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brentsg

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I'm on OSX 10.15.7 and iMessage just stopped working. It doesn't matter if I use iMessage or SMS (thru phone), it can't send or receive.

I've logged out / in. I've tried to sync. I've disabled and re-enabled my account within the app.

Nothing.

It's fine on my iOS devices. Any thoughts?
 

maverick28

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Same in Mojave and every macOS with iMessage. Mojave lets me send messages only using iMessage but not SMS, and in Mavericks I can't sign in neither iMessage nor FaceTime. Either it has something to do with the failure of many people to install apps from MAS which happened due to revoked Apple Developer Central Certificate Authority certificates or they cut off too much shooting from the hip as always with the release of Big Sur. Such things happen every fall when they roll out one more "advanced operating system".
 

Omega Mac

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Updated to 10.15.7 - got the prompt to log into iMessage for some reason, now iMessage will not connect!

Tried a few things even NVRM reset. Still not working.

No reported outages of services.

Any ideas people?
 

maverick28

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@Omega Mac Success not guaranteed but try the following:
  1. Launch Keychain Access
  2. Search for message-protect entries under the login keychain and delete them.
  3. Try logging into Messages again.
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brentsg

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I just saw the keychain idea so will try.

Update on this end, I wiped my Mac and reinstalled from scratch. This fixed my issues. I then recovered my data from a CCC backup using Migration Assistant and it re-broke it for me. So it is something thst gets archived with a backup, not OS specific.
 

maverick28

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@brentsg You could achieve the same goal without reinstalling the entire OS: all you had to do was just reboot into another account and test Messages there. Alternatively, you could log out of Messages and Facetime on all of your devices and log back. As stupid and worn out of a solution this is it might do the trick.
 

brentsg

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@brentsg You could achieve the same goal without reinstalling the entire OS: all you had to do was just reboot into another account and test Messages there. Alternatively, you could log out of Messages and Facetime on all of your devices and log back. As stupid and worn out of a solution this is it might do the trick.
I had other issues as well. Plex server would no longer function. Mail wasn’t functioning. It was a mess.

iMessage was the first thing to go sideways and was (prior to Plex) one I couldn’t do without. Mostly I’ve migrated off the Mac ecosystem and this Mini was just for holdouts. I left 99% when the Mac Pro and Mini were neglected for so long.
 

Omega Mac

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@Omega Mac Success not guaranteed but try the following:
  1. Launch Keychain Access
  2. Search for message-protect entries under the login keychain and delete them.
  3. Try logging into Messages again.
View attachment 1777987

Thank you very much for this possible solution. It is not one I have come across.

Oks, so what I have found is "container-message-protection-key", looks to be the same thing, so shall I delete?
 

Omega Mac

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@maverick28 - Hmm deleted that one, then logged back into iMessages, there are however
more on my system, all are iCloud, see attached image - perhaps I should delete the lot?

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Omega Mac

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Yep still no idea how to fix this.

Maybe running the remote repair/install macOS might fix it. It's worked ot solve even more serious issues after upgrades kill boot ups. ?
 

maverick28

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@Omega Mac When you signed out of/in to iCloud did you get the notification that "Facetime/Messages are enabled to use with your_loginname@whateverdomain on MacBook Pro"? I don't know whether it's a random combination of unknowns but doing that only on one of your devices (i.e., iPhone) may suffice. If you tried logging out of your Apple ID (or iCloud which essentially is the same) account on all devices and it didn't help then I'd suggest taking notice of what the actual names of your devices are that are registered as Trusted Devices. Do they match the names under Phone, Messages, Facetime in the phone's Settings?

As far-fetched and extremely unfriendly as it may sound I was having Hands-off non-operational just yesterday after a period of inactivity, frequent reboots to other macOS etc. Turned out the culprit was the name of my iPhone that I had changed. I had to unpair both devices in Bluetooth settings and then pair back because no matter what, the phone was showing as the old name on my Mac which stubbornly refused to see the phone. All attempts to enable Calls on Other Devices fell flat with an alert to the effect of Calling on other devices couldn't be enabled. Make sure you're using the correct iCloud account and AppleID on all of your devices even though I used the correct AppleID: after I re-paired devices I regained control over Hands-off and the constituent services. Before this had illuminated my mind, I had wasted fruitless efforts by re-signing in my iCloud account. I understand it's a different issue and may not work for you but you can try just in case. Regardless of whether it's the culprit, the fact you have to re-pair Bluetooth devices to make Hands-off work is beyond silly: you'd think the macOS system would handle that automatically by having some kind of the UID key assigned to a device or your AppleID that ignores changing the device name or display an informative message if it fails to refresh it, but no - you have to guess on your own. Slapdash programming. "Just works?" - Hell, no.

One last thing: are you running Catalina? That could be both the answer and a possible fix which is either to downgrade to the last macOS where everything works (e.g., Mojave), or upgrade to the latest stable revision (e.g. Big Sur) to see if they fixed this issue. However, there could one more factor in play: I suspect that all these issues crop up if you're not using companion versions, e.g. something like iOS 14 and Big Sur. I'm still on iOS 12 and Mojave which were companion releases. This is speculation at best but it could be pretty much real.
If you aren't running companion releases and think it's worth the risk then try upgrading both devices to iOS 14 and Big Sur and see if the issue goes.
 
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Omega Mac

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You know what Handoff is not working for me for some time, but I never investigated.

This may be the missing link. It wasn't a major issue but eventually when iMessage stopped then you really hit the edges of the problem harder. I will now look into this form that angle, Thanks!

Not sure this Mac is Big Sur compatible. MM Server 2012... but then maybe I'll head over to dosdude and see if that might change. ;)
 

Omega Mac

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Monterey introduces things I've imagined many years ago and been waiting for, can't believe they have introduced them finally. Looks good. Good news all round.

BTW when you say "bluetooth" pairing, I didn't know you had to pay you iDevice with a macOS device specifically. I have no recall of having to ever have to do that.

What i noticed was I've been running the MM without wifi on (you think cable connection is enough but then I don't know how Apple magically interconnects all these things so I am guessing a combo of all the wireless standards for various reason might be in play), thought maybe that might be the simple problem, doesn't seem to have done anything yet.
 

Omega Mac

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It looks like this problem is ancient and they don't keep check for it since OS x version onwards in QA, this from 2016!

 

maverick28

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If no suggestion helps then use Viber or Telegram: works 100% under all weather condition, crisis, tsunami etc and has an order of magnitude larger user base. Viber Desktop shows ads but you can easily block them for good by writing the corresponding entries to the hosts file.
 

Omega Mac

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Ya I have Telegram., but I do like iMessage to be sync'd up across desktop and mobile, and also now handoff too I do miss this.

Telegram is a bit heavy at times on desktop, especially if you follow channels.... man we're almost back to forums for all feels like telegram is a bridging point, when the masses find forums exist things will be funner. Telegram doesn't segway this deep into the OS but thanks for the pointers.

It's a pernickety dilly of a pickle.

However I haven't tried the internet recovery options to repair. I might try this, it might do something. You never know!
 
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maverick28

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Ya I have Telegram., but I do like iMessage to be sync'd up across desktop and mobile, and also now handoff too I do miss this.
Nowadays, every IM, VOIP app syncs across devices. Viber is gold and rock-solid as is Telegram.
 

otetzone

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Just a couple of days ago everything worked fine on my Mavericks machine.
Today I discovered that I cannot send messagaes (red exclamation mark next to them) neither can I receive messages.
I tried to sign out and now I can't sign in. On the phone everything is working fine.

Oops, sorry to post it in Catalina thread, was misguided with the thread title.

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maverick28

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Mine is working in Mavericks, just checked by sending a test message to myself. Have you 2F authentication enabled for your account? If yes, then have you put the verification code to your account password's ending? If you have and still no dice, perhaps, it's iMessage server outage in your region. File the report to Apple under the "iCloud" section of their product feedback site and rate your satisfaction low.
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otetzone

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Jul 12, 2019
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Yes, I do have 2FA. It never asked for verification though, was just endlessly spinning before telling me it couldn't log me in. I tried following your advice you posted earlier in this thread and deleted the keychain entry. Now I had a different prompt to log in with the same useless effect. I just had the wheel spinning on me for like half an hour.
Finally, I decided to restore from a backup. And although it looks like I'm "logged in" now the messages just wouldn't get through. On each message that I try to send I get an exclamation mark meaning it wasn't sent.
If there is nothing else to suggest, where do I file a report to Apple. And does it make any sense in doing so?

Here's a message from Console if this is of any help

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