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spinedoc77

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Jun 11, 2009
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Correct, when it's YOUR own logic and YOUR own common sense. ;)

I'll make sure and not include 2009 ending with windows 92.2% market share. Once again logic and common sense win out, at least with myself, but not always with others. Nothing wrong with OSx in the least even though I personally don't prefer it, I'm not a fanboy either way and would gladly use whatever OS worked for my needs. ;);)
 

size100

macrumors regular
Dec 18, 2010
113
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Lets leave it at that and have this forum stop flaming windows. There are obviously people that use it and love it.
 

shingi70

macrumors regular
Mar 14, 2010
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Sticking with OSX. Which is pretty much made of fail in any non-artsy business environment.

I own 4 macs, 1 Mac Pro, 1 iMac, 1 MBP, 1 MBA, all running W7.

OSX is nice for children, hipsters and designers(oh HI 64 bit Creative Suite, NOT!) but Windows will remain king of "I actually make money" jobs.

Below this line: children defending OSX

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so most recording and movie studios arent i make money jobs? what about all the news outlets or magazines.

still i agree in most business places (i inten at a law firm) you need windows and sharepoint. good thing i'm an art student
 

DeusEx

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Jun 26, 2010
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Has anyone experienced a slight slow-down in boot speed for OSX when boot-camp has been installed? How fast on average does the Macbook Air 13" boot?
 
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gonnabuyamacbsh

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Oct 24, 2010
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been running windows my whole life and have downloaded countless movies, songs, torrents, applications, and have visited thousands of pornsites (puberty) and have never gotten a virus or slowed down. Dont even use an anti virus software (btw windows essential is the best anti virus sw and its free from microsofts website). I dont understand how people have so many problems with windows.

No offense, but what do you guys do to get so frustrated with windows? Apple has best hardware on the market for the price imo and thatd why I buy macbooks.
 

MikePA

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Aug 17, 2008
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No offense, but what do you guys do to get so frustrated with windows? Apple has best hardware on the market for the price imo and thatd why I buy macbooks.
I have both OSX (iMac and MBA11) and Windows7 (netbook and Parallels) and I've never had any problems with Windows. I think most of the anti-Windows posts are phony, made by inexperienced people or by people who get their jollies by denigrating the choices made by others.
 

macbookair13

macrumors newbie
Dec 28, 2010
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Why wouuld you want windows 7 on a Mac? Isn't that the whole point of having a mac computer, like with the software and stuff !

Thanks,
Macbookair13
 

size100

macrumors regular
Dec 18, 2010
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Why wouuld you want windows 7 on a Mac? Isn't that the whole point of having a mac computer, like with the software and stuff !

Thanks,
Macbookair13


The operating system is something that comes along with a macbook. It is not the only positive that they have. The build quality, screen, size, battery life and the total package are all good reasons to buy a macbook. The reason people use windows 7 is because it may be a better operating system for them.
 

Beanoir

macrumors 6502a
Dec 9, 2010
571
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51 degrees North
I'll make sure and not include 2009 ending with windows 92.2% market share. Once again logic and common sense win out, at least with myself, but not always with others. Nothing wrong with OSx in the least even though I personally don't prefer it, I'm not a fanboy either way and would gladly use whatever OS worked for my needs. ;);)

And most of that 92% are sold to corporates.

If you're into your stats then you might like this one. Apple has 90% share of the premium computer market (defined as above $1,000). You can read that a number of ways probably, but it tells you a lot when you start to remove price as a factor.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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And most of that 92% are sold to corporates.

If you're into your stats then you might like this one. Apple has 90% share of the premium computer market (defined as above $1,000). You can read that a number of ways probably, but it tells you a lot when you start to remove price as a factor.

How can you remove price as a factor when the statistic is talking about the computer market above $1000? I haven't had time to research it, but I'll bet that windows consumer sales are still a huge amount more than Macs. Don't forget Windows has a large market in inexpensive PC's, most of them well under $1000. I will certainly agree with you that expensive computer sales are where Apple shines, but I'm not sure what that says other than Apple doesn't offer many systems for under $1000. From what I've seen in reading thru research OSx isn't actually selling more, they are kind of flat this year and last year in sales. What is boosting them up is iOS.

But at the end of the day, statistics aside, my point is that I love Mac hardware and Windows is the OS that best fulfills my needs, so that's why I use them combined. Windows doesn't bog down or have any more issues than OSx does, at least for me using a lot of hardware configurations for years.
 

archipellago

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Aug 16, 2008
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ok, well i'm not sure if you're in agreement with me or not, but I certainly do hope you're not referring to me as a "fanboy"?

Either way, the myth I refer to of using W7, is personal experience, I have owned many Windows machines in the past, and as I said above they have their place but they do have serious flaws too. Neither is better than the other per se, but the flaws I referred to with Windows are real. There a re many flaws and limitations of OSX too, but they don't affect me at the moment with what I need to do, but it might again one day.

One thing I do find interesting, which I challenge anybody to deny, is this:

In the last 15 years, Apple and it's OS has grown hugely in what was a Microsoft dominated world, with only the very dedicated designers and picture desks using Macs. Now, lets take average Joe Bloggs, he uses a computer for, web surfing, email, storing mp3 and photos etc, he doesn't give a monkey's uncle about SQL servers, configuring networks, screen gamut or front side bus. He wants a computer that starts up quickly, with as few errors as possible, that doesn't require him to be a Microsoft Certified Engineer in order to have the system working to it's optimum after 12 months.

You can dispute the above, but I'm afraid it's fact, Apple's, for the general public (which is the majority of people that buy Apple these days) are more reliable and easier to use, which after all is what everybody wants in a consumer product isn't it. Apple appeal to these people, which is why Apple have grown from strength to strength and now have around a 10% market share.

Call me a fanboy all you like, but the facts are there, and popular opinion is backed up by unit sales.


Apple's worldwide market share is actually closer to 4% (based on Apple's figures vs worldwide market size)

Most problems with any brand/make/model of computer platform originate from the organic mush sat behind the keyboard.

I have used Macs and 'PC's' extensively....my biggest issues hardware/software wise have always been with Macs. Not to say that my experience is universal but to me there is no reason to not use Windows when you consider the price/value angle.

I have a homebuilt quad core PC that even with monitor is half the price of a mac mini even.

I turn it on in the morning.....turn it off at night. I have been doing this since I got it a week after Win 7 was released. It just works like 99% of all computers do.

Why woudl i spend more to do less....slower???? Nonsensical.

Overall Win7 is by far the best OS for any consumer out there with all factors considered.

good article here... http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/a...er-Snow-Leopard-and-you-should-too/1253136981
Last week, I returned to using Windows 7 after spending the summer on a 13-inch MacBook Pro. Apple almost had me there for awhile, but I'm back where I belong and satisfied with the switch. Given that Apple released Snow Leopard a couple of weeks ago, Windows 7 officially launches October 22nd and there is plenty of geek debate about which OS is better, it's appropriate time to tell the story about how I went -- in the words of J.R.R. Tolkien -- "there and back again."

First, some background. I am a longtime Mac and Windows user. I have used Windows pretty much since its release in the early 1990s and Macs since December 1998, when I carted a Bondi Blue iMac out of a CompUSA. Based on my reading comments, many Betanews readers are religious about their platform choices; I am not. Mac OS and Windows are just tools to me. I don't dogmatically defend either platform. I'm neither Mac or Windows fanboy. My work requires using both operating systems, and for convenience one usually is primary. That said, I've flopped between platforms for more than a decade.

In April, I posted at my old work blog: "How I Came to Get a PC and Not a Mac." There I explained how in January 2009, I forsook the Mac for the PC, mainly because of Windows 7. If someone asked me in November 2008 about buying a Windows PC, I would have laughed. It just wasn't happening. But Windows 7 won me over, in beta and later release candidate.

Still, post switch, I struggled with a key product category: Digital media creation software suite. In a June blog post, I asked: "Why is there no iLife equivalent for Windows?" Windows Live Essentials isn't it, although Microsoft's digital media suite is lots closer since the final release of Windows Live Movie Maker. Ahead of Comic-Con 2009, where I planned video interviews and needed easy and efficient software to process them, I moved back into the Apple camp. My main machine became the then new 13-inch MacBook Pro. I also planned to test out the MacBook Pro's new battery and later Snow Leopard.

The Mac portable's battery life hugely satisfied (consistently 6 hours) but not Snow Leopard. I find Snow Leopard to be hugely disappointing, shockingly so. Apple promised no major, new features, so I didn't expect much -- and the $29 price ($100 less than Leopard) further lowered expectations. But, after using Snow Leopard, I think $29 is asking too much for what Microsoft would call a Service Pack and give away for free.

From an architectural perspective, however, Snow Leopard is Apple's most important Mac OS X release since the dot-oh release in March 2001. I call Snow Leopard a fix-the-plumbing release, in preparation for moving the Mac install base forward to 64-bit. Performance tweaks are everywhere, and you can feel them in subtle but distinct ways. I predict that Mac OS X 10.7 will be a big release, jumping off Snow Leopard's architectural remodeling. But for now, Snow Leopard offers few benefits where users can see them.

The Mac OS X user interface, once trendsetting, is now a tired motif overdue for overhaul. Worse, Apple hints at what the UI could and should be in a few places, with QuickTime being the most visible example. The QuickTime UI is refreshing and new -- delightful. Something similar should skin much of Snow Leopard. Worse still, QuickTime's more modern UI is jarring reminder when switching back to the Snow Leopard Finder about how old most of the rest of Mac OS X feels.

By comparison, Windows 7 feels surprisingly fresh. Microsoft is finally doing good user interface design. Around 2006, which coincidentally -- or not -- is about when Bill Buxton joined Microsoft Research as principal researcher, the company started making huge strides in UI and UX (user experience) design. Buxton is a well-know UX designer who professes mantra:


Ultimately, we are deluding ourselves if we think that the products that we design are the 'things' that we sell, rather than the individual, social and cultural experience that they engender, and the value and impact that they have. Design that ignores this is not worthy of the name.

I find myself to be way more productive using Windows 7 than any Mac OS X version, and that's surprising to me. For years, the greater productivity claim belonged to Mac OS X. Consistently, I get about 30 percent to 40 percent more work done using Windows 7 than either Leopard or Snow Leopard. Windows Vista doesn't rate. The combined usability flaws -- everything from slow resume from sleep to nagging pop-ups to UI pauses or hangs -- are too much for me to use Windows Vista any longer.

More importantly, I have loads more fun using Windows 7 than Mac OS X. I haven't had this much fun using a Microsoft operating system since Windows 95. After more than three months running Mac OS X, I really missed Windows 7. By comparison, for the six months I primarily used Windows 7 test builds, I only missed Mac OS X for iLife.

There still is no iLife for Windows, but I decided to do without. Perhaps if Snow Leopard was more or Windows 7 much less, I would be using a Mac laptop today. I did briefly use Apple's Boot Camp to install and run Windows 7 gold code on the MacBook Pro (Hey, the Windows Experience Index was 5.2 -- not bad). But I wanted something more from a lightweight portable that Apple doesn't offer, which I explain in a couple paragraphs. The MacBook Pro is gone now and replaced with a Sony VAIO.

I find the Sony VAIO, model Z720D/B, to be much better value than the 13-inch MacBook Pro. Sony sells the VAIO for $1,849.99, but some dealers charge less. I got mine from PC Nation for $1,499.98 -- or about $100 less than the 13-inch MacBook Pro sold direct from Apple ($75 less from some dealers). A friend bought the MacBook and digital camera, which more than covered cost of the VAIO.

Sony config: 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor (1066MHz front-side bus), 13.1-inch LED backlit display with 1600-by-900 resolution, (dedicated) 256MB nVidia GeForce 9300M GS graphics (DDR3) and Mobile Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD, 4GB of DDR3 memory, 320GB SATA hard drive (7,200 rpm), dual-layer DVD burner, Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR, 10/100/1000 Ethernet, fingerprint reader, 802.11a/b/g/n wireless, two USB ports, FireWire 400 port, HDMI port, Verizon EVDO modem and Windows Vista Business 64-bit.

MacBook config: 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor (1066MHz front-side bus), 13.3-inch LED-backlit display with 1280-by-800 resolution, 4GB DDR3 memory, (shared) 256MB nVidia GeForce 9400M (DDR3) graphics, 250GB SATA hard drive (5,400 rpm), dual-layer DVD burner, 802.11n wireless, backlit keyboard, Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR, 10/100/1000 Ethernet, two USB ports, FireWire 800 port, one Mini DisplayPort and Mac OS X 10.5.

While the computers are fairly close in terms of base hardware, I find the VAIO's higher screen resolution to be a highly appealing feature, and the major reason for my replacing the MacBook rather than installing Windows 7 via Boot Camp.

Since there has been so much unnecessary noise about 20-hour Windows 7 upgrades -- which Scott Fulton appropriately addressed yesterday -- I would briefly like to share my own expierence. After unboxing the Z720 and booting it up, I immediately made restore discs. After which, I removed unwanted software, such as Google Toolbar and Symantec anti-malware. I then installed Microsoft Security Essentials beta and Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit gold code. The upgrade took about 45 minutes. The Windows installer warned of compatibility problems with four Sony utilities, but they all work just fine.

Windows 7 performance is excellent, and resume-from-sleep time is about as fast as Snow Leopard. I've no complaints and lots of satisfaction for the switch. For anyone holding back because of Vista, Windows 7 is for you. For anyone considering switching to a Mac, wait to see what new designs PC manufacturers release with Windows 7. You might be surprised just how cool they can be.

Gulp, here it comes. I'm a PC, and why aren't you?
 

pzuppas

macrumors newbie
Dec 29, 2010
1
0
Boot Camp Partitions on SSD's



I've recently purchased a 15" MAC Pro (my first) w/512 GB SSD. My plan is to partition the drive via BootCamp and install Win7 64 bit version for work related applications.

I was told by my friendly apple rep that there is a limitation to the number of times that I can re-format/(re-partition?) the SSD Hard drive without a really thorough explanation as to why or what the implications are.

Has anyone encountered this problem using machines w/SSD Hard-Drives?

Thanks.
 

Beanoir

macrumors 6502a
Dec 9, 2010
571
2
51 degrees North
Apple's worldwide market share is actually closer to 4% (based on Apple's figures vs worldwide market size)

Most problems with any brand/make/model of computer platform originate from the organic mush sat behind the keyboard.

I have used Macs and 'PC's' extensively....my biggest issues hardware/software wise have always been with Macs. Not to say that my experience is universal but to me there is no reason to not use Windows when you consider the price/value angle.

I have a homebuilt quad core PC that even with monitor is half the price of a mac mini even.

I turn it on in the morning.....turn it off at night. I have been doing this since I got it a week after Win 7 was released. It just works like 99% of all computers do.

Why woudl i spend more to do less....slower???? Nonsensical.

Overall Win7 is by far the best OS for any consumer out there with all factors considered.

good article here... http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/a...er-Snow-Leopard-and-you-should-too/1253136981
Last week, I returned to using Windows 7 after spending the summer on a 13-inch MacBook Pro. Apple almost had me there for awhile, but I'm back where I belong and satisfied with the switch. Given that Apple released Snow Leopard a couple of weeks ago, Windows 7 officially launches October 22nd and there is plenty of geek debate about which OS is better, it's appropriate time to tell the story about how I went -- in the words of J.R.R. Tolkien -- "there and back again."

First, some background. I am a longtime Mac and Windows user. I have used Windows pretty much since its release in the early 1990s and Macs since December 1998, when I carted a Bondi Blue iMac out of a CompUSA. Based on my reading comments, many Betanews readers are religious about their platform choices; I am not. Mac OS and Windows are just tools to me. I don't dogmatically defend either platform. I'm neither Mac or Windows fanboy. My work requires using both operating systems, and for convenience one usually is primary. That said, I've flopped between platforms for more than a decade.

In April, I posted at my old work blog: "How I Came to Get a PC and Not a Mac." There I explained how in January 2009, I forsook the Mac for the PC, mainly because of Windows 7. If someone asked me in November 2008 about buying a Windows PC, I would have laughed. It just wasn't happening. But Windows 7 won me over, in beta and later release candidate.

Still, post switch, I struggled with a key product category: Digital media creation software suite. In a June blog post, I asked: "Why is there no iLife equivalent for Windows?" Windows Live Essentials isn't it, although Microsoft's digital media suite is lots closer since the final release of Windows Live Movie Maker. Ahead of Comic-Con 2009, where I planned video interviews and needed easy and efficient software to process them, I moved back into the Apple camp. My main machine became the then new 13-inch MacBook Pro. I also planned to test out the MacBook Pro's new battery and later Snow Leopard.

The Mac portable's battery life hugely satisfied (consistently 6 hours) but not Snow Leopard. I find Snow Leopard to be hugely disappointing, shockingly so. Apple promised no major, new features, so I didn't expect much -- and the $29 price ($100 less than Leopard) further lowered expectations. But, after using Snow Leopard, I think $29 is asking too much for what Microsoft would call a Service Pack and give away for free.

From an architectural perspective, however, Snow Leopard is Apple's most important Mac OS X release since the dot-oh release in March 2001. I call Snow Leopard a fix-the-plumbing release, in preparation for moving the Mac install base forward to 64-bit. Performance tweaks are everywhere, and you can feel them in subtle but distinct ways. I predict that Mac OS X 10.7 will be a big release, jumping off Snow Leopard's architectural remodeling. But for now, Snow Leopard offers few benefits where users can see them.

The Mac OS X user interface, once trendsetting, is now a tired motif overdue for overhaul. Worse, Apple hints at what the UI could and should be in a few places, with QuickTime being the most visible example. The QuickTime UI is refreshing and new -- delightful. Something similar should skin much of Snow Leopard. Worse still, QuickTime's more modern UI is jarring reminder when switching back to the Snow Leopard Finder about how old most of the rest of Mac OS X feels.

By comparison, Windows 7 feels surprisingly fresh. Microsoft is finally doing good user interface design. Around 2006, which coincidentally -- or not -- is about when Bill Buxton joined Microsoft Research as principal researcher, the company started making huge strides in UI and UX (user experience) design. Buxton is a well-know UX designer who professes mantra:


Ultimately, we are deluding ourselves if we think that the products that we design are the 'things' that we sell, rather than the individual, social and cultural experience that they engender, and the value and impact that they have. Design that ignores this is not worthy of the name.

I find myself to be way more productive using Windows 7 than any Mac OS X version, and that's surprising to me. For years, the greater productivity claim belonged to Mac OS X. Consistently, I get about 30 percent to 40 percent more work done using Windows 7 than either Leopard or Snow Leopard. Windows Vista doesn't rate. The combined usability flaws -- everything from slow resume from sleep to nagging pop-ups to UI pauses or hangs -- are too much for me to use Windows Vista any longer.

More importantly, I have loads more fun using Windows 7 than Mac OS X. I haven't had this much fun using a Microsoft operating system since Windows 95. After more than three months running Mac OS X, I really missed Windows 7. By comparison, for the six months I primarily used Windows 7 test builds, I only missed Mac OS X for iLife.

There still is no iLife for Windows, but I decided to do without. Perhaps if Snow Leopard was more or Windows 7 much less, I would be using a Mac laptop today. I did briefly use Apple's Boot Camp to install and run Windows 7 gold code on the MacBook Pro (Hey, the Windows Experience Index was 5.2 -- not bad). But I wanted something more from a lightweight portable that Apple doesn't offer, which I explain in a couple paragraphs. The MacBook Pro is gone now and replaced with a Sony VAIO.

I find the Sony VAIO, model Z720D/B, to be much better value than the 13-inch MacBook Pro. Sony sells the VAIO for $1,849.99, but some dealers charge less. I got mine from PC Nation for $1,499.98 -- or about $100 less than the 13-inch MacBook Pro sold direct from Apple ($75 less from some dealers). A friend bought the MacBook and digital camera, which more than covered cost of the VAIO.

Sony config: 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor (1066MHz front-side bus), 13.1-inch LED backlit display with 1600-by-900 resolution, (dedicated) 256MB nVidia GeForce 9300M GS graphics (DDR3) and Mobile Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 4500MHD, 4GB of DDR3 memory, 320GB SATA hard drive (7,200 rpm), dual-layer DVD burner, Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR, 10/100/1000 Ethernet, fingerprint reader, 802.11a/b/g/n wireless, two USB ports, FireWire 400 port, HDMI port, Verizon EVDO modem and Windows Vista Business 64-bit.

MacBook config: 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor (1066MHz front-side bus), 13.3-inch LED-backlit display with 1280-by-800 resolution, 4GB DDR3 memory, (shared) 256MB nVidia GeForce 9400M (DDR3) graphics, 250GB SATA hard drive (5,400 rpm), dual-layer DVD burner, 802.11n wireless, backlit keyboard, Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR, 10/100/1000 Ethernet, two USB ports, FireWire 800 port, one Mini DisplayPort and Mac OS X 10.5.

While the computers are fairly close in terms of base hardware, I find the VAIO's higher screen resolution to be a highly appealing feature, and the major reason for my replacing the MacBook rather than installing Windows 7 via Boot Camp.

Since there has been so much unnecessary noise about 20-hour Windows 7 upgrades -- which Scott Fulton appropriately addressed yesterday -- I would briefly like to share my own expierence. After unboxing the Z720 and booting it up, I immediately made restore discs. After which, I removed unwanted software, such as Google Toolbar and Symantec anti-malware. I then installed Microsoft Security Essentials beta and Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit gold code. The upgrade took about 45 minutes. The Windows installer warned of compatibility problems with four Sony utilities, but they all work just fine.

Windows 7 performance is excellent, and resume-from-sleep time is about as fast as Snow Leopard. I've no complaints and lots of satisfaction for the switch. For anyone holding back because of Vista, Windows 7 is for you. For anyone considering switching to a Mac, wait to see what new designs PC manufacturers release with Windows 7. You might be surprised just how cool they can be.

Gulp, here it comes. I'm a PC, and why aren't you?

Well you're a lucky one aren't you.

I have a mac mini at home, and a pro at work, both are running on a bit, and the mini is 5 years old, i've had to re-install OSX probably no more than once on each machine in that time (aside from upgrades). Compare that to the Windows machines we have at work which need some kind of OS re-install, hard drive format, profile re-build etc etc regularly, some of which machines are only a couple of years old. I'm sorry if you disagree but they do generally need more time invested in them and a greater knowledge of IT to make them work smoothly.

I've lost track of how many times recently I've had to sort my girlfriends laptop out because it's refusing to do simple things like connect to the wireless router, or active-x needs re-installing, virus software needs to be updated etc etc. None of which are normally an issue on a Mac. They are all small things I know for those with an ounce of knowledge but you make the assumption that everybody has that knowledge, they don't, and they don't want it either, they just want hassle free computing.

Thats why Apple and it's OSX are better generally for people that can't be arsed to dick around with Windows all the time.
 

spinedoc77

macrumors G4
Jun 11, 2009
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Well you're a lucky one aren't you.

I have a mac mini at home, and a pro at work, both are running on a bit, and the mini is 5 years old, i've had to re-install OSX probably no more than once on each machine in that time (aside from upgrades). Compare that to the Windows machines we have at work which need some kind of OS re-install, hard drive format, profile re-build etc etc regularly, some of which machines are only a couple of years old. I'm sorry if you disagree but they do generally need more time invested in them and a greater knowledge of IT to make them work smoothly.

I've lost track of how many times recently I've had to sort my girlfriends laptop out because it's refusing to do simple things like connect to the wireless router, or active-x needs re-installing, virus software needs to be updated etc etc. None of which are normally an issue on a Mac. They are all small things I know for those with an ounce of knowledge but you make the assumption that everybody has that knowledge, they don't, and they don't want it either, they just want hassle free computing.

Thats why Apple and it's OSX are better generally for people that can't be arsed to dick around with Windows all the time.

Nah, still the same myths. Of all the things you noted were issues I've never had those issues on Win7, not a single one. I run a good 15 or so Windows7 machines between work and home since Win7 was released, really prior to that as I had most of them on Win7 beta. The only machine I've reinstalled the OS on has been my Air, which is running Win7 under bootcamp, and that's only because my trackpad stopped working and Apple wanted me to reinstall the OS.

But then again my experiences are only anecdotal, as are yours. I have Apple devices which have given me many problems, the trackpad on my Air stopped working, I've gone thru a couple of iphones that failed over the years, my ip4 drops calls if I put my finger on the wrong spot, my ipad regularly quits programs with no notice, etc etc I could put up a list but what good would it do? No one builds a perfect piece of hardware or software, but it doesn't do any good to magnify Windows shortcomings, it just ends up being obviously fanboyish. Both OS' are very good and get the job done, but some prefer one while others prefer the other one. While it's quite true that Apple's OS' have usually been more hassle free Windows has made HUGE leaps and strides into becoming a "hassle free" OS. All the things you mention have run perfectly on all my Win7 machines without an iota of input from me.
 
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tmoerel

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Nah, still the same myths. Of all the things you noted were issues I've never had those issues on Win7, not a single one. I run a good 15 or so Windows7 machines between work and home since Win7 was released, really prior to that as I had most of them on Win7 beta. The only machine I've reinstalled the OS on has been my Air, which is running Win7 under bootcamp, and that's only because my trackpad stopped working and Apple wanted me to reinstall the OS.

But then again my experiences are only anecdotal, as are yours. I have Apple devices which have given me many problems, the trackpad on my Air stopped working, I've gone thru a couple of iphones that failed over the years, my ip4 drops calls if I put my finger on the wrong spot, my ipad regularly quits programs with no notice, etc etc I could put up a list but what good would it do? No one builds a perfect piece of hardware or software, but it doesn't do any good to magnify Windows shortcomings, it just ends up being obviously fanboyish. Both OS' are very good and get the job done, but some prefer one while others prefer the other one. While it's quite true that Apple's OS' have usually been more hassle free Windows has made HUGE leaps and strides into becoming a "hassle free" OS. All the things you mention have run perfectly on all my Win7 machines without an iota of input from me.

I use both OS X and windows 7 but in the end i have to admit that the one thing windows lacks is a solid underlying Unix base. Nothing nicer than having the power of Unix at your fingers. Microsoft doesn't even bother to add a SSH client to windows.
 

moonfirebogdan

macrumors newbie
Jan 5, 2011
10
0
I've done some research and found out that you can't completely replace OS X with Windows 7, is that true?
I wish I could use the entire disk for Windows 7...
 

Jayomat

macrumors 6502a
Jan 10, 2009
703
0
I've done some research and found out that you can't completely replace OS X with Windows 7, is that true?
I wish I could use the entire disk for Windows 7...

Install Windows via Bootcamp. Backup your important data (pictures, movies, whatnot..). Boot into Windows, format the OSX partition to NTFS.. there you go.. Start up may take a little longer, but that's about it.
 

Jayomat

macrumors 6502a
Jan 10, 2009
703
0
Thanks, I'll try that. I thought Windows needs OS X to boot.

Oh and just in case: set the startvolume to the bootcamp partition (in OSX) before you format the osx partition. I don't remember it to be necessary (I had Win only myself for a couple of month), but it won't hurt.. I switched back to OSX because the battery life with Windows on my macbook was like 50% of what I got with OSX..
 

moonfirebogdan

macrumors newbie
Jan 5, 2011
10
0
Well, it doesn't seem like I'll be able to install it after all.
Says "The firmware refused to boot from the selected volume"
 
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