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IMO, the Nokia Lumia 920 is the first truly worthy adversary to the iPhone! (Pics)
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Yeah this is one of my huge reasons I changed my mind about a wp phone and went with the Note 2. I'm a huge users of Google Voice, and while I could passably use it in iOS, there is zero option of using it in WP. I definitely will revisit windows next year when I'm up for an upgrade again though, hopefully in a year their app store will fill out as I think their OS is head and shoulders above Android and miles above iOS.
Have it in my hands now. So shiny and new. Beautiful phone, love the OS so far. Is everything I expected. Bye bye Apple.
I am jealous, I preordered just a little too late unfortunately. What color did you end up getting? Eager to see just how much smoother it runs than my old Focus, which wasnt a slouch by any means.
Same here, just activated mine and it's nicer than i expected! I got the matte black and it's a stunningly good looking phone. The build quality is right up there with Apple. I didn't get my wireless charging plate either but it was on my order sheet as "in progress". The customer service person i spoke with said they will ship a little later.Have it in my hands now. So shiny and new. Beautiful phone, love the OS so far. Is everything I expected. Bye bye Apple.
Ended up getting the matte black. Super slick looking phone. Feels incredibly solid in your hands. Need a little bit more time to get use to the interface as I've only been using iOS for the last four years.
Ended up getting the matte black. Super slick looking phone. Feels incredibly solid in your hands. Need a little bit more time to get use to the interface as I've only been using iOS for the last four years.
That was the other choice, as much as I like the color Lumias I just like to switch my tile color up often. Apparently it feels too solid for all the complaints about it. But yes, you will learn in a day how nice the UI is, almost as simple as iOS but does offer a little more customization. It will be painless, I promise.
I was able to get one from a local ATT store today. I am really enjoying it so far. WP8 is definitly what you make of it- if you put the time in to set up your tiles the right way I think it's great. Having a tile set up for the people you like to keep in touch with makes it insanely easy to see their facebook, twitter, texts, etc all in one spot.
The wireless charging plate is apparently already in the mail, I just got an email about it a few minutes ago.
The notifications are not half as bad as most people made them out to be, I would say better than iOS but not as good as android. The app selection is pretty good too considering how young the platform is. No skype yet which is kinda lame, but that's on the way. Skype and a google video chat option would be nice, I use them a lot. But otherwise pretty much all the apps I need or use often are available and most of them are free. Actually right now I can't think of any video chat apps that are available, which makes the front camera kind of useless at the moment- anyone know of any?
Haven't had a chance to check out the Nokia maps/gps yet, but I plan on using it tomorrow night.
Otherwise I would say the build quality is exactly what I expected from Nokia- awesome. The screen is beautiful and I think the device overall is extremely comfortable to use. It may be the most ergonomic cell phone I've ever held, it can be used with one hand for the most part. The layout of the physical buttons is great if you are a "hold with your left hand, tap with your right hand" person. I am really enjoying the larger screen. the 920 is a little thicker than a iPhone 4S but not enough that I notice. It fits in my pocket just right. I have that 14 day trial window, so I am going to really put this thing through all the tests and make sure it's a keeper.
Only thing is- the NFC- am I missing something? Anyone have any good uses for it? I can't figure out how to make it work with purchases or if ATT will even let you do that. I would appreciate input if anyone knows of any good uses for NFC on the 920.
The wireless charging plate is apparently already in the mail, I just got an email about it a few minutes ago.
The notifications are not half as bad as most people made them out to be, I would say better than iOS but not as good as android. The app selection is pretty good too considering how young the platform is. No skype yet which is kinda lame, but that's on the way. Skype and a google video chat option would be nice, I use them a lot. But otherwise pretty much all the apps I need or use often are available and most of them are free. Actually right now I can't think of any video chat apps that are available, which makes the front camera kind of useless at the moment- anyone know of any?
Haven't had a chance to check out the Nokia maps/gps yet, but I plan on using it tomorrow night.
Otherwise I would say the build quality is exactly what I expected from Nokia- awesome. The screen is beautiful and I think the device overall is extremely comfortable to use. It may be the most ergonomic cell phone I've ever held, it can be used with one hand for the most part. The layout of the physical buttons is great if you are a "hold with your left hand, tap with your right hand" person. I am really enjoying the larger screen. the 920 is a little thicker than a iPhone 4S but not enough that I notice. It fits in my pocket just right. I have that 14 day trial window, so I am going to really put this thing through all the tests and make sure it's a keeper.
Only thing is- the NFC- am I missing something? Anyone have any good uses for it? I can't figure out how to make it work with purchases or if ATT will even let you do that. I would appreciate input if anyone knows of any good uses for NFC on the 920.
Congrats on the phone, looks like a lot of people are enjoying it. As for the nfc question, payment options arent coming to the US until the next couple months I think, the carrier needs to provide the proper sim card security for that to work. But for now, NFC can be used to tap and send apps, contacts, photos, videos, and web pages. Pretty much like Sammy's S-Beam.
the lumia 920 has all the hardware specs we can think and dreamed of but WP8 OS is still grasping it's roots to stay alive in the ecosystem. their apps were still few and still have more room to grow than iOS. it will take some time before their apps will be leveling with iOS and Android in terms of popularity and usability. so i'll be sticking with iOS for another year or two.
The Lumia line is no worthy adversary opponent to the iPhone. The "worthy adversary" is the Galaxy line up. Which is quite sad, the galaxy line up is trying WAY to hard to become an iPhone, but some how has more sales , now I have a Galaxy S3 I like it, but it implements to many useless features like smartstay WTF, and they just slow down the device. Now Lumia, let me tell you about them. They want you to think that they are unique with their crap tile crapness but they aren't, they got sued over the tiles, and other phones (android) can chuck a launcher on it and done, tiles for you. And if you hate androids fragmentation, than you will never lay a hand on the Lumia. They BEST windows 7 phone will NOT get updates to windows 8 phone, and developers will not make apps for it. What happens if in a year later windows get tired of windows 8 and you are stuck, with no new apps, no development and no update, you have to buy ANOTHER one, even if it is the best Windows 8 phone. The UI is sluggish, even though it looks nice, it isn't. I have tired windows 8 on PC/tablet, its okay to good at best, but on a phone it would/is crap. Apps are at a maximum of 50,000 dwarfed by android's and iOS's 700k EACH and rising rapidly. Now I love android, but there is no competitor for iPhone, yeah the samsung line has around 50% of the smartphone market, but it has slow updates, because Samsung have to put their spin on the OS, lack of support (the Galaxy S was promised 18 months of updating, and 14 months later it didn't get updated to ICS, Samsung aren't trust worthy.) And my only bet would be the "Google Nexus" range but it doesn't have enough buyers, and is for more advanced users and devs, not the general consumer. So really iOS haven't met their match yet, even though they aren't at the top.
, now I have a Galaxy S3 I like it, but it implements to many useless features like smartstay WTF, and they just slow down the device. Now Lumia, let me tell you about them. They want you to think that they are unique with their crap tile crapness but they aren't, they got sued over the tiles, and other phones (android) can chuck a launcher on it and done, tiles for you. And if you hate androids fragmentation, than you will never lay a hand on the Lumia. They BEST windows 7 phone will NOT get updates to windows 8 phone, and developers will not make apps for it. What happens if in a year later windows get tired of windows 8 and you are stuck, with no new apps, no development and no update, you have to buy ANOTHER one, even if it is the best Windows 8 phone. The UI is sluggish, even though it looks nice, it isn't. I have tired windows 8 on PC/tablet, its okay to good at best, but on a phone it would/is crap. Apps are at a maximum of 50,000 dwarfed by android's and iOS's 700k EACH and rising rapidly. Now I love android, but there is no competitor for iPhone, yeah the samsung line has around 50% of the smartphone market, but it has slow updates, because Samsung have to put their spin on the OS, lack of support (the Galaxy S was promised 18 months of updating, and 14 months later it didn't get updated to ICS, Samsung aren't trust worthy.) And my only bet would be the "Google Nexus" range but it doesn't have enough buyers, and is for more advanced users and devs, not the general consumer. So really iOS haven't met their match yet, even though they aren't at the top.The Lumia line is no worthy adversary opponent to the iPhone. The "worthy adversary" is the Galaxy line up. Which is quite sad, the galaxy line up is trying WAY to hard to become an iPhone, but some how has more sales
The amount of misinformation and idiocy in this rant is too much for me to handle. First off, WP7 apps all work with WP8, ands theres 120,000 apps, not 50000, and they have more apps than Android had at their same time of development. Second, WP7 was running on the old CE kernel, so switching to the NT kernel that both Windows 8 and Windows RT share was a necessity that had to be done. Since NT supports up to 64 cores, pretty sure they wont bail on WP8 anytime soon, CE was just outdated and didnt support newer hardware.
The fact you say WP is sluggish makes me think youve never used one before. It is completely separate from Windows 8 other than their shared kernel, which might I add is incredibly fast so where you are getting this information from I have no idea. The fact WP7 ran smoother than Android and almost on par with iOS on single cores and paltry ram shows how well the software is optimized, and from every review Ive read WP8 is extremely quick.
As for the live tiles, sure you can get a launcher that LOOKS like Windows Phone, but it doesnt have the actual, you know, live tile functionality where useful information is displayed. And the whole they're getting sued thing is absolutely ridiculous and in no way will anything come out of that. Just another patent troll just like, I dont know, Apple?
Anyway, my head hurts from all the stupid that came out of that post, and may God have mercy on your soul.
Okay sorry 120k, that aren't optimised for the current os, it is still dwarfed by 700k on both android and iOS, and in a month it will be atleast 720K or 750K, and it looks, thats all the tiles are, looks, nothing more. Do you think it is some how special, that it can't be duplicated, like Siri which was duplicated in 8hrs by a small dev team. And "live tiles", wouldn't you rather widgets?
Apple is no where near a patent troll, they have good lawyers, who can win over the smallest of the patents, if you have a good OS than you need a good set of lawyers, who can defend it. Now I have many friends who ask what phone to get, because they know I research A HELL OF A LOT, and first thing that comes out of my mouth is "don't get windows phone", for these reasons:
1. The tiles aren't special.
2. Lack of apps.
3. Lack of support (from microsoft).
4. risk of being left behind a month after getting the phone.
5. All they update is the camera.
Now going by the single core "point", for one, single core phones aren't sold/bought heavily so this is invalid. For two, the Nexus S (that came out in 2010) is still being supported by Google, unlike the windows 7 phones out there, that are 1 year newer. And it only have 512mb ram and a single core CPU and one jellybean it works, as well as the Nexus 7 with a QUAD CORE and 12 GPU cores. (source: http://www.electronista.com/article...he.18.month.old.nexus.s.fare.with.jelly.bean/)
And sorry I used the wrong word, not sluggish, I mean not laggy but slow, and confusing, I have watched a few videos, like from engadget, and have formed my opinion, you have to have a manual, or tutorials, with a few features, or that is what I believe. So wait, you haven't used it either, that's a bit hypocritical. And I have a few friends with a WP7 phone and it is buggy and annoying, even just watching him use it.
Other than the "sluggish arguement" your points are invalid.
Oh and God would have mercy on everyone's soul.
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Companies get sued all the time for this crap, thats not really news. The whole patent system, especially when it comes to software patents, is an entirely different argument in and of itself. Considering WP has had live tiles for 2 years, seems a little strange that a company would sue them now and not from the start, dont you think?
Heres an article explaining the lawsuit...these guys are definitely trolls. Considering MS cited their patents while they got their for live tiles is a pretty telling sign that they didnt infringe their design.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-5...-and-can-it-spoil-microsofts-windows-8-party/
Heres an article explaining the lawsuit...these guys are definitely trolls. Considering MS cited their patents while they got their for live tiles is a pretty telling sign that they didnt infringe their design.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10805_3-5...-and-can-it-spoil-microsofts-windows-8-party/
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And Apple got sued by Creative for the original iPod UI. What does that tell you? Nothing. Everyone sues everyone these days. The tiles lawsuit is among the lamer of the bunch, but hardly the only time a big company has been slapped with a BS patent infringement case.
Hell, the people suing MS went out of their way to add the phrase "tiles" back in 2011 to give their suit more leverage. That's pretty telling.
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Look at my post, I was editing it when you replied.
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Yes, yes they are. They are trying to make it "just work" like iPhone, and I have the phone, and the whole nature thing it similar to iPhone, I prefer the S3 but I have to admit it is trying to be an iOS device.
Really? I have the phone as well plus the note 2, and I can honestly say I disagree with your statement
Okay sorry, I withdraw that point, it used to try to be an iphone (previous touchwiz versions)
I played with a 920 at an AT&T store earlier today and while the hardware is extremely impressive, I found the OS to be immature and not well thought-out.
I'd love to have the 920 running iOS.
By the way, the browser kinda sucks. It automatically renders the desktop version of web pages instead of the mobile version. That's okay on some sites but looks ridiculous on many.
Oh, and the camera seemed slow...takes about a full second to take a pic once you press the button. That just wouldn't work for me as I only have a split second to take many of the pics I take. I know why it takes a while (takes in more light) but it had no need to take in more light in that well-lit store. You'd think it would automatically adjust but I'm no shutterbug so I dunno...
I'd love to have the 920 running iOS.
By the way, the browser kinda sucks. It automatically renders the desktop version of web pages instead of the mobile version. That's okay on some sites but looks ridiculous on many.
Oh, and the camera seemed slow...takes about a full second to take a pic once you press the button. That just wouldn't work for me as I only have a split second to take many of the pics I take. I know why it takes a while (takes in more light) but it had no need to take in more light in that well-lit store. You'd think it would automatically adjust but I'm no shutterbug so I dunno...
Just disappointed by the lack of carrier options. For that reason alone I'll be getting the Note 2. Blame Nokia or Verizon, I really don't care who dropped the ball on this but it's just not worth it to switch carriers. Sorry Nokia, I would have loved to own a nokia finally after all these years of seeing them so prevalent overseas. When I was a kid in my teens I would see all these really cool looking Nokias that were architecturally stunning
Hmm oh well. Note 2 looks beautiful anyways.
Hmm oh well. Note 2 looks beautiful anyways.
I didn't think iOS had a patent on "simplicity"? I couldn't see Android and iOS being much more different. Seems like the S3 is trying to be a simpler Android device, nothing else.
Guise, I'm pretty sure my arm is going to fall of. It's incredibly sore, and for some reason when I put the phone in my pants, they keep falling down.
After a day of use, the weight and size of the phone are a non-issue. Well it really wasn't an issue in the first place, was it? Come on.
Anyway, so far so good. Learning the OS has taken some time as is anything once you're used to doing it a different way for so long. It's really awesome once you get to know it. It's smooth, slick, and fast. The live tiles are such a departure from what I am used to. Today was the perfect example; we had a thunderstorm roll through, and I was able to just quickly glance at my phone and see the weather tile live update the forecast. Not only that, but it also periodically changed to show a satellite view of where the storm was heading. It was really, really cool.
The 4.5" display is gorgeous. I don't think I can ever go back to anything smaller. I really didn't think it would make much of a difference, but just holding my iPhone 4 in my hand makes me cringe, how did I ever use such a tiny screen?
Honestly, I only have a few minor gripes with the phone. Yes, app support isn't the greatest, yet. But I was able to find a lot of apps I had used on my iPhone. Which I was a little surprised by.
The camera is great. It didn't feel slow to me. In fact, I just tested it out and was able to take ten pictures pretty damn quick. I love the little "lens" app options you can get. The video, a little disappointing. Don't get me wrong, the image stabilization works well, but I think there is an auto white balance issue. That results in some funky colors happening, when I changed to one of the set white balance options, it went away.
I forgot to mention the battery, and its one of the most impressive things about the phone. I'm on 15 hours of use. It's at 50%. And it even gives me a little estimate of 12 hours left on the battery. Neat.
After a day of use, the weight and size of the phone are a non-issue. Well it really wasn't an issue in the first place, was it? Come on.
Anyway, so far so good. Learning the OS has taken some time as is anything once you're used to doing it a different way for so long. It's really awesome once you get to know it. It's smooth, slick, and fast. The live tiles are such a departure from what I am used to. Today was the perfect example; we had a thunderstorm roll through, and I was able to just quickly glance at my phone and see the weather tile live update the forecast. Not only that, but it also periodically changed to show a satellite view of where the storm was heading. It was really, really cool.
The 4.5" display is gorgeous. I don't think I can ever go back to anything smaller. I really didn't think it would make much of a difference, but just holding my iPhone 4 in my hand makes me cringe, how did I ever use such a tiny screen?
Honestly, I only have a few minor gripes with the phone. Yes, app support isn't the greatest, yet. But I was able to find a lot of apps I had used on my iPhone. Which I was a little surprised by.
The camera is great. It didn't feel slow to me. In fact, I just tested it out and was able to take ten pictures pretty damn quick. I love the little "lens" app options you can get. The video, a little disappointing. Don't get me wrong, the image stabilization works well, but I think there is an auto white balance issue. That results in some funky colors happening, when I changed to one of the set white balance options, it went away.
I forgot to mention the battery, and its one of the most impressive things about the phone. I'm on 15 hours of use. It's at 50%. And it even gives me a little estimate of 12 hours left on the battery. Neat.
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