That definition makes no sense at all. It would seem your view of the professional world is not only very limited, but also very misguided.
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iMac Redesign for 2018?
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I am not comparing the two computers.
The purpose of posting the benchmarks was to show that you can do the same “professional” work on Macs not holding a “Pro” moniker. This stems from previous pages in this thread.
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On the contrary. This discussion has nothing to do with someone's level of skill. But someone is either "working as a professional," or working FOR someone else as an employee, or doing both things separately, but they are not the same thing.
Thanks for posting that. You’ve now made it abundantly clear you don’t know what the word actually means.
Maybe everyone just go with this and move on...?
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/professional
Anyway for Apple, it’s just a marketing term, I doubt they’ve ever defined it other than as a product differentiator.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/professional
Anyway for Apple, it’s just a marketing term, I doubt they’ve ever defined it other than as a product differentiator.
I agree that Apple uses it as a marketing term, although I'm not sure how knowing that adds to the discussion. Also take a look at https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/thesaurus/employee
Conspicuously absent as a synonym for employee is "professional."
Conspicuously absent as a synonym for employee is "professional."
Look for profession, as in career, occupation, calling, vocation, line of work, line of employment, line, métier, business, trade, craft, walk of life, sphere, job, day job, position
The “Pro” thing is a function of how Steve Jobs liked to structure a product portfolio. This is well documented, and he even presented this himself at MacWorld Expo in 1998. He drew up a 2x2 grid, showing on one axis “Desktop” and “Notebook” and on the other axis “Consumer” and “Professional”.
I'll be sure to tell my son, an editor in NYC who's been with 3 post houses over the years, has worked internationally, has won awards, is much in demand by clients, has cut everything from 30 second commercials to feature films, but who works on salary+commission that he's not a "pro." He'll be so disappointed!
I, on the other hand, work at home, sell my book design, photographic and writing services to individuals and publishers -- wow, I'm a pro! And my kid's not!
By that definition, Apple engineers designing Pro computers at Apple Headquarters are not professionals?
It's a paradox!
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In these forums, the term "Pro" has habitually been a crutch for those who believe themselves to be better than others, or for those who wish to make demands out of frustration. But we're all on this planet for only a short time, so attitudes of peace and generosity towards other humans, even including those who are working at Apple, is best.
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Honestly, if there's not a significant change to the iMac this year (and we're probably looking at October here), I might go for a Windows desktop. I think the iPhone is the best phone, the iPad the best tablet, and (arguably) the MacBook the best laptop (it certainly has been in the past and it's the only laptop I'd consider, even with the flaws). But I wouldn't say the iMac is the best desktop.I think it's very good, but I'd love to see some changes, like adjustable height, smaller bezels, more upgradeability, less reflective display, backlit keyboard option, better mouse, return of optical audio...I know some of that's just a pipe dream.
I did the switch for $1400 Canadian, GPU AND CPU rocks, took money I saved and went on vacation. Honestly I can run all my apps in windows that I used to work on Mac.
That‘s nice - if it really run all your apps on Windows and you don‘t miss any of the Mac integration, this is the machine that works best for you from a price/performance perspective. Congratulations
Your son sounds brilliant. And it sounds like he's in a great position to choose to work either as a professional or as an employee.
I'm sorry mreg376 but you are mistaken in who you define being a "pro". Being a professional only means that perform specialised tasks/functions in service of a profession.
Going through your comments, the only thing you are describing is someone who might be self-employed or a contractor. While those people can be described as professionals, they are a subset of the term (just as employees are), and are not a synonym. Step back and think about the implications of your description:
How is a developer who works for Apple, Google or MS "less" professional than a contractor or independent developer?
How is a VFX artist, 3D Designer, Media Creative or other similar role who works for a firm, "less" professional than someone who works independently?
Are the people of all disciplines who bring AAA 3D games to life for companies like Ubisoft, Sony, Nintendo or Activision not professionals?
Are any of these people not skilled in their craft in the service of their professions?
If you want to make arguments on behalf of the needs of contractors, small teams & the self-employed thats fine -- but don't ignore that people are only able to maintain employment in these kinds of roles by being skilled in the service of their professions -- ergo professionals or "pros"
Going through your comments, the only thing you are describing is someone who might be self-employed or a contractor. While those people can be described as professionals, they are a subset of the term (just as employees are), and are not a synonym. Step back and think about the implications of your description:
How is a developer who works for Apple, Google or MS "less" professional than a contractor or independent developer?
How is a VFX artist, 3D Designer, Media Creative or other similar role who works for a firm, "less" professional than someone who works independently?
Are the people of all disciplines who bring AAA 3D games to life for companies like Ubisoft, Sony, Nintendo or Activision not professionals?
Are any of these people not skilled in their craft in the service of their professions?
If you want to make arguments on behalf of the needs of contractors, small teams & the self-employed thats fine -- but don't ignore that people are only able to maintain employment in these kinds of roles by being skilled in the service of their professions -- ergo professionals or "pros"
I don't disagree with you, but this was never a discussion about "being professional," or acting professional, as an adjective in effect, or being skilled or not being skilled, or working in service of a profession. I grew up with the idea that being a professional meant the ability to make money in your chosen line of work without being employed by someone else, money that you make by directly selling your products or services and not by receiving a set salary while your employer gets the profits from your work. Yes, someone can be extremely professional and be an employee at the same time and be working in their profession, but that is not the same thing as working as a professional. I think an individual can work as a professional in their profession, OR work as a W-2 employee in their profession, and even go back and forth between the two. I mentioned this to start with only to differentiate between the process that let's-call-it "my type" of professional uses when making an individual computer buying decision, and being an employee who is stuck with equipment that his or her employer provides, often purchased en masse. My intent was not to label or relabel people, which is of course what other posters here jumped right on, but only to point out that my type of "professional" was far more concerned about flexibility, longevity and expandability of his purchase while an employee was stuck with whatever he is given until his employer decides otherwise, and that they are two different markets for which the same "pro" computers are not necessarily suitable.
Jesus! Guys, can you please stop the ******** about what professional is and isn't? Everyone is different, has different needs from a machine to their given 'task' and there is no need to play WORD GAME over few pages.
Get back on the topic and stop this nonsense, PLEASE!
Get back on the topic and stop this nonsense, PLEASE!
I paid for a Pro to get access to better hardware configurations. Don't need to faff about online in a pissing contest to see who's more important than the next person who paid upwards of $4,500 for a laptop.
Edit: MBP that is. I thought this was the MacBook Pro section of the site. Still, same thing.
Edit: MBP that is. I thought this was the MacBook Pro section of the site. Still, same thing.
Haha fine with me. The problem is that no one really knows anything about the original topic -- iMac redesign for 2018...
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Compared to what? I can tell you that the audio coming out of my 2017 is far better, with more dynamic arrange and bass, than my 2007, but of course that's a decade difference...
It'll be sad if they don't update iMacs until September/October, or beyond.
Hankies are primed for tomorrow.
However, I am not a consummate audio pro. The overall machine is snappy and elegant. Never have problems with input or output. I'm not sure how someone would gauge that performance, but it certain isn't like my 2006 MacPro or 2011 MacMini due to improvements in speed.
Speakers are "ok", but they aren't that great. You will need some kind of audio interface if you are doing proper recording and so forth.
Hankies are primed for tomorrow.
I have a 2017 iMac and it seems fabulous.
However, I am not a consummate audio pro. The overall machine is snappy and elegant. Never have problems with input or output. I'm not sure how someone would gauge that performance, but it certain isn't like my 2006 MacPro or 2011 MacMini due to improvements in speed.
Speakers are "ok", but they aren't that great. You will need some kind of audio interface if you are doing proper recording and so forth.
see what i really enjoy about this website is how there can be a 27 page forum with the purported purpose of speculating over how and when a computer company will choose to release a computer but in reality it exists almost entirely as an exercise in pontificatory dictionary-wielding espousal over the various philosophical and pragmatic ramifications of how the term “pro” is used by said computer company to market and differentiate its lineup and honestly i say all that with an indelibly earnest of reverence
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Speaking of pontificatory dictionary-wielding espousal...