Impressed with Windows 7..Anybody else?

[clevin]

I'm a Vista user. I use Vista periodically (though I mostly use Xp, when using Windows). And I think that Vista is awful. Pretty much everyone I know hates Vista. Most of them have just downgraded to Xp. I don't really care about Apple ads, I care about my experience.

The only time when Apple did user users as beta testers was in the beginning of OS X. (10.0-10.2). That's true. After that, every OS was a stable OS. $129 is a good price. So let's say that 129$ got wasted. Look at what Microsoft is asking for the Ultimate Edition.

lets be honest here, do you really think you can represent most vista users? with your vista using experiences?

10.0 itself is a 100% beta, never been fully patched. every version of OSX has 6 months of beta testing, when Leopard was out, it was filled with wifi dropping, etc, problems and took 6 months and 3 patches to fix.

You may say only a fraction people had problems, and they complained loudly, thats correct, but thats just as true as for Vista users.

 

[EmperorDarius]

lets be honest here, do you really think you can represent most vista users? with your vista using experiences?

Well, since I know a lot of Vista users personally, I think I can represent a big portion of Vista users. People who like Vista are usually gamers.

10.0 itself is a 100% beta, never been fully patched. every version of OSX has 6 months of beta testing, when Leopard was out, it was filled with wifi dropping, etc, problems and took 6 months and 3 patches to fix.

My serious issues have been patched with 10.5.1, but, let's supposed it's like you say. 6 months of beta testings for an OS that requires only a few FREE updates to get the issues fixed, or 2 years for an OS that requires a completely new, NOT FREE OS? Which sounds better?

You may say only a fraction people had problems, and they complained loudly, thats correct, but thats just as true as for Vista users.

I think the number of people who don' t like Vista is quite big. If you don't consider people who got a new computer with Vista and can't/don't know how to downgrade, you'll see that most of the people (again, except for heavy gamers) have not upgraded to Vista. Windows 7 is looking fine but Vista...I like to suppose it never existed.

 

[jgbhardy]

Taskbar!

The one thing that is really annoying me is the new taskbar. I don't know if there is a way to turn this off, but I'm getting really annoyed with the preview thing it gives when you click on the program which means you then have to select the window, even if there is one window open in the program, through the preview thing. This is really annoying with msn also because it creates two preview things even though there is one window.

 

[clevin]

Well, since I know a lot of Vista users personally, I think I can represent a big portion of Vista users. People who like Vista are usually gamers.

Lets just say its very easy to generalize our own opinions, thats why there are research firms specialized in things

My serious issues have been patched with 10.5.1, but, let's supposed it's like you say. 6 months of beta testings for an OS that requires only a few FREE updates to get the issues fixed, or 2 years for an OS that requires a completely new, NOT FREE OS? Which sounds better?

you sure can't ignore the fact that during the lifetime of XP-Vista-7 (almost 10 years), there are 6 OSXs, thats total of 2 years beta testing, totally of 5 re installation of OSX in the time span, and $500. 7 update is $120, btw

I think the number of people who don' t like Vista is quite big. If you don't consider people who got a new computer with Vista and can't/don't know how to downgrade, you'll see that most of the people (again, except for heavy gamers) have not upgraded to Vista. Windows 7 is looking fine but Vista...I like to suppose it never existed.

the problem is here, in apple's RDF, every problem of MS is being exaggerated all the time, apple pushed out mac vs pc ads when Vista was out, to generate huge negative opinions of Vista. Does that necessarily mean real vista users mostly don't like it? I dont think so.

yeah, downgrade is a huge news in mac land too, but realistically, how many people downgraded their vista to xp? is there a number to show? Vista has 18% of market share right now, almost 4 times of OSX. failure? IDK, what do you think?

 

[MisterMe]

.... you sure can't ignore the fact that during the lifetime of XP-Vista-7 (almost 10 years), there are 6 OSXs, thats total of 2 years beta testing, totally of 5 re installation of OSX in the time span, and $500. 7 update is $120, btw

How quickly they forget! Before it hit the shelves, Win XP was host to the most dangerous computer viruses in the history of computing. XP's problems were so bad that Microsoft was forced to come up with the security through obscurity excuse for the fact that Macs had so few viruses. FWIW, Win98 still dominated the installed base, but much less susceptible to viruses, particularly in their severity.

the problem is here, in apple's RDF, every problem of MS is being exaggerated all the time, apple pushed out mac vs pc ads when Vista was out, to generate huge negative opinions of Vista. Does that necessarily mean real vista users mostly don't like it? I dont think so.

It is not an exaggeration that my local computer store advertises the availability of XP so that its customers can avoid the pitfalls of Vista. Scream to the top of your lungs that Vista is fine. However, screaming will not make it so.

yeah, downgrade is a huge news in mac land too, but realistically, how many people downgraded their vista to xp? is there a number to show? Vista has 18% of market share right now, almost 4 times of OSX. failure? IDK, what do you think?

I'm one who did it. I had to buy several Windows PCs for a dedicated task. I dared not risk the job to Vista. My vendor replaced Vista with XP at no charge.

 

[dejo]

the problem is here, in apple's RDF, every problem of MS is being exaggerated all the time, apple pushed out mac vs pc ads when Vista was out, to generate huge negative opinions of Vista.

First tech articles covering the woes of Vista: June 2006

First "I'm a Mac. I'm a PC" ads that mention Vista: "Choose a Vista" and "Party is Over", released May 7, 2007.

Yup, it was Apple's RDF that caused Vista to get a bad name.

 

[blackhand1001]

You guys tried it with the aero theme turn on? Does it still hog resources like mad..

Aero has never been any more of resource hog then quartz on Leopard. Heck Aero runs smoother on vista on Intel graphics than leopard's quartz gl does. And with windows 7 there is hardware acceleration for all types of windows, GDI, WPF, DirectX, which saves even more memory, something that mac doesn't have just yet.

 

[kate-willbury]

Well, since I know a lot of Vista users personally, I think I can represent a big portion of Vista users. People who like Vista are usually gamers.

My serious issues have been patched with 10.5.1, but, let's supposed it's like you say. 6 months of beta testings for an OS that requires only a few FREE updates to get the issues fixed, or 2 years for an OS that requires a completely new, NOT FREE OS? Which sounds better?


I think the number of people who don' t like Vista is quite big. If you don't consider people who got a new computer with Vista and can't/don't know how to downgrade, you'll see that most of the people (again, except for heavy gamers) have not upgraded to Vista. Windows 7 is looking fine but Vista...I like to suppose it never existed.

what kind of moronic argument is that? "i know a lot of vista users therefore i respresent the majority of vista users". do you actually believe that in your head???

i am also a vista user. i definitely do not play any games. i also know many other vista users. i've had absolutely NO problems whatsoever in the past year with my vista 64 home premium installation. nor have any of my friends really. ive had more issues on my brand new macbook in the past month or so then i've EVER had with windows.

honestly i have no idea how you mac folk think the mac dock is amazing in any way. i have to install a ton of different little programs in order for it to actually be an efficient task manager. without 'witch' the dock is the biggest piece of garbage ever.

 

[EmperorDarius]

Aero has never been any more of resource hog then quartz on Leopard. Heck Aero runs smoother on vista on Intel graphics than leopard's quartz gl does.

Not really, but even if it was the case at least Leopard DOES look good, Aero is awful.

 

[trekkie604]

Unless I skipped over it somewhere (which is a possibility please correct me if I am wrong)....


I still saw no multiple desktop support or ISO burning and mounting support :'( (A coworker said he saw burning but no mounting but I haven't found it).

No multiple desktop support, but ISO burning is part of my Ultimate edition...

 

[blackhand1001]

The one thing that is really annoying me is the new taskbar. I don't know if there is a way to turn this off, but I'm getting really annoyed with the preview thing it gives when you click on the program which means you then have to select the window, even if there is one window open in the program, through the preview thing. This is really annoying with msn also because it creates two preview things even though there is one window.

No, if theres only one window you can just click the icon.