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hajime

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They won't have the same limitations as the M2 ofcourse as it is a bigger chip.

The M1 Pro and M1 Max support many displays and so will the M2 Pro and M2 Max ofcourse.

You can basically view the M1 and M2 as the A14X and A15X, which is why you have these type of iPad limitations, while the M1 Pro and M1 Max are the real laptop chips from Apple.

I am a bit confused. Why M1 Pro and M1 Max support many displays? As far as I heard, only one display and people need to use Displaylink to have more than one display in extended screen mode.
 

Zest28

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I am a bit confused. Why M1 Pro and M1 Max support many displays? As far as I heard, only one display and people need to use Displaylink to have more than one display in extended screen mode.

The M1 Max has more silicon and is therefor able to have more silicon dedicated to display controllers.

There is no reason for the iPad to support multiple displays, hence why Apple probably decided to have only 1 display controller for the M1/M2 and use the available silicon for other stuff that is more useful.
 

leman

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I am a bit confused. Why M1 Pro and M1 Max support many displays?

M1 supports one 6K external display.
M1 Pro supports two 6K external displays.
M1 Max supports three 6K and one 4K external displays.

What are you confused about? M1 Pro/Max have more display controllers, which is why they can support more displays.
 

hajime

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M1 supports one 6K external display.
M1 Pro supports two 6K external displays.
M1 Max supports three 6K and one 4K external displays.

What are you confused about? M1 Pro/Max have more display controllers, which is why they can support more displays.

Are they in mirror mode only? Do you mean for MacBook Pro 16" with M1 Pro, I can connect to two 4K displays at 60Hz in extended mode while for MacBook Pro 16" with M1 Max, I can connect to three 4K displays at 60Hz. In both cases, all in extended screen mode and without DisplayLink?

Why some users need to use DisplayLink? Is it just for M1 and M2 users?

Basically, I want to connect a MacBook Pro 16" with M1 Pro or M1 Max to two external 4K TVs @60Hz in extended screen mode rather than just mirror mode. TVs only have HDMI 2.0 ports. I want to do that via a dock which also provides 1-5Gbps ethernet connection and charging.
 
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leman

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Do you mean for MacBook Pro 16" with M1 Pro, I can connect to two 4K displays at 60Hz in extended mode while for MacBook Pro 16" with M1 Max, I can connect to three 4K displays at 60Hz. In both cases, all in extended screen mode and without DisplayLink?

Precisely. You can use whatever mode you want with these displays. This is the numbers of displays supported by the hardware directly.

Basically, I want to connect a MacBook Pro 16" with M1 Pro or M1 Max to two external 4K TVs @60Hz in extended screen mode rather than just mirror mode. TVs only have HDMI 2.0 ports. I want to do that via a dock which also provides 1-5Gbps ethernet connection and charging.

You shouldn't have any problems with that. Save of course for potential compatibility issues and the capabilities of the dock itself.
 
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jdb8167

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Basically, I want to connect a MacBook Pro 16" with M1 Pro or M1 Max to two external 4K TVs @60Hz in extended screen mode rather than just mirror mode. TVs only have HDMI 2.0 ports. I want to do that via a dock which also provides 1-5Gbps ethernet connection and charging.
Make sure the dock can handle 2 displays at 60 Hz. I have a USB-C dock that can support 2 displays but only one at 60 Hz and the other at 30 Hz.

Of course it is possible that your TVs only support 30 Hz anyway.
 
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hajime

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Precisely. You can use whatever mode you want with these displays. This is the numbers of displays supported by the hardware directly.



You shouldn't have any problems with that. Save of course for potential compatibility issues and the capabilities of the dock itself.

That's good. Why some MacBook Pro users need to use DisplayLink to hook up to two displays?
 

hajime

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Make sure the dock can handle 2 displays at 60 Hz. I have a USB-C dock that can support 2 displays but only one at 60 Hz and the other at 30 Hz.

Of course it is possible that your TVs only support 30 Hz anyway.

Both my TVs can run at 4K@60Hz, no problem.
 

jdb8167

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That's good. Why some MacBook Pro users need to use DisplayLink to hook up to two displays?
13” M1 or M2 MacBook Pros only support one external display. M1 Pro and M1 Max 14” and 16” support at least two.
 
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leman

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Why some MacBook Pro users need to use DisplayLink to hook up to two displays?

No idea. Frankly, I don't understand why someone would buy a Mac and then use a USB video card for primary display output. It's like buying a sports car to transport farming equipment.
 

theorist9

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According to TSMC press release, 3-2 Fin (N3E) is supposed to bring 33% faster speeds over N5. Given that promise I’d say that 10% is a bit underwhelming


The OP is talking about the next gen of AS chips that will be on 3 nm, and that's most likely going to be N3 rather than N3E (N3 devices should be shipping to customers 1H 2023). And according to this article by Anton Shilov on Anandtech, that 33% figure is probably for N3E rather than N3, and for efficiency improvement rather than performance improvement over N5.

Performance and efficiency improvments aren't symmetric for these chips: As a rule of thumb, you can choose either an x% improvement in efficiency, or a 0.5x% improvement in performance. So if Apple goes for performance with N3, we should seen a 10-15% improvement over N5 for the same microarchitecture and clock speeds

Of course, we might see new microarchitechture and/or faster clocks with the next gen N3 chips on the 14"/16" MBPs. Though Apple's practice thus far has been to release the new microarch on the less complex chips first, which suggests the early 2023 MBP's will still be A15-based. But maybe the clock speeds....

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Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/17469/tsmc-first-n2-node-to-use-gaafets-skip-backside-power
 

Admiral

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Such strategy would be interesting for at least two reasons: a) it would help them get back on their already massively delayed schedule and b) it would make prosumer chips more advanced than the consumer chips, generating positive PR for pros.

Massively delayed schedule?
 

thenewperson

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Yeah, the battery power should be increased!
On the 16" Apple can't really do that because of the 100WHr limit on planes. They can always just add more battery and people who own 16" models can resign themselves to not flying with it.

The 14" can always be upped to 99WHr like the 16" but then it'd not get up to M1 level on load anyway (And probably would make the 16" look worse)
 

MrGunny94

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On the 16" Apple can't really do that because of the 100WHr limit on planes. They can always just add more battery and people who own 16" models can resign themselves to not flying with it.

The 14" can always be upped to 99WHr like the 16" but then it'd not get up to M1 level on load anyway (And probably would make the 16" look worse)
Would love either a bigger battery on the 14" or a more efficient SOC in 3nm :)
 

diamond.g

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On the 16" Apple can't really do that because of the 100WHr limit on planes. They can always just add more battery and people who own 16" models can resign themselves to not flying with it.

The 14" can always be upped to 99WHr like the 16" but then it'd not get up to M1 level on load anyway (And probably would make the 16" look worse)
Per federal regs:
For a lithium ion battery, the Watt-hour rating must not exceed 100 Wh. With the approval of the operator, portable electronic devices may contain lithium ion batteries exceeding 100 Wh, but not exceeding 160 Wh and no more than two individually protected lithium ion batteries each exceeding 100 Wh, but not exceeding 160 Wh, may be carried per person as spare batteries in carry-on baggage.
So technically if the airline allows it a laptop can have a battery as big as 160Wh.
 

senttoschool

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For the new M2 Pro CPU, Apple currently test 2 main model, one with 12 CPU core in N3 (3nm) with 8 high performance and lower efficiency 3-2 FIN cores, 2 middle performance and middler efficiency 2-2 FIN cores and 2 low performance and higher efficiency 2-1 FIN cores. This model 0.1 faster than other M2 pro and 0.35 more efficiency than other M2 pro but no mass production for long months.
If this is model which will be final M2 Pro, it will be announce and come in March/April 2023.
I personally don't think M2 will have 3-tiers of cores. We would have seen something like this in the M2 if so. If it's an M3, I'd believe it more.

So this could be an M3 12 CPU core with 8/2/2 design on 3nm and shipping in March/April 2023.
 
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Boil

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M3 would most likely be on 3nm and introduce hardware ray tracing, with LPDDR5X providing up to 1TB of RAM...

EDIT TO ADD: Clarification; I meant 1TB RAM with a M3 Extreme (quad M3 Max SoCs) configuration...
 
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