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Cider

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Sep 10, 2006
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Liverpool
M-X said:
So i'm pulling the trigger tonight, following spec:

Keep us posted M-X, I'd love to hear how the 24" handles gaming.

You raised most of the questions I was mulling over, but one that I 'd really love to hear about is how well the 24" screen handles being run at a lower resolution. Most flatscreens seem to have a 'sweetspot' for resolutions, and go fuzzy when run outside of that. Feedback on this point for the 24" (or actually any of the iMac screens) would be much appreciated.

Rhys.

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G5 iMac - 17" PPC
 

slffl

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Mar 5, 2003
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If games are a priority then I would say build a regular PC. Otherwise since cost doesn't seem to be a concern, the 24" is a no brainer.

And BTW Cider, the 'sweetspot' is DVI running at the monitors native rez :) . Anything else is going to be 'fuzzy'.
 

Cider

macrumors newbie
Sep 10, 2006
16
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Liverpool
slffl said:
And BTW Cider, the 'sweetspot' is DVI running at the monitors native rez :) . Anything else is going to be 'fuzzy'.

My understanding was that some monitors handle interpolation better than others - it's how Apple's range fares at this that interests me (or whether I'm mistaken in this belief, chuckle)

I do have to agree that my current PPC G5 is fuzzy at anything other than stock 1440 x 900 :)
 

Every Day

macrumors newbie
Mar 12, 2006
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I play some games, and am trying to decide if the 7600/24" is worth the extra... but now I'm afraid the 24" is too big for my desk! :(

I just don't want an over-towering monitor in front of me..and it would be nice to save the $500

I'm leaning towards the 256MB X1600/2.16MHz/20" for now. I think it will have plenty of performance for just Photoshop, surfing, videos and some games.

The X1600 will be fine for games like WoW and Doom 3 right?
 

BrutX

macrumors newbie
Sep 17, 2006
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Has anyone done a more "fair" comparison of the x1600 performance to the 7600GT? Specifically, with the same processor speed and same amount of VRAM? It seems like most comparisons, including the one on apple.com, unfairly pit a 2.33GHz iMac / 7600GT / 256 MB against a 2.16GHz iMac / x1600 / 128 MB. Theoretically the 7600GT should be a better GPU, but I want to see some real-world numbers. I'm in a similar situation to the OP trying to decide between a 20" and 24" iMac, and I'm trying to decide whether the extra $500+ (it's a bit more than $500 because the GPU upgrade on the 24" is more than the upgrade on the 20").

I really want an apples-to-apples comparison, considering that i would probably get the same CPU speed and the same amount of VRAM with either option. The 7600GT is really the only reason I'm considering a 24".

It would also be great to see a comparison as I mentioned above, but with each machine running the monitor at its native res. If the 7600GT's advantage is negated by the extra pixels, I'd rather just stick to the 20" model and save the $500.
 

mrgreen4242

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Feb 10, 2004
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BrutX said:
Has anyone done a more "fair" comparison of the x1600 performance to the 7600GT? Specifically, with the same processor speed and same amount of VRAM? It seems like most comparisons, including the one on apple.com, unfairly pit a 2.33GHz iMac / 7600GT / 256 MB against a 2.16GHz iMac / x1600 / 128 MB. Theoretically the 7600GT should be a better GPU, but I want to see some real-world numbers. I'm in a similar situation to the OP trying to decide between a 20" and 24" iMac, and I'm trying to decide whether the extra $500+ (it's a bit more than $500 because the GPU upgrade on the 24" is more than the upgrade on the 20").

I really want an apples-to-apples comparison, considering that i would probably get the same CPU speed and the same amount of VRAM with either option. The 7600GT is really the only reason I'm considering a 24".

It would also be great to see a comparison as I mentioned above, but with each machine running the monitor at its native res. If the 7600GT's advantage is negated by the extra pixels, I'd rather just stick to the 20" model and save the $500.

I've been looking for some "good" benchmarks too. I'd like to see the 17" IMac w. x1600 128mb @ native, vs 20" x1600 w/ 128mb AND 256mb @ native, and the 24" w/ 7300 and 7600 @ native rez.

I'm really interested to see:

1) how big a hit the x1600 128mb takes going from 17" to 20",
2) how much difference the 256mb makes on the the 20",
3) wether the 7300 can drive the 24" on par with the x1600 on the 20" (both at native res), and
4) how much better the 7600 is than the x1600 256mb on the 24" vs 20" at native resolution.

The 24" is, honestly, out of my price range, and the 17" is to small, so the 20" is my only real option, and I'd like to see if VRAM is worth the money and the extra wait. (I can get the EDU discount from Apple, so $1467 for the 256mb, or I can get a 10% business discount at a local Mac retailer through work, so $1350 for the stock model since I would have to buy off the shelf).

I'm still interested to see the comparison just because, of course. EDIT: I looked more carefully at the benchmarks at barefeats comparing the C2D and CD 20" iMacs, and the C2D they tested had 128mb VRAM while the CD had 256... the C2D was faster in every gaming benchmark, which indicates that VRAM is not a bottleneck for the majority of games out there... might not be worth the ~$125 (in my situation).
 

ngm

macrumors newbie
Sep 29, 2006
5
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Porto, Portugal
M-X said:
However one though is maybe to run at a lower res on the 24" but disable stretching (i assume you can do that in os x as well?) so say you play at 1650x1050 on the 24" but don't stretch the image, it would still look good and give you roughly 20" of viewable area. Making in my book the 24" the better by, as it will outperform the 20" with the x1600.

Hi M-X, so how's the gamming experience with the iMac 24"?

Is it possible to avoid screen interpolation when using lower resolutions than the native one and use black bands around the screen instead?

Thanks,
ngm
 

MacProGuy

macrumors regular
Aug 16, 2006
137
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ViveLeLivre said:
Check this out: in High Quality 1900 x 1200 benchmarks, the 7600GT w/ 256 never drops below 40 FPS - blows the x1600 out of the water.

This is a nobrainer.


I don't know why so many people are beholden to the ATI x1600 card... it really is mediocre at best. Quite honestly, the 7600 GT is middle-of-the pack on the PC Side...

It's a nice upgrade, and the power of that card over the x1600 is like going from a v6 Mustang to a 6.0L GTO... just... well, no contest.

Arguing that the x1600 has any merit if you play games at all is just silly in my humble opine.
 

MacProGuy

macrumors regular
Aug 16, 2006
137
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Oh, and just in case you missed it...

Check out the latest FPS with the latest WOW patch and 10.4.8 on the 7600GT on the 24"

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:eek: :D :cool:

yeah, it'll do... it'll do...
 
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