac just out of curiosity that you might have missed something the first round in the Apple world.
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I have no idea why some people require to have other people tell them why they do like a product when they themselves don't. Just pick some other product next time around and move on. Why care about others liking something you don't?

Seriously, read my posts first. At what point did I say I wanted other people to tell me why they like their Mac? I am asking for differentiation here. I'm looking for somebody to show me clear, rational explanations of oft-used statements like "it just works" or "it just all knits together" and give me an example of where the pc "just doesn't work" and "doesn't knit together"

Others in this thread have managed to see that and I have no idea why some people can't. I suspect you guys are so used to seeing flame wars like "Mac sucks, PCs rule" that you tarnish everybody with the same brush.

What the hell is wrong with saying "I don't get it. I'd like to. It seems cool. But I don't get it. Sell me." ?

Is that so bad?
 
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Hi,
I really am struggling to understand why there is so much emotion around having a Mac and why Windows is hated by the Mac community so much [...] The argument that Windows is not stable and so prone to viruses is very old [...] I run Windows on several servers, desktops and laptops. It runs great on everything I own. No Issue. EVER.
I don't think it's an emotional thing. I love my Mac, but I also love my Win8 PC. Those tiles just make me feel calm and peaceful. Some mac users go overboard, but so do some windows zealots. I think the core factor upon which the Mac builds its popularity, is because it's designed in a way that caters to human use, as opposed to catering to a bulleted list of features. E.g. Windows 7 (Vista?) offered vastly improved security compared to its predecessors, but they did it by blitzing you with security request popups. That may be an effective way to implement a feature, but it doesn't make the OS a joy to use.

I find the Mac 10.1 (500 GB HD, Mountain Lion) 4GB RAM pretty slow. [...] In contrast, I have a virtually identical spec Windows PC - runs like a dream.

[Skeuomorphic apps are dumb].

I REALLY CANNOT get used to this ridiculous touchy mousy thingy. [...]
I will agree that Windows performance on identically specced machines seems punchier, but I feel the Mac's performance tends to be "smoothed" out a bit. I sometimes see tearing when moving windows in Windows. I never see that on a Mac. I think your disdainful take on skeuomorphic apps (like Calendar) is very subjective. Of course, you would find some strong allies at Apple who share your opinion (like head designer Jony Ive), so I suspect this will disappear soon. That said, I kind of like them. I'll be sad to see them go. I don't think skeuomorphism is there to help stupid people, it's to help differentiate visually. When I have a bunch of windows open and they are all following identical design guildlines, it all just blurs into a visual mess of near-identical look & feel. If the apps each have individual skeuomorphic themes, it's easier to pick them out visually. Of course this only holds true if each app has its own skeuomorphic personality. If _everything_ is brushed metal or leather & parchment, then there's no advantage, and I would agree that's kind of silly.

I really am struggling to find anything at all you can do on a Mac that you can't do equally well (or better) on Windows. [...] I personally think ITunes is one of the worst-designed pieces of professional software ever. It's JUST AWFUL.
* It's a lot easier to connect to non-public wifi access points on the Mac. Just click the icon in the toolbar and pick "other network" and type its name. On Windows, you have to go through several dialogs to add a "known network".

* Setting up international input settings is a lot easier on Mac. I was trying to set up pinyin style input for traditional chinese for a friend's aunt, and could not figure it out. There were several chinese input methods, sure, but I couldn't figure out the right combination--although I know it's possible because I've seen it elsewhere.. Plus, the mac does it easily.

* expose is very nice on the mac. You can use it in mid-drag during drag & drop operations in order to, say, drag something from the desktop to an open window that was right on top of what you wanted to drag into it. I haven't occasioned to need to do that in win8 yet, but in win7 and earlier it wasn't practical without add-ons. In fact I don't think I figured out how to do it with add-ons, either. Since the zoomed out windows were more of a layer with representations of the windows (instead of shrunken versions of the windows themselves), they weren't reliably compatible with drag & drop.

* os x comes with apache & many other LAMP stack open source tools out of the box. If you're a web developer working in, say, PHP or Python, Mac is ready to go without any additional downloads. Windows requires you to pick a windowsy flavor of those tools and install it.

* icloud connectivity works well on the mac. Back to my Mac is particularly nice when you are dealing with computers on remote networks (e.g. home to work).

It makes me laugh every time I see a feature in the Mac that Apple has put an "i" in front of, or give it a fancy name, to claim it's theirs. "Expose" - it's a desktop manager. Brilliant. "Mission Control" - it's a menu with programs in it. Brilliant. "Time Machine" - previous versions of files. Brilliant.

Am I missing something, or does this sound like the Marketing Department gets the bulk of the budget at Apple?
It sounds like you're distilling capabilities into bullet points, and losing a lot of substance when you do so. Yeah, they both have desktop managers, just like how a Honda Civic and a Lexus LS both have speedometers and adjustable seats. Expose offers much more functionality out of the box for window management than win7, yet it retains a simplicity of use that bogs down many third party add-ons. Many windows features are like this, burying features behind many dialog boxes.

The usefulness of many apps is in their design. Time machine is a lot easier to use than, say, SuperDuper (another fairly nice mac app). SuperDuper may have more features, but if you just want a simple backup plus the ability to recover stuff you accidentally trash, I haven't seen a simpler way than Time Machine. TM makes it very clear what you're doing.

[...] It doesn't even have a built-in software uninstaller! (e.g. Windows Add/Remove programs) That's not particularly advanced, is it?

I hear in Mountain Lion one of the "key features" is that you can now have full-screen apps. Windows has had that since, well I can't remember how long ago it's that long ago.

And apparently in Mountain Lion, another "key feature" is the advanced App Store. I bet it is. More $$$.
For most apps, you don't need an uninstaller. Just drag the app to the trash. That's the advised method of app deletion. Apps that do need one (e.g. VMware) come with one. One shouldn't ask "Why doesn't Mac have an uninstaller?", one should ask: "Why does Windows need a separate app deleter? Why can't you just delete the app?" It's unnecessary yet mandatory redundancy with no benefit.

As for full screen, Mac has had "full screen" apps forever also. All mac games have always gone full screen. The new "full screen" initiative is that Apple is adding UI modes to existing, windowed apps that optimizes them for full screen use as the only active app. E.g. on a projector or TV. Lots of windowed apps expect to be used in a windowed environment (i.e. they expect you can drag&drop things into them, or they don't expect to be run at mega-big resolutions), and when you full screen them, they work but look like crap. Apple's fullscreen apps are designed to look good and operate well at full screen.

IMO, I don't know if they are really succeeding at this task. I hardly ever use full screen mode. I never use it in Windows either. I like having 2+ apps onscreen at once. Could just be me.

The store's "advanced feature" is sandboxing and curation. Apple realizes that as it becomes more popular, it will be a higher priority virus & malware target, so instead of being "whatever" about it, they're being proactive. For power users, nobody cares about the app store. But for casual users, this is good. And remember, plenty of apps in the app store are free, so it's not like this is solely a money grab.

What I particularly dislike is Apple's very aggressive and domineering stance when it comes to things like the AppStore and having open protocols, etc. Everything is closed - everything goes through Apple. This used to be one of the biggest criticisms of Microsoft - but they have changed SO MUCH in the last few years. They are really embracing open source technologies. Their flagship development framework is totally open source, for example.
Disagree. Microsoft's app store for win8 seems just as "bad". And you're talking about your iMac, so please stay on topic. You can download apps from anywhere or install them from any typical computer medium. Apple's support of open protocols has been pretty stellar in my experience. OS X includes Apache, VNC, SSH etc.. out of the box. Windows includes windows-proprietary equivalents. Ignoring existing standards and open-sourcing your own stuff doesn't really count as supporting open protocols, IMO.

On the contrary, Apple seem to be adopting the opposite approach with the AppStore, for example. I know I'm talking about the iOS specifically here, but they have single-handedly killed off Flash by not allowing it in to iOS. You may argue that's a good thing - but what right did they have for doing that?
So first you attack Apple for not supporting open standards, and now you poo-poo them for not embracing a proprietary web technology? It seems like you just don't like anything they do. Are you sure you're not flamebaiting? Flash was and continues to be extremely ill-suited to mobile phones. Even if you ignore the battery life and cpu expense that Apple frequently cited, many flash plugins required a keyboard and/or mouse-hover functionality, neither of which (particularly the mouse hover) can be done well on a touchscreen.

Also, Flash was perfectly welcome to continue to exist. If it was really that awesome, Adobe would have stood by it, and it would have done well. Apple did not have the authority or the power to kill it. As we all know there are more android phones out there anyway. If Adobe thought it was worth the time and expense, it'd still exist. It was an ill-concieved bid for power by Adobe, and they were hoping Apple would expend time and money on their behalf to get it to work. Apple simply didn't want to roll uphill for something that served nobody's purpose but Adobe's.

Are you saying you wish Flash supplanted HTML5? Because the two are essentially at odds, inasmuch as Flash could do everything and more that open-standards like HTML5 are trying to achieve in a more open way.

Anyway, this was supposed to be about my iMac, so let's get back to that.

My *honest* opinion is this:

The iMac looks cool. I mean it really does. It's gorgeous - a work of art.

But isn't that it? Is there more function behind the form, that I'm just not seeing?

Like I said at the start, I WANT to love my iMac - that's where all the apparently cool kids are these days. But I JUST DON'T GET IT.

So, please convince me. What is it I'm missing?

Thanks.

No need to convince you. It's just a computer. If you want a Windows machine, buy a copy of Windows, use Boot camp, and then enjoy a really good-looking windows machine.

Objectively speaking, I'd say OS X is far better at unix/linux integration. Most of my development is on the web, and most of my hosts are unix, so OS X is a _much_ better fit for working with these machines. If I was using windows, it'd be harder to maintain consistency moving stuff between my home and work environments.

Ultimately, they are both capable OS's. I think most of the OS X advantage is in the little things. I can only mention examples, and they may mean little to you, at least at first blush.

For example, I like having a single menubar up top, rather than wasting real-estate in each app for individual menu bars, when I can only click on one of them at a time anyway.

I hate the Windows control panel. It's just a mess. Even when I know what I'm looking for it's hard to find stuff in it. Combine that with the fact that despite the fact it has a million icons, half the stuff you expect to find in there is under Administrator Tools and Computer Management. System Prefs is much cleaner.

*I* find it far simpler to make my computer into a hotspot. Just Systemprefs->sharing->"share internet" Done.

No windows key = more functionality for keyboard shortcuts + no accidental hitting of the windows key which usually removes focus from the window I'm in and messes me up. I hate when I bump the windows key when doing copy/paste work into documents or during games.

I like how, when in a find dialog box (and NOT using spotlight), you can just keying the name of the icon you're after (more than just the first letter, as long as you do it fast enough) and it will land on the icon that matches what you typed.

And speaking of Spotlight, it seems to be faster and more effective than windows search, in my experience.

Having a "cmd-H" and "alt-cmd-H" to hide current or other windows functionality is superior to a stretch-to-fullscreen icon (which never looks good anyway), IMO.

A lot of the stuff you poo-poo'ed earlier, like expose and spaces, work more fluidly on the mac. Since everything in OS X is basically a 3D object, using these functions just "zooms out", as if in a game. The zooming happens very fast and you can manipulate things in predictable ways since they have the same properties. In Windows, when you do this (usually via a third party app since many of these features aren't built-in) the UI for interacting with the zoomed objects is less consistent. You can't always drag and drop where you'd expect. Performance in these windows equivalents can be a bit hit or miss. Expose is designed to be relied upon as a workhorse key(s). If it's sluggish at all, you won't want to use it.

also, you can hit shift- while hitting an expose key, and that will make things unnecessarily slow. It's just silly, but fun when you're bored.

There's really nothing to "get". If you're a windows guru, and you like windows, I'd say that makes you biased in the the way that a skilled person prefers to use his skills. Just as a skiier who really enjoys skiing isn't necessarily going to be impressed by trying out snowboarding, and spending most of the day impacting their tailbones and wiping snow off their butts. To get the full experience, you're going to have to "unlearn" (temporarily) what you know, and learn a new thing. There are many direct equivalents between the two OS's, but to a certain extent, they have different ways of working, and if you try to carry yourself expecting to find 1:1 equivalents for everything you need, you're going to fail in the same way that directly translating chinese into english tends to fail.
 
I just switched to a mac from windows 7. I spent a lot of years in the tech world as a techie, and the windows platform fit my techie world. The problem was when I just wanted to get a task done an mac was a far better tool.

I am not super impressed with my Imac 27. I bought it do to do video work and suspect the move to professional based tools is more than I wanted to work with, but it needed to be done. Since my applications final cut pro X and dreamweaver are far more advanced the the applications I was using on the window platform I have no way to judge.

I don't miss the technical issues my windows platform was always having, but the trade off was limited applications in the mac platform. I am not sure for the money it was worth it, but it is a step up as a tool.

Hi, thanks for your message. Appreciated. In what ways did you feel it was a "far better tool" ? Can you give me some examples of how the iMac better served you, coming from a PC background?

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Well, honest, it's ok not to like Macs even to prefer Windows ;) My history with Macs and Windows is even longer than yours and I've watched both companies learn from each other as the years have gone by.

For me, the focus of both companies has been to sell more stuff by integrating more and more functionality, making a more powerful platform for their own software and finally, by hiding the complexity of managing a computer, network etc.

Now, in the past Microsoft tackled some of these things in an overly aggressive manner (remember Netscape?) and their reputation has not been completely cleaned, even though it is mostly ancient history. Apple had the advantage of being the plucky outsider for a lot of that time. But, that was perhaps why you saw the $oft - some people have long memories :)

Fast forward to the present and I sit here with a Windows 7 laptop on my left and an iMac on my right. They are both equally good at doing the stuff I give them (apart from the Dell's distressing habit of spontaneously powering itself off). But, to my mind, the Mac does a better job hiding the complex stuff from me. Windows 7 for all its wizards seems to be only a thin veneer over painful time consuming activities (yes, I still have to use regedit).

As a techie, neither environment gets in my way and neither the Windows command prompt or a Linux terminal are particularly frightening. But, when I just want to get things done, I'd rather just get them done on my Mac.

Thanks for your perspective. Very interesting. I'm getting that vibe a lot, that the Mac is better at hiding complex stuff, perhaps that's one reason why people love their Mac. Perhaps I like seeing the complex stuff? Who knows! Thanks.
 
I have used Windows from day one till 2006. I was frustrated enough to dump Windows and switch to Mac. When I did that, I wasn't too happy at first, could not adapt to Mac and briefly switched back to Windows again. Then in 2009 I made a second switch back to Mac, and this time it was permanent.

I still use Windows occasionally for specific programs through Parallels but 99% of the time, I am quite happy with my Mac and OS X. I don't think I will ever go back to Windows.

Here is what I find unique and superior about a Mac compared to a PC running Windows:

1) Trackpad - No trackpad comes even close to Apple's trackpad with multi gestures. In fact I no longer use a mouse! For the desktop I use the Magic Trackpad and on my Air, the built-in trackpad is fantastic. Even using Photoshop or video editing, I never use a mouse any more. I may be a little out of the ordinary in this respect but mouse as a UI device is dead for me.

2) Spotlight - OS X's integrated search engine is far superior to Windows' search engine and I always find what I'm looking for much faster and much more accurately on my Mac, particularly in Mail.

3) Ease of configuring peripheral devices. - Every time I plug a new USB hard drive to a Windows machine, it searches for a driver and sometimes fail. These problems are mostly a thing of the past with Win 7 onwards but I have seen enough failed attempts in the past with odd printers and scanners. With Mac, I hardly need to do anything. Mac is a lot more plug and play friendly compared to a PC.

4) Better integration between the hardware and the OS on a Mac. In fact I find it hard to believe anyone complaining about the speed of a Mac running OS X especially if you are using a flash drive or SSD. My experience was always positive.

5) I don't bother with virus software anymore and during the past 5 years I never had a single virus or a malware on any of my Mac's (we have 4 Macs in our house). Not having a Registry like structure and a shared DLL library is technically much better in that respect.

6) Sleep and wake-up - This is one thing Windows failed miserably all these years and really annoyed me to no end. Especially if you close the lid on a Windows machine and within a second or less, you open the lid again because you just remembered to do one more thing. With Windows, this action usually sends the machine into a coma or a Zombie state. With a Mac, open and close the lid as you like and the machine never goes into frenzy.

7) Install and remove programs - Always an adventure with Windows while a simple drag and drop with a Mac.

All of the above explanations are based on my personal experience and because of them "I get it" regarding what's all the fuss is about.

You may have a different experience and a different opinion or a preference, which could make you say that "you don't get it", and nothing is wrong with that.

The fastest road is the one you know best, and the best computer is the one you feel most comfortable with.
 
Having used Windows for many years, then Linux on my work machine, I went between Linux and Windows 7 on my Dell laptop. Linux gave me the responsiveness and usability, but with little annoyances and things not being "quite right". Windows 7 frustrated me; it felt slow, always wanted to install updates, but had fewer little annoyances. I alternated between Linux and Windows 7 every few weeks, never feeling comfortable.

The final straw was one evening, with Windows on the laptop. I got in from work, and wanted to check my email and look something up on the Web. I didn't have a tablet, and my HTC Hero was dire ;)

I switched on the laptop and it took a few minutes to boot. Then it installed updates. Then it rebooted. Then it installed more updates. Then it rebooted. This took around 15 mins, after which I'd forgotten what I wanted to check/look up online, so I just shut it down and gave up.

Shortly after, as soon as the Sandy Bridge laptops came out, I got my 13" MBP, from which I type this now. I've never looked back. I ditched my work Linux machine for another 13" MBP, and can get my job done much more efficiently. My girlfriend had a Dell Windows 7 laptop until recently. After seeing my Mac, and how nice it is to use, how well it is designed, and how reliable it is, she decided that Macs were the best for her too. She's just bought an 11" Haswell Air, and she loves it.

To sum up - I realise that my "update" example is an extreme case, and that probably doesn't happen all the time, but that was the final nail in the coffin for me. As I said, I'd already been obsessively switching between Win7 and Linux, and could never get comfortable. That said, I can see how OSX is not for everyone, especially Mountain Lion. Maybe Mavericks will make you feel a bit better about the iMac when it's out? I have to agree with simsaladimbamba and bingeciren though - use whatever you feel comfortable with, and like a lot of things in life, if you have to force it, it's probably not for you!

The iMacs are beautiful though. This black Dell monitor hooked up to my 13" MBP sure looks ugly in comparison. Think I'll be getting an iMac rather soon!

Hope things work out for you, one way or another :)
 
I have used Windows from day one till 2006. I was frustrated enough to dump Windows and switch to Mac. When I did that, I wasn't too happy at first, could not adapt to Mac and briefly switched back to Windows again. Then in 2009 I made a second switch back to Mac, and this time it was permanent.

Great - just the experience I'm looking for, and thank you for taking the time to detail genuine ways in which you differentiate the Mac.

1) Trackpad - No trackpad comes even close to Apple's trackpad with multi gestures. In fact I no longer use a mouse! For the desktop I use the Magic Trackpad and on my Air, the built-in trackpad is fantastic. Even using Photoshop or video editing, I never use a mouse any more. I may be a little out of the ordinary in this respect but mouse as a UI device is dead for me.

Fair comment. I've used one on another machine for a few minutes. Did seem quite good. Will check it out more.

2) Spotlight - OS X's integrated search engine is far superior to Windows' search engine and I always find what I'm looking for much faster and much more accurately on my Mac, particularly in Mail.

Excellent - TOTALLY agree. I've just compared the two stock search features, and you're right. Spotlight is faster and seems to find stuff better than the Start button search field. That's definitely one-nil to Mac.

3) Ease of configuring peripheral devices. - Every time I plug a new USB hard drive to a Windows machine, it searches for a driver and sometimes fail. These problems are mostly a thing of the past with Win 7 onwards but I have seen enough failed attempts in the past with odd printers and scanners. With Mac, I hardly need to do anything. Mac is a lot more plug and play friendly compared to a PC.

Hmm perhaps I've not had enough experience of Macs to comment on how Macs do it, but I have never really had a significant issue with Windows and PlugNPlay. And if the driver isn't there, it always tends to find it in Windows Update anyway. But again, that's my experience.

I know that NTFS is a Microsoft spec, but I don't like the way Macs can't write to NTFS formatted USB drives. Seems a shame and don't see what the limitation is. But that's a different story. I'm sure there's countless Apple standards that Windows doesn't support - so fair enough.

4) Better integration between the hardware and the OS on a Mac. In fact I find it hard to believe anyone complaining about the speed of a Mac running OS X especially if you are using a flash drive or SSD. My experience was always positive.

I have to agree with you in terms of integration between h/w and o/s. At the end of the day, you're plugging Apple in to Apple. Windows relies on the hardware it's installed on. Perhaps we'll see in the coming months and years as Microsoft start building their own hardware.

But I do stand by my original statement that, for me, two identically spec'ed machines tend to run Windows 7 faster than OS X Mountain Lion. Can't comment on Windows 8, as I have not upgraded yet.

5) I don't bother with virus software anymore and during the past 5 years I never had a single virus or a malware on any of my Mac's (we have 4 Macs in our house). Not having a Registry like structure and a shared DLL library is technically much better in that respect.

Actually, believe it or not, neither do I. Windows is orders of magnitude more hardened these days that Windows 95, 98, XP days.

6) Sleep and wake-up - This is one thing Windows failed miserably all these years and really annoyed me to no end. Especially if you close the lid on a Windows machine and within a second or less, you open the lid again because you just remembered to do one more thing. With Windows, this action usually sends the machine into a coma or a Zombie state. With a Mac, open and close the lid as you like and the machine never goes into frenzy.

Have to agree with you. Excellent point. Boot up/shut down/sleep/resume have always taken way too long in Windows. To be fair, Windows 8 is very very good, but it's by no means "instant on". Very fair comment.

7) Install and remove programs - Always an adventure with Windows while a simple drag and drop with a Mac.

Maybe it's just that I'm particularly careful of what I install, but I really don't get the uninstall 'adventure' that people talk about in Windows. So, I'm not sure I can agree with you on this particular point.

All of the above explanations are based on my personal experience and because of them "I get it" regarding what's all the fuss is about.

You may have a different experience and a different opinion or a preference, which could make you say that "you don't get it", and nothing is wrong with that.

The fastest road is the one you know best, and the best computer is the one you feel most comfortable with.

Absolutely excellent post. Thank you very much. You have certainly made some strong points there where Mac does fair better than Windows. Found it hard to disagree with many of your points.

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Long post gets long response.

Hi, thanks for your very comprehensive reply. I've got to sign out for the night but your post deserves a reply, so I'll pick up tomorrow. Thanks.
 
Hi, thanks for your very comprehensive reply. I've got to sign out for the night but your post deserves a reply, so I'll pick up tomorrow. Thanks.
No worries. I never post hoping for a reply (unless I'm writing the original post, obviously).

The whole topic is touchy-feely anyway. Both OS's--particularly with additional software--are equally capable for the vast majority of people, and have been that way since before Windows even came out (DeluxePaint for DOS was awesome!)

If you bought a Mac, as a skeptic, hoping it will just overtly convince you of its awesomeness, I don't think that's going to happen. You'll just have to start using it and learning it, and see if it grows on you.
 
Many of your points are legacy arguments that Mac users had over Windows--Windows was unstable, not secure, not good for design or pro video work.

Most of these arguments are, as you said, gone now. You can do pro video and design work with Adobe CS or CC or Avid on Windows now. The platform is stable and reliable and in some cases, performs better than Macs.

The points about folks "loving" their Mac and having an emotional connection come from that same time period. Back in the late 80s and early 90s when Macs "just worked". I'd say some of this was re-born with the return of Steve Jobs and the middle versions of Mac OS X (like 10.3-10.7).

Also, many legacy Mac users resented MS and Windows for stealing much of the Mac UI (nevermind that Apple *borrowed* from PARC).

From 2001 - 2009 I was doing a lot of prosumer video editing. I used my Mac and created many projects for family, school and other clubs. I would burn 50 DVDs of each individual project. Everything worked seamlessly and without crashes or issues. In my experience, that would not have been the case on Windows XP or Vista during those years.

Macs with OS X and iLife were a great tool for home users for photos, videos and music. That is what most people want to do with their computers.

I have an i5 iMac with latest OS and 12GB RAM. There are times that I get terribly frustrated with the slowness of the machine and/or OS. It seems slower than my iMac G4 running Panther. But I still love my Mac...
 
I've been a windows user since 95 and last year got my first Mac. Lots of things took a lot of getting used to. It doesn't help that I still use Windows 7 all day at work. However I am now getting my head round to the Mac way and I much prefer it.

I guess you will have to make up your own mind, but being a 'techie' you will need to unlearn all those Window habits you have developed.

Lots of people hate the MM but once you get used to it, it works for me (my hands are huge btw). Again it's just personal taste. Other mice are available.
 
I'm also a techie and developer, so I can give you some of the reasons I switched and am sticking with mac.

First is that mac just seems to have what I need all ready to go while windows requires a 3rd party download which gives you some adware half the time. It's always been that way, my powerbook g4 would play dvds out of the box, windows at the time required installing 3rd party paid software. I plugged the same macbook into a TV it just worked, the windows machine at the time needed new drivers and took hours to get working right.

Fast forward to today, I often need to mount iso files these days. The mac just mounts it, windows needs 3rd party software again which is much more clunky. I don't have office, but my work schedules are given in word format. My MICROSOFT windows machine won't even open the proprietary MICROSOFT file. My mac quite happily opens it up in preview. I take a lot of pictures and shoot in raw format, Windows it totally blind to the format, in MacOS, the thumbnails show up in the file manager and preview displays the files.

Yet somehow the mac manages to feel sleek and streamlined while windows feels clunky and bloated with too many different programs that are all useless.

Windows has several versions with silly limitations so you're either stuck with a poorer experience or have to pay extra hundreds of dollars, Apple gives everyone the whole OS.

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From a developer point of view. Windows dev tools (visual studio), costs thousands of dollars. Apple gives theirs away for free, and then charges $100/year only if you want to use their app store and get beta access to their software (again one, cheap, streamlined option while microsoft is very confusing what you pay and what you get).

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From a usability point of view, mac really does work smoothly, I currently have 5 open desktops/apps I can slide between with a smooth finger gesture. The web browser, an open file manager, photoshop, indesign, and adobe bridge. All are just a quick finger gesture away. At this point, using windows feels like I have a hand tied behind my back. I can't go back to a web browser that doesn't have gestures for back and forward, for moving between tabs, etc.

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I can't even say anything about windows 8 except it's the best thing that ever happened to Apple.
 
Don't see a point of this thread. Anyway, I will bite on. First of all, the OP is complaining about a four year old machine. Of course its slow. Maybe you should try a latest model with tiered storage and gaming-level GPU? And honestly, I stopped reading at 'iTunes is the worst professional software' - its not a professional software, its a media catalogue/player. And I don't know a single Windows application that would do a better job at organising your music. Anyway, as a techie, you have your particular needs. Either the mac meets them or not. I am a techie myself, and that is the precise reason why I use a mac - its UNIX. I can do stuff with it which would be very cumbersome with Windows.
 
iTunes not so bad

Would like to mention something about iTunes. I recently purchased a professional training course in mp3 format on CD. CD you say? Well, it was an older item the vendor had in stock, but it was the course I needed. So when it arrived, it would not work on my PC laptop, so I hooked up my external DVD/Blu-Ray player to my Mac Mini. I have some 3rd party audio players installed. I can't even remember. They have a simpler interface and such than iTunes, so I try to use them. None of them would play it. So I tried iTunes. It says, "Repairing Damaged File" and then ... it worked! Saved me a bunch of time in terms of return and replace or refund, and also I needed the professional education credits by August 23rd so I might have been in a bit of a bind.
 
Switched to Mac a few month ago. Using an XP laptop for excusively audio processing and every other OS on my everyday use laptop for many years I'm happy to have made the switch.

Before I didn't want to have anything to do with Apple, their overpriced products and their "elitist" users. But now I have a Mac I, unlike you, do "get it".

It's hard to explain why I get it, but I do know I got tired of fixing problems on my audio laptop which I only went on the internet for updating:hardware conflicts, audioclicks and pops, BSOD, temperature problems which confused my fans. Spending too much time solving problems instead of making music took awa7y my pleasure in making music.

Don't get me started on my everyday laptop.You menioned Apple killed flash? Well I have to agree with Steve Jobs on this one, because It's eating up my CPU making my laptop slow and unstable:

Those wonderfull "not responding" messages.........
 
Mac v Windows

Mac OS, Mac Applications >>>intuitive
Windows OS, Windows Apps >>>NOT intuitive
That's it in a nutshell.
 
I find the Mac 10.1 (500 GB HD, Mountain Lion) 4GB RAM pretty slow. All I hear is the hard drive chugging away, like nothing is ever cached. In contrast, I have a virtually identical spec Windows PC - runs like a dream.

These machines are crippled by the slow hard disk drives. Same deal with the current Mac mini…

A solid state state drive will greatly improve performance.
 
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