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1/ Rubbish
2/ Aperture 3 isn't the only game in town
2a/ iPhoto...for a power user? really?
3/ Sounds very much like user error to me.never happened to me in 20 yurs using computers. Failing harddrives in macs? well thats anotyher story.
4/ Debatable
5/ Utter nonsense.


OP if money is an issue, stay away from Apple. Your b/friend is right there is ZERO advantage in using a mac over a pc for your useage, more so now that Win 7 is as good as it is.


i don,'t think you can make an argument which your fruitless googling told you anyway.

1) Technically Im correct and your not - If you bother to look under the hood the Windows Graphics engine is nowhere near as powerful, versatile or generally "good" as the Mac OS X one.
2) No, but it is pretty decent
2a) Youd be surprised how many PowerUsers use iPhoto and Photoshop together as they dont need Aperture. Hell, Im a Video Editor in Final Cut Studio, I still use iMovie if im in a hurry and want something simple.
3) No, your just lucky.
5) Not nonsense, you have obviously had your head stuck in the Windows oven for far too long. There is a reason anybody doing any kind of serious computing uses UNIX or a form of it, its architecturally better. Windows architecture is a hodge-podge mess that shouldve been abandoned in about 2001, but instead they keep going as they messed up Longhorn/Blackcomb and gave us a hacked up mess.

It should also be pointed out that for the OPs usage, a Mac is the best choice by miles. PCs dont have the same level of software/hardware integration. There is no comparison. If you want to do serious photography, you should get a Mac. Windows 7 doesnt have the technology or the software to do this task as well as a Mac does. And Aperture is the best, and its certainly nice to have it as an option which youll never have on a PC.
 
One thing that seems to have been missed on this so far is software licensing.

Does the software license for the existing Digital Photography software you own allow you to install the software onto another platform.

From looking at the Adobe website then it appears that you cannot install the OSX versions license onto a Windows PC, however I am not an expert on that so maybe someone who has looked at that before can verify as possibly extra expense that not thought of.

With the price of digital photography software then may end up spending more on the software then save on the hardware.
 
1/ Rubbish
2/ Aperture 3 isn't the only game in town
2a/ iPhoto...for a power user? really?
3/ Sounds very much like user error to me.never happened to me in 20 yurs using computers. Failing harddrives in macs? well thats anotyher story.
4/ Debatable
5/ Utter nonsense.


OP if money is an issue, stay away from Apple. Your b/friend is right there is ZERO advantage in using a mac over a pc for your useage, more so now that Win 7 is as good as it is.


i don,'t think you can make an argument which your fruitless googling told you anyway.

Agreed, Windows 7 is as close as to being a Mac without being a Mac.

Though it is your choice, I prefer Snow Leopard and Macs, but 7 is still pretty good considering it's Windows.
 
One thing that seems to have been missed on this so far is software licensing.

Does the software license for the existing Digital Photography software you own allow you to install the software onto another platform.

With the price of digital photography software then may end up spending more on the software then save on the hardware.

^^ This, software should be a very important consideration, there is no point saving a hundred $ if you have to pay two hundred to re purchase software.
 
Hi Gemima, if you are getting a computer through the apple UK academic site, you also get a three year warranty too in the price, without having to get the applecare - check the small print. (Though applecare gives you other advantages too, and may be worth it, it is cheap to add on). Bear in mind this scheme doesn't operate through the stores, buy from the education store on web.

My recommendation is buy the mac (but of course I would say that being a member here...). You dismissed familiarity as being a good reason to buy another mac, it is an excellent reason, you will be up and running straight away! It is your purchase, ignore your boyfriend and buy what is right for you.

best, and.

Sale of Goods act in the UK, thankfully makes Applecare and its ridiculous price tag completely and utterly redundant, even more so on a non portable.
 
1 Round of Ammunition coming up:

(1) The Mac has much better integrated support for image files in the OS, even with Windows 7 Windows handling of images, fonts etc are much much worse than on the Mac (this is due to Windows having an inferior graphics engine)
(2) Aperture 3 doesnt work on the PC (This ones a good one as he cant argue with that, even if you dont use it its good ammunition - especially as the price has come down)
(2a) - neither does iPhoto, and its a heck of a lot better than anything on the PC (He can say what he wants, but everyone on here will point out hes wrong).
(3) The Mac isnt going to crash due to a driver issue and wipe out all your data (Ive had this happen on PCs.. never on a Mac)
(4) CS5 runs a heck of a lot better on the Mac than on the PC
(5) The OS is based on UNIX, so is a lot more stable, powerful and expandable than Windows

Sorry... I don't want to bash, but I have to correct a few very basic errors in your points.

2) Aperture as well as iPhoto are some of the very ******** programs that are for photography. No photographer who knows what programs there are out there would choose to work with either of those. They are very very consumer minded!

Instead you could have suggested something like the best tether program and photo management program that exists: Phase One's Capture One Pro (lastest edition is 6).
That will hands down walk all over both above mentioned.

1) I don't evne know what you're talking about when you write "integrated support for image files"... if #0 is a photographer, she's likely only to be seriously working with one or several of these formats:
- raw
- tif
- jpg

All three are perfectly supported by windows and have been for... well... as far back as I can remember.

4) As for CS5 running better on a mac? Do you base your assumption on two exact same modifications on the two platforms? Or is this just the old school fanboi crap?
2 years ago... yes, I would have agreed that photoshop was nicer to run on a mac. After Windows 7, I'm not so sure anymore.
I run CS5 on a 2.4 core 2 quad pc and I haven't had a single shutdown yet. And it runs smoothly, even with my inferior 3gb of ram. I would love to see how it would run on 8gigs :O
Add to that... I just finished editing a 9 min video shot on Canon with file parts up to 4 gigs, and premiere cs5 handled those perfectly on said pc.


#0 Now here's the real reasons you should maybe choose one over the other...

Macs are very stable yes... In my fulltime photography job I work on an old duo iMac (it's crap by now :S). But the thing is that I feel like I can trust it. It never crashes, and I know exactly what time during the day I have to restart it to make it work at normal speed again (yeah... it gets slow after 2:30 pm EVERY day :eek:)

The interface is nice and you wont risk deleting some file or messing up folder structures.

Regarding your work flow... I bet you wouldn't feel a difference in your pace, except for the part that you would have to get used to the new interface.

Now since this is an iMac room I'll go along with you wanting that. But I have to tell ya... even though I work on an iMac every day, I wouldn't for my own serious where I want to know and be able to see exactly what Im doing work on an iMac these days.
Glossy screens are pretty and a definite consumer move from Apple. But when it all comes down to it, glossy screens do not give you an accurate image of what you finished work will look like on print (NO.. it wont, and if you think it does, your eyes haven't been trained to see subtle diffences).
In fact, you could risk ending up making your photos flat in contrast and not rich enough in color.
So if you do end up with an iMac, do yourself the favor of getting another screen with anti-glare. Eizo screens are still very nice... *hint hint*

Viruses? It's just a matter of time till evil geeks will construct severe viruses for macs.
And about viruses on a pc, the only reason people get viruses is because they use their perfectly fine tuned working machine for crap such as torrents, porn and double clicking files they don't know what do.

The simple trick is to... not do those things, and then install Zone Alarm. You will never have problems again. Atleast I haven't had any probs since I stopped downloading torrents, watch porn and stopped clicking files I don't know what are and have Zone Alarm turned on 24/7 ;)

Money wise... well, you can get cheap ram for iMac if you dare insert it yourself. So that's not too bad... but what will you do if one day you need a bigger or faster hd? If you want a 2nd disc drive to streamline your dvd burns? Or replace that processor for a new shiny one?
Apple is a very closed univers and they really know how to make money on their customers.
On a pc, you open the chassy, remove the old part, install the new part and you're upgraded.

The problem with a pc is that you wont get everything served on a plate. You have to take an interest in how these machines work, what parts goes with what etc.
With an Apple, you don't have to do much thinking and I understand perfectly why some people prefer that.

In short... I doubt you by now will find that much different about pcs and macs in total. It is all about comfort and like you say, familiarity and wether you want someone to do all the work for you for at the price of paying more money or if you can handle those things yourself.

My own situation:
Pc at home, mac at work.
I like the looks and stabilityt of the mac, but I love how my pc world is so free and customizable.
And even though I just wrote all this, I'm still in doubt wether to get another pc or if I'll upgrade to a 8/12 core mac pro next time. Because honestly, I'm not hearing any real reasons why I shouldn't build a pc.

When push comes to shove, the only thing that matters to me is how fast I can do the job I'm supposed to do.
 
2) Aperture as well as iPhoto are some of the very ******** programs that are for photography. No photographer who knows what programs there are out there would choose to work with either of those. They are very very consumer minded!

Simply can't agree here. Aperture may not be the top choice in professional RAW development for every photographer, but it is far from the worst. I personally use Lightroom 3 because I got a student discount, but had Aperture been priced as it is now I would certainly have given it another look. Does Capture One even offer a student discounted version? If not, you are talking a price difference in the range of hundreds of dollars for that software piece alone. Will the marginal differences in RAW conversion and the convenience of layers for localized adjustments be enough to justify that sum to somebody on a budget when it sounds like they already use Photoshop in their workflow?

And iPhoto is certainly not a professional tool, but one of the worst for casual photographers (the intended audience)? Surely you jest...

Money wise... well, you can get cheap ram for iMac if you dare insert it yourself. So that's not too bad... but what will you do if one day you need a bigger or faster hd? If you want a 2nd disc drive to streamline your dvd burns? Or replace that processor for a new shiny one?
Apple is a very closed univers and they really know how to make money on their customers.
On a pc, you open the chassy, remove the old part, install the new part and you're upgraded.

But you have to be careful on the PC side as well. Yes, you have the ability to upgrade so long as your computer is compatible with the tech you want to upgrade to. Processor sockets change, so you may need a new motherboard to support the latest and greatest CPU. And maybe that motherboard requires new RAM. Then the SATA bus speeds change to take advantage of faster drives. A couple of years after purchase and you may be better off just dumping the old system and buying a new one (granted the same will be true with the Mac if you need something faster). I can almost guarantee the resale price on the Mac will be better than the PC.

And don't forget that USB2 has plenty of throughput to support external optical drives.

Which course ends up being more cost effective overall? It really will be case by case. What ultimately matters is how happy the purchaser is with the decision they made while they own the computer. You can't put a price on not having to live with buyer's remorse.
 
@OP..

If you want to run OSX, I would avoid building a Hackintosh. It's possible, and cheaper, but the amount of tweaking to get everything working and the fact one small update can crash everything quickly it's really worth it if you rely on your computer to generate income. As a hobbiest, I've loaded up OSX as a virtual machine as well as directly on the system. Getting all the correct hardware and drivers to work takes allot of time unless you spcifically buy hardware found on the list from the OSX86 project.
 
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