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IMac vs Mac Pro ($3500 budget) but need a workhorse
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We agree that talent is valuable, so you can move on to the actual issue now, which is:
"What I will be doing is music. I have a studio, using Digital Performer with 3 or 4 plugins running. I also want to do heavy duty video editing in the future... What are your opinions with what I want to do. Which computer would be best?"
If someone wants to do music and heavy duty video, and they're debating over using an iMac or a Mac Pro (both of which are desktops in case you forgot), and want opinions on which is best for the job... my opinion rests on the Mac Pro. You jumped in with your opinion to get the iMac, based on what works best for you, which is clearly and obviously not video. You went further to add not to let anyone "BS you." Then you unloaded a lot of BS in the thread about "Macbooks that will WALK the dog on ANYBODY using Mac pros he he," or "with TB on an iMac you can get WAY FASTER speeds for audio and video editing than any MP." How about when you said, "A/V is DISK INTENSIVE, not so much processor. People don't know what's involved obviously with a DAW and video editing he he... DISK I/O speeds period!" That was cute, but quite false. I've already proven you wrong, and all you've done is talk a lot of nonsense.
You laced your rants with irrational, disjointed statements like, "I want you to say a famous person told you off, but, unfortunately... I already did." I'll grant you your wish, in hopes that you find some peace and clarity in the future. "A famous person told you off. Convivially, wonderspark." Now get busy proving me wrong, if you can. I already know that you can't, so I'm going to have two cookies with the whipped cream now.
Again, you said laptop... I did say for video a Mac Pro would be better... listen, your one of those guys I'd like to smash over the head and say READ!
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We're talking about many different things. The funny thing is that we agree on some of them.
There are talented people that can create something on a laptop that others cannot create on a Mac Pro, or anything for that matter. We agree on this. Talent is important, and again, we agree. Finally, we agree that production value is lost on many.
Things we disagree on, in my view, are that an iMac is better suited to edit both music and "heavy duty video", whatever that means to the guy looking for advice. Likewise, if I don't think an iMac is better suited to edit heavy duty video, I also don't think a laptop is, either. They can all edit HD video, but a Mac Pro can be set up to get the job done faster and make the task easier to do. If you can play footage smoothly, it makes editing it easier, wouldn't you agree? I hope so. I've imported a heavy After Effects project into the latest iMac, and it took forever. In fact, it took so long to render that I went to the beach for some surfing while it worked away for hours.
My definition of "heavy duty" may be way above yours or that of the OP. I know all about maximizing production value. I have a reputation for doing more with less. It's the reason I have the current clients that others lost to me.
I have no doubt that you are better than I am at producing music, because I've done some myself, and I think I suck at writing music. For that reason, I hire talented people to do it for me. I might guess that I've got more talent than you at producing video, but who knows and who cares? You keep making this attempt to talk down to me about how great you are, better than me, famous and so on, when it doesn't even concern you or me. You don't need to throw your e-peen around, calling me dic#head or a little girl throwing a hissy fit, because it's completely unrelated to the subject. You and I have no reason to make beef.
I've used a Matrox Compress-HD which made a 2.6 Ghz. Q (2009) Nehalem render (at that time) H.264 faster than an 8 core which was roughly 3 times the cost, and now there's PCIE TB solutions to achieve the same results. If I want to get into that, then I'd just build a custom hack so I can OC, run faster RAM and utilize other custom hardware offerings, but I'm NOT on the clock so render times are not an issue for me... if you have the time, the SAME output is rendered in the end... so unless your a post house cranking out renders on a schedule, then... get a farm. An iMac can pull off huge sessions for audio... I tracked on Studer and Otari 24 tracks back in the early 70's... we only had 24 tracks and some of the most influential music ever made was done with only that many tracks. The Beatles used 8 and even 4 so if you put that into perspective, it's the ear, not the gear... less is more etc. etc.
A moden day CPU and DAW can achieve stellar results only dreamed about 4 years ago for a native DAW... and if you really re-think your pre-production into the viable resources available, the sky is the limit actually. I said go MP in my earlier post if video was involved but doing music videos, and having the time to render, anything will work as long as you can audition the FX and edits before render commitments. Sorry for blowing up... bad day today he he.
A moden day CPU and DAW can achieve stellar results only dreamed about 4 years ago for a native DAW... and if you really re-think your pre-production into the viable resources available, the sky is the limit actually. I said go MP in my earlier post if video was involved but doing music videos, and having the time to render, anything will work as long as you can audition the FX and edits before render commitments. Sorry for blowing up... bad day today he he.
One thing I have learned from this thread.......
If you want to know wether an iMac or a Mac Pro will suit you better, you don't go into the Mac Pro section of the forum to ask.
As well, if you want to know wether an iMac or a Mac Pro will suit you better you don't go into the iMac section of the forum to ask.
Of course you could go into the " Buying Tips And Advice " section, but there doesn't seem to be much activity there.
There are, shall we say, ardent fans of both platforms and as you can see they will attack with information ( some factual - some fictional ) to backup their own positions.
Looks like I will be loading up an external HDD with some of my larger projects and heading off to the Apple Store to decide which Apple computer will better satisfy my own personal needs.
Thanks for the entertaining reading!
If you want to know wether an iMac or a Mac Pro will suit you better, you don't go into the Mac Pro section of the forum to ask.
As well, if you want to know wether an iMac or a Mac Pro will suit you better you don't go into the iMac section of the forum to ask.
Of course you could go into the " Buying Tips And Advice " section, but there doesn't seem to be much activity there.
There are, shall we say, ardent fans of both platforms and as you can see they will attack with information ( some factual - some fictional ) to backup their own positions.
Looks like I will be loading up an external HDD with some of my larger projects and heading off to the Apple Store to decide which Apple computer will better satisfy my own personal needs.
Thanks for the entertaining reading!