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iMac progress since Steve Jobs died: opinions?

turbineseaplane said:
You're clearly not in the demographic for the Mac Pro - Actual professionals desire way more than "hey maybe we can upgrade the Ram!". nMP is a joke

Regarding your iMac comments - The problem isn't their quest to make things thinner, it's with the initial goals where they literally set out to make it a compromised machine (for its price) from the get go and design with that in mind.

They could make it pretty drop dead sexy thin and still have some usable side ports (as one of a zillion examples). They could also still be designing it to allow VESA mounting without purchasing a completely different iMac model up front (which is another crock of sh**)
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No, I am not. And I wasn't saying how great the Mac Pro is, just using it as an example of what's possible for Apple. It perfectly shows how they can build a small computer that's also accessible, but not expandable. It's not because it's so small, but because Apple wanted to build it this way. Small computers could have been accessible and expandable if Apple wanted to.

What you said about the iMac is exactly what I'm saying (I hope it translates that way anyway).
 
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sunapple said:
It perfectly shows how they can build a small computer that's also accessible, but not expandable.
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That's the problem, imo. The professionals don't need a small computer that is accessible but not expandable. They needed something that is expandable. By the way, the old Mac Pro had no issues with being accessible, in fact Apple did a great job at making the MP, it had drive bays, easily accessible ports, the Ram was easy to get at.

It seemed to me that apple provided a solution to a problem that people didn't have.
 
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maflynn said:
That's the problem, imo. The professionals don't need a small computer that is accessible but not expandable. They needed something that is expandable. By the way, the old Mac Pro had no issues with being accessible, in fact Apple did a great job at making the MP, it had drive bays, easily accessible ports, the Ram was easy to get at.

It seemed to me that apple provided a solution to a problem that people didn't have.
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I'm not saying the Mac Pro is better than the old one nor am I saying that it's OK for it to not be expandable. Of course professionals need this. Sure, the old one was better in some ways, but that's not my point.

The point is that Apple can make a computer in just the way they want. The iMac being thinner doesn't mean it cannot be accessible. They decided to make it thin and not accessible, but it could have been both thin and accessible. That's where the comparison to the Mac Pro came in.

So it's not Apple's obsession with thinness that caused products to be glued together, it's just the fact that they want computers that cannot be accessed or expanded.
 
The classic Mac Pro is a fantastic machine that people are still using daily for work even now.

As others have said I would think a professional would want a decent lifespan and the ability to upgrade over a small trashcan.

I'm really sad at apples direction nowadays with everything from hardware to awfully buggy software but as I've said previously there's nothing good enough to change to yet. IMO of course.
 
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AlifTheUnseen said:
Well, are we going backwards to the right side again? I hope not...
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(source: blog on http://meandmymac.net/2008/07/scams-lies-and-complete-chaos/)

Actually, if you see the beauty to the left, isn't your first thought how to make it even thinner?
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Pretty doesn't get the job done. The machine one the right might be ugly but it has more potential, and i can choose my own monitor.
 
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Macmamamac said:
The greatest computer moment I ever had was firing up a 24" 2007 iMac. The combination of OS X ( leopard I think ), which for me was the greatest leap in user experience ever, and the design just made it a 'wow' moment. It was a night and day experience from any other computer I had ever seen or used.

8 years later I have just taken delivery of a ( late 2015) retina iMac and the 'wow' factor just isn't there. Not much has changed. It's almost identical except for screen resolution and speed -- 2 things which are natural technological progressions and not apple related.

The last 'wow' factor I had was when I changed my 2007 iMac HDD to an SSD a couple of years ago -- The speed difference kept the 2007 imac going strong until just a few days ago.

I suppose the question I am asking people, is if they think iMac has stagnated because of technology constraints, or because Steve jobs isn't there anymore?

I ask this question because 8 years before the 2007 aluminium iMac, Apple revolutionised the CRT desktop with their multi coloured 'bulbous' machines ( I owned one ), but 8 years after the 2007 aluminium no revolution has happened in both design or operating system.
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Well it looks like you've already made up your mind that Apple sucks now so regardless of what people say you are very defensive about it. What's the point of asking the question when you're not ready to accept a different opinion? I suppose you're looking for agreements from others to validate your belief.
 
I know it was discussed earlier in this thread but I'm glad there is no optical drive. I would venture a guess that most people that want an optical drive (like me) want a blu ray burner...and a nice one at that. At LEAST a blu ray reader (albeit OS X blu ray software sucks IMO).

Could you imagine how much Apple would charge for a dual layer 12x blu ray burner built in? And since its built in it would likely be in all iMacs, driving the price up for everyone.

For me it makes much more sense to get my own for 70-100 bucks.
 
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Macmamamac said:
The greatest computer moment I ever had was firing up a 24" 2007 iMac. The combination of OS X ( leopard I think ), which for me was the greatest leap in user experience ever, and the design just made it a 'wow' moment. It was a night and day experience from any other computer I had ever seen or used.

8 years later I have just taken delivery of a ( late 2015) retina iMac and the 'wow' factor just isn't there. Not much has changed. It's almost identical except for screen resolution and speed -- 2 things which are natural technological progressions and not apple related.

The last 'wow' factor I had was when I changed my 2007 iMac HDD to an SSD a couple of years ago -- The speed difference kept the 2007 imac going strong until just a few days ago.

I suppose the question I am asking people, is if they think iMac has stagnated because of technology constraints, or because Steve jobs isn't there anymore?

I ask this question because 8 years before the 2007 aluminium iMac, Apple revolutionised the CRT desktop with their multi coloured 'bulbous' machines ( I owned one ), but 8 years after the 2007 aluminium no revolution has happened in both design or operating system.
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The 2007 iMac 24" sure was a fantastic machine and getting it to 6GB plus an SSD was simply great. The 24" was discontinued for a 27" sized screen which I always felt was too big for normal user. I switched to 2011 iMac 21.5" after the 2007 machine's time had passed for me.

In terms of wow factor, I think there's only so much you can do to an all-in-one until you start to regress it. The form factor of the 2007 model was fantastic and not limited like the 2012+ models.
 
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The Mac is dead. Every Mac introduced after 2012 do have problems in overheating, keyboards, T2 chips, screens, connection problems and the list goes on and on.

Name one excellent Mac produced today...
 
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HJM.NL said:
The Mac is dead. Every Mac introduced after 2012 do have problems in overheating, keyboards, T2 chips, screens, connection problems and the list goes on and on.

Name one excellent Mac produced today...
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Well, I wouldn't say it is dead.
Though I feel that Mac is on life support… and Tim Cook and co. are eyeing the wall plug and thinking about pulling it out of the wall…

A shame.
 
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sunapple said:
This thread is over three years old... BTW 2012-2015 brought the best MacBook Pros ever built.
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I know that this thread is over three years old. The saddest part is that the situation worsened in those three years. They even killed your beloved MacBook Pro.
 
HJM.NL said:
I know that this thread is over three years old. The saddest part is that the situation worsened in those three years. They even killed your beloved MacBook Pro.
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No they didn't, it's still working fine! :D

In my experience, people don't appreciate thread bumps. But since you're Dutch, I'll let it slide.
 
sunapple said:
No they didn't, it's still working fine! :D

In my experience, people don't appreciate thread bumps. But since you're Dutch, I'll let it slide.
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You’re right, it’s typical Dutch to have snarky personal comments. Have fun with your last problem free Mac.
 
I'm still using the original retina 5k iMac - no overheating problems or any other issues.
 
I hope the next WOW factor will come as iMac becomes a huge iPad, and iPad becomes a smaller iMac.
 
I totally get the OP. I've had every iteration of iMac. But just some of the machines that stood out...Bondi Blue...wow...Snow SE wow...iMac G4 wow...iMac G4 20" wow...iMac Polycarbonite...wow...iMac Aluminum...wow....then crickets even though I've had 8 other iMacs since 2007. And now even spending $11k on an iMac Pro...not wow. Just cool it's Space Grey, that's about it.
 
sparkie1984 said:
To be honest I feel Apple generally has lost its "wow factor"

The software is glitchy on both iOS and OS X I feel it's all rushed now rather than waiting and getting it right.

As others had said the obsession with thinness seems to be getting out of hand. Who wants an iMac that turns see through when viewed side ways?? I'm sure most people would rather have the body of a 2011 iMac with some decent cooling.

Things like the Mac Pro, why does it need to be so tiny? It's a pro machine and will the trash can design be even close to as useful as the classic Mac Pro design which is still upgradeable today. I've just put a PCI-E ssd in my 2009 model and its screaming fast. It cost me £165 for 256gb. How much would it cost to put that in the new model?

To me Apple are going for pure aesthetics over function which is a shame as their products were hardly horrid looking!

That said I'll still be buying their products as its still best in class (IMO)
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The pre-current-gen iMacs were awful, comparatively. Really reflective displays, ran REALLY hot when just idling, and dust and all other kinds of debris could get in between the glass and LCD since they weren’t fused like they are today.

2007 -> 2015 iMac is night/day difference.
 
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