iMAC pro

[badlydrawnboy]

I definitely don't need the power of the iMac Pro, but I'm wondering why Apple is only doing a 1080p FaceTime camera with it and not the normal iMacs? Seems to me that the people that order the iMac Pros will not necessarily be those that would benefit most from a 1080p FaceTime camera. Why hobble the iMac with an inferior camera? In the age of YouTube videos, podcasting, Zoom, etc., there's no reason to still have a 720p camera on the normal iMac.

 

[RuffDraft]

December is what Apple said at WWDC in June.

I know, but you can also sign up for the 'latest', and if the iMac Pro just suddenly drops with no forewarning, I'm going to be pretty miffed if I'm not in within the first minute. I've been waiting for the next desktop 'pro' model for over two years, I need as much forewarning as iPhone nuts get for the X.
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I definitely don't need the power of the iMac Pro, but I'm wondering why Apple is only doing a 1080p FaceTime camera with it and not the normal iMacs? Seems to me that the people that order the iMac Pros will not necessarily be those that would benefit most from a 1080p FaceTime camera. Why hobble the iMac with an inferior camera? In the age of YouTube videos, podcasting, Zoom, etc., there's no reason to still have a 720p camera on the normal iMac.

I do business through my camera via Skype, so I'm pleased it's going to be a decent one. I see business as needing the best possible camera that Apple can provide. Whether that's the case or not with this one, we'll wait and see. You may find the 720p one, with larger photosites, produces a better image in low light. Either way, I agree. This is one aspect of the iMac Pro that I couldn't care less about, but I still think for £5K, we deserve the best possible one.

 

[monokakata]

Wow. You're such an unbelievable jerk. Clearly English isn't your first language, so any misunderstandings of the use of subtlety and sarcasm by you could easily be forgiven. But you're just being a jerk, and it doesn't matter what language is native to you.

I'm going to gently defend artivideo.nl. This isn't really a matter of speaking a language. It's a matter of not knowing that a particular phrase ("if you have to ask . . . ") is almost always used as a joke, or as a "throws hands up in the air" phrase. We know that. But a person can have an excellent command of English, even in its sarcastic flavors, and simply not know that a particular phrase is not typically used condescendingly. And if you don't know that, it does sound pretty mean.

Note that I said "gently." Certainly I could be wrong about the OP. But speaking as a person who's made his share of gaffes in foreign languages not by using the wrong words, but by using words in inappropriate contexts, I'm reluctant to come down hard on him.

 

[USAntigoon]

I'm going to gently defend artivideo.nl. This isn't really a matter of speaking a language. It's a matter of not knowing that a particular phrase ("if you have to ask . . . ") is almost always used as a joke, or as a "throws hands up in the air" phrase. We know that. But a person can have an excellent command of English, even in its sarcastic flavors, and simply not know that a particular phrase is not typically used condescendingly. And if you don't know that, it does sound pretty mean.

Note that I said "gently." Certainly I could be wrong about the OP. But speaking as a person who's made his share of gaffes in foreign languages not by using the wrong words, but by using words in inappropriate contexts, I'm reluctant to come down hard on him.

I am somewhat in your corner on this issue. I speak Dutch (my native tongue) and can understand what the OP was trying to say..It was not meant to be a sarcastic but more to be interpreted as an ironic remark. I will be the last one to critique people trying to express themselves using another language.

 

[FreeAngel]

A pity you answer in such a lofty way !!! I never mentioned something about price. Sounds like you are frustrated or jelaous you can not afford it yourself. Don't project it onto other people. Regering "just HD", for my purposes I don't need 4k.

OH My are we Bitter
Waste your money on a iMac Pro
our Beloved President will have the economy just kicking! and everyone will be buying $5000 Dollar iMacs left and right
Especially since Trump just took away their Health Insurance
JOBS ARE NEXT
WE Lost 90,000 jobs last month or did you not notice??

 

[MacStu09]

Was not on the Apple website for a long time and i just saw they announced the iMACpro with upto 18 cores. I think it will be available in December. Did not see any thread about it on this forum. So my question is how will it compare speed wise for editing purposes (just full HD) compared to the present maxed out 27 inch iMAC ? I guess the MACpro will be also update soon after the iMACpro will be available else there is no market anymore for the MACro.

What type of editing? Straight-forward 1080p editing is so simple it can be done on most under $500 PC's with absolutely no hiccups and export times of 30 seconds on a 3 minute cut. So, with just basic editing, I'd assume you'd see almost no benefit at all moving up to the iMac Pro. If you do significant grading, work with a ton of models, and cut 4k video, the performance boost will be significant, however. Long story short : the iMac Pro would be pointless for simply cutting 1080p footage.

 

[Dave245]

I know, but you can also sign up for the 'latest', and if the iMac Pro just suddenly drops with no forewarning, I'm going to be pretty miffed if I'm not in within the first minute. I've been waiting for the next desktop 'pro' model for over two years

They are unlikely to sell out of the iMac Pro like they do with iPhones, but no they haven’t given a specific date for the iMac Pro or the Homepod either. I’m guessing if it’s released in early December then we might hear something at the end of November. It depends if evening is ready as well, there are different configurations, it starts at £5K for the base model all the way up to the 18 Core, no prices (except for the £5K base model) have been announced by Apple.

 

[BornAgainMac]

Why hobble the iMac with an inferior camera? In the age of YouTube videos, podcasting, Zoom, etc., there's no reason to still have a 720p camera on the normal iMac.

And what bothers me is that the cost between a 720p and 1080p camera for Apple in the iMac is likely very small difference (few bucks). It is not like Apple will sell 50 million of these things and they need to cut ever corner to maximize profit. And 4K web cams exist too so 1080p isn't bleeding edge.

 

[RuffDraft]

They are unlikely to sell out of the iMac Pro like they do with iPhones, but no they haven’t given a specific date for the iMac Pro or the Homepod either. I’m guessing if it’s released in early December then we might hear something at the end of November. It depends if evening is ready as well, there are different configurations, it starts at £5K for the base model all the way up to the 18 Core, no prices (except for the £5K base model) have been announced by Apple.

Unlikely? They didn't exactly get the Mac Pros out to everyone very well. I can see it being sold out for months. The market for this machine is quite large - arguably a lot larger than the one that fell to the Mac Pro 2013 - 'despite' being an all-in-one, this is the most powerful Mac to date. I know a lot of videographers who are readying themselves to purchase this machine on Day One and that's just a small market of creatives who will be after this.

We're most likely less than two months away from release, and yet we still don't know when it's coming out, what the price of each configuration will be etc. If they said, arriving, December 15th, which I think is a likely Friday release date, then at least we would all be like, "OK... that's the date"... it again feels like the 'pro market' just have to wait until December to learn anything more about a product that was announced a long while ago.

I know I'm being finicky and impatient, but it's a general feeling that we've all felt for too long prior to the announcement.

As a full time videographer, I'd like to know what the costs are up front so that I can adjust my budgets accordingly to afford the model that I'd like to buy on day one. E.g. advertising budgets prior to Christmas and how much money I can take from my business at the busiest time of the year. I can't adjust budgets a week before, because I'll have lost ad-opportunities along the way. I need time to plan for a big investment and for people not opting for the baseline £5K machine, it's frustrating and a guessing game as to how much money I should be allocating to this machine.
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And what bothers me is that the cost between a 720p and 1080p camera for Apple in the iMac is likely very small difference (few bucks). It is not like Apple will sell 50 million of these things and they need to cut ever corner to maximize profit. And 4K web cams exist too so 1080p isn't bleeding edge.

I agree that it's a weak point from a technological standpoint, but 4K isn't always a better solution. I'd still rather have a 1080p FaceTime camera than a 4K one due to the low-light performance boost that HD will bring vs 4K.

 

[Dave245]

Unlikely? They didn't exactly get the Mac Pros out to everyone very well. I can see it being sold out for months. The market for this machine is quite large - arguably a lot larger than the one that fell to the Mac Pro 2013 - 'despite' being an all-in-one, this is the most powerful Mac to date. I know a lot of videographers who are readying themselves to purchase this machine on Day One and that's just a small market of creatives who will be after this.

We're most likely less than two months away from release, and yet we still don't know when it's coming out, what the price of each configuration will be etc. If they said, arriving, December 15th, which I think is a likely Friday release date, then at least we would all be like, "OK... that's the date"... it again feels like the 'pro market' just have to wait until December to learn anything more about a product that was announced a long while ago.

I know I'm being finicky and impatient, but it's a general feeling that we've all felt for too long prior to the announcement

If your talking about the Mac Pro from 2013 then that has been a few years ago. It would depend on what you consider to be large because Apple themselves have said that the most popular machines to be used by Pro's are the MacBook Pro and then the iMac which is why they decided to do an iMac Pro in the first place because a lot of people like the all in one form factor, the Mac Pro will probably follow either next year or in 2019. Apple's website does have a "notify me" button so i'm assuming they will start to let people know, when they decide to do that only they know.

 

[theluggage]

I will be the last one to critique people trying to express themselves using another language.

...which was why - after being initially offended by artivideo.nl's apparently ad hominem response to my (I thought) inoffensive post - I noticed the significance of the ".nl", realised that they might have misunderstood the "If you need to ask..." thing and kept my own follow up to something tolerably civil (believe me, the first draft was pretty rude).

Still, on an international forum, the possibility of a misunderstanding is something that both sides should consider before reaching for the flame gun. You know when you're conversing in a second language - the person at the other end doesn't necessarily realise that.

 

[Samuelsan2001]

so do you just look for opportunities to feel butthurt or perhaps score internet brag points?

there is little value in a professional system which you cannot upgrade as technology permits so I myself see little to no value in proposed iMac Pro offerings. To be honest I believe it was only created because Apple was shamed into getting off their butts with the Mac Pro line. It is nothing more than a photoshop, if it were certainly a respected review site would have been allowed to at least play with it.

finally, why would anyone want so much heat in such a small area, especially next to a screen?

This is nonsense almost no companies/professionals upgrade computers, they just buy new ones when the warranty runs out.
The only people who really care about upgrading computers are enthusiasts gamers and people who don’t budget for tech replacement properly they are usually working for themselves.

As to heat, we have no info on that yet so let’s just see how apples new cooling system manages heat dispersal before you suggest it’s an issue.

I definitely don't need the power of the iMac Pro, but I'm wondering why Apple is only doing a 1080p FaceTime camera with it and not the normal iMacs? Seems to me that the people that order the iMac Pros will not necessarily be those that would benefit most from a 1080p FaceTime camera. Why hobble the iMac with an inferior camera? In the age of YouTube videos, podcasting, Zoom, etc., there's no reason to still have a 720p camera on the normal iMac.

Actually this is more due to the internet connection of the average house, for a prosumer product 720p is just fine and uses up far less bandwidth and cpu processing for video calling.

 

[theluggage]

This is nonsense almost no companies/professionals upgrade computers, they just buy new ones when the warranty runs out.

True - and there are often tax issues that make it efficient for businesses to replace hardware every ~3 years, or get it on a 3 year lease.

However, the iMac Pro isn't your traditional business machine, and neglecting the "prosumer" and enthusiast/hobbyist markets (i.e. the people who might convince their bosses to get Macs at work) might be a mistake.

Also, part of the problem is the shameless prices Apple charges for BTO extras - particularly RAM. Quite possibly, the only time many people open the RAM door of their iMac is as soon as they've torn off the plastic wrapping on day one, to stick in the extra third party RAM that they only got because Apple wanted silly money for >8GB.

Actually this is more due to the internet connection of the average house, for a prosumer product 720p is just fine and uses up far less bandwidth and cpu processing for video calling.

Still - whether you're a pro or a home user, the only real use of a front camera is for videoconferencing so its a bit of an odd priority for a pro graphics machine... and my work internet connection is slower and glitchier than my home broadband!