Does anyone know if this is slated? I want to find out if merom is gonna end up in a macbook soon or what? Can't find anything. The damn asus macbook 2.0 finally came out, hopefully something will happen at wwdc!! I got money on 'intel 2 duo' showing up in a new 'mac/laptop/book/notebook/thingamajig!'
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Intel 2 DUO Macbook?
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I think the Core 2 Duo will be making an appearance in the MacBook Pro. and Maybe, just maybe (If we are really lucky and Jesus, the Tooth-fairy, Steve Jobs, and Captain Planet team up into some super crime fighting team) we might see the Core 2 in the BlackBook. Regular old vanilla MacBook is still the entry level notebook. So it needs to be shackled some how, and a generation old processor is one way to accomplish it.
Shasta
Shasta
I doubt it will because the macbook is supposed to be more of a consumer and not pro notebook. Also, the heat produced by current macbooks is bad enough. finally, the cost would be increased a lot.
Shasta said:
Baby Jesus in a birch bark canoe you read my mind!!1!!11!!eleventyone!!
That is exactly what I want for christmas 'intel 2 duo' in an entry level macbook 2.0b !!! Please hare chrisna hare hare chrisna make my christmas a happy one!!
Actually I think one of the Core 2's features is that the performance per watt is better, so it runs cooler. But I agree I don't see a $1000 chip going into a $1300 machine. Ever
Shasta
Shasta
Shasta said:
Top 3 Core 2 Duo Myths:
3) It costs more than current Core Duos -> Nope
2) It's cooler -> Nope
1) It's spelt Memron -> Nope
Wow, that was surprizingly fun
The Blackbook isn't any 'better' (spec wise) or less 'entry level' than its white counterpart, other than price. the white 1.83 is the entry level notebook. The 2.0 is not. I highly doubt Apple would differentiate within the same product line quite that much.Shasta said:
That said, I don't think merom will make it into the MB at all - at least not anytime soon. I think they'll want to make the MBP stand out more against the MB.. but who knows? Maybe they've kept the two lines so similar on purpose and will continue to do so?
BlizzardBomb said:Top 3 Core 2 Duo Myths:
3) It costs more than current Core Duos -> Nope
2) It's cooler -> Nope
1) It's spelt Memron -> Nope
Wow, that was surprizingly fun
It is cooler according to intel! I've seen various claims being made by intel and intel reseller.
http://www.wired.com/news/wireservice/0,71485-0.html?tw=wn_index_15
cooler faster cheaper = macbook 2.0b
I think it will definately, definately end up in a macbook by the end of the year. Macbook 2.0b or Macbook Pro is speculation, that is why I bothered trolling a rumor site.
I don't think that merom will be more expensive than yonah was when it first came out on the macbook. Merom will be more expensive NOW since with its introduction we may see yonah price drops. I have this little glimmer of hope that the macbook will be updated by september because dell and all those other companies are also going to be putting them into their cheap boxes
TOPZ said:
That's talking about Conroe being cooler than a Pentium D.
Yonah (Core Duo) has a 31W TDP.
Merom (Core 2 Duo) has a 35W TDP.
So on paper, it's actually slightly warmer.
I've mentioned this in another thread, but I'll say it again here:
1 The MacBook was just announced two months ago. It is the newest computer Apple currently makes. There is NO reason for them to upgrade or update it in any way. They have no history of changing a product (other than a small speed bump) so quickly after its announcement, and there's no reason Intel chips would make that any different.
2 Keeping in-line with the consumer vs. pro model, the chance to boost the MacBook Pro's chips while keeping the MacBook's chips where they are is the PERFECT opportunity to justify the premium they're charging for the Pro model. Bringing any of the MacBooks up to the same level (even the Black one) does not make sense. These are consumer machines. Apple wants to save the new stuff for the pro machines.
3 The same pro machines, by the way, which are some of the OLDEST products in Apple's pipeline and are actually due for an update.
4 Did I mention what a hot seller the MacBook is? They sold appoximately 1 million last quarter alone. This is a classic example of "if it ain't broke..."
This all leads me to think that MWSF will be the perfect spot to update the MacBooks. It'd be the same processor cycle the MacBook Pros went through (assuming they're updated at the DC) and it's a nice consumer friendly event.
Maybe, just MAYBE, they'll speedbump them to 2.16GHz between now and then, but that's about it.
1 The MacBook was just announced two months ago. It is the newest computer Apple currently makes. There is NO reason for them to upgrade or update it in any way. They have no history of changing a product (other than a small speed bump) so quickly after its announcement, and there's no reason Intel chips would make that any different.
2 Keeping in-line with the consumer vs. pro model, the chance to boost the MacBook Pro's chips while keeping the MacBook's chips where they are is the PERFECT opportunity to justify the premium they're charging for the Pro model. Bringing any of the MacBooks up to the same level (even the Black one) does not make sense. These are consumer machines. Apple wants to save the new stuff for the pro machines.
3 The same pro machines, by the way, which are some of the OLDEST products in Apple's pipeline and are actually due for an update.
4 Did I mention what a hot seller the MacBook is? They sold appoximately 1 million last quarter alone. This is a classic example of "if it ain't broke..."
This all leads me to think that MWSF will be the perfect spot to update the MacBooks. It'd be the same processor cycle the MacBook Pros went through (assuming they're updated at the DC) and it's a nice consumer friendly event.
Maybe, just MAYBE, they'll speedbump them to 2.16GHz between now and then, but that's about it.
ricgnzlzcr said:
So rather than make a little more profit by keeping the chip that's lowering in cost in the incredibly popular laptop that's selling like hotcakes, they'll eat into their own profits by upgrading it to the latest and greatest chip so that the laptop will - sell like hotcakes?? Which it's doing anyway? With the cheaper chip? That's going to cost less now that the next gen is out??
xfiftyfour said:
Your first instinct is spot on; they only reason they had the same chips now was because of necessity - that's all that was available.
And even THEN, they kept the cosumer high end overlapping with the pro low end at 2.0GHz.
The first chance they have to say "Look! The MacBook PROs have these faster chips in them! THAT'S why they're worth $500 more! It isn't just the expansion slot and the extra 1" of screen real estate!" they'll jump at it...
Or at least that's your take.Unspeaked said:
I'm not saying your wrong - I agree with that speculation.. BUT it's just speculation.. no one really knows except the man himself.
BlizzardBomb said:Top 3 Core 2 Duo Myths:
3) It costs more than current Core Duos -> Nope
2) It's cooler -> Nope
1) It's spelt Memron -> Nope
Wow, that was surprizingly fun
The only problem is that you are wrong.
What is more expensive to manufacture; 2MB cache or 4MB cache?
Merom is more expensive to produce compared to Yonah.
Unspeaked said:
No, Apple wants to sell computers. That will be harder if they're using second line chips which is what Yonah will be. However, a lot of maufacturers are using Celerons still, so they have some time.
But in all likelihood we'll see a bump in the macbook to 2.0 and 2.16 once merom goes into the pro and macbooks taking on Merom after the pros have beeen bumped when Memrom
prices fall.Or at least that's my current guess. I may wake up tomorrow believing that all Apple laptops will have Woodcrest, and it will be announced next week shipping that day.
Pressure said:
His point was that pricing for Merom is essentially identical to what Yonah was when it came out at the same clock speed. Yonah prices are dropping as Merom moves in, but Apple will almost certainly pay the same for Merom as they did for Yonah when they released those machines.
WildCowboy said:
If Apple's clout as an important emotional win for Intel continues, too, then they'll continue to have favorable pricing and availability. This is the same Apple that got premium access to early shipments of Core Duo. Everyone said there wouldn't be a Core Duo in the MacBook or Mini (but rather a Core Solo to make "separation") and yet the processor speeds stayed close. I wouldn't be that surprised if Apple migrates to Core 2 Duo across the border fairly quickly.
*hopes*
Unspeaked said:
Hmmm Apple will never change then? Holding back hardware improvements to make their more expensive laptops look better. Core 2 is not more expensive than Core duo currently used in the MacBook and Mini, so there is no reason what so ever why Apple cant use it in the MacBook or even the Mini - unless they, once again like the PPC era want to artificially cripple them to make the more expensive computers look better.
TOPZ said:
that would be nice, lower voltage and all with better battery times as a result, as well as a dedicated graphics card...unless that's one of the big things at wwdc
and yes, wwdc would be a great place for a newest power/professional mac desktop...but i doubt that quite yet
MacSA said:
Exactly; I don't think it's an issue of chip costs, it's an issue of canablizing their Pro line's sales.
That's why it took so long to move the iBooks to G4s, even when they were in cheaper machines like the eMac (granted, it was desktop vs laptop, but you get the idea).
j26 said:
No, Apple DOESN'T want to sell computers (at least, not foremost).
What they WANT to do is what any publicly traded company that answers to shareholders wants to do: make money.
They could cut the costs of their products 25% across the board and sell a gazillion computers in the next week, but it would eat into their profits.
The MacBooks are currently selling very well. There's no need to upgrade the chips. The market the MacBooks are aimed at (schools, students and iLife users) generally doesn't care about the latest and the greatest - that's why they're not getting the MBP in the first place.
The MacBook Pros are lagging in sales, because there's not enough differentiation between them and the MacBooks (the hardware issue may have something to do with it, too - but that's another story).
Merom? According to this wonderful site:
Also mentioned was a slight design update and Merom (Core 2 Duo Mobile) upgrade for one of Apple's products. Currently, MacRumors believes this to be in reference to the MacBook Pro, however with iMac supplies dwindling at many retail locations, the possibility exists that it could also be the target of an upgrade.
Speaks for itself. Hopefully they will offer it in lower-end as I will not pay $1000 in markup.
Umm.... that is there business model, making computers so proprietary you have to have there hardware to run there software. Equities are high, but they still need to make sales to get people to invest.
Umm... they are in the computer market, they will need to adapt to it to make those day traders happy. Stroking shareholders ego's isn't number one, staying ahead of the curve (vista releases, linux, hardware vendors, Dell) is number one, thats why they moved to intel in the first place, so they wouldn't get robbed by powerpc costs. Plus everyone uses x86 anyways, they should have done it years ago.
If Dell is selling the latest intel and apple just moved to intel, you can bet your bottum dollar that apple will want those chips if not better in there machines, despite what the upgrade pattern looks like. If you haven't noticed there upgrade pattern is sporadic. For instance mac mini came out, then three months later there are 5 different versions, and now there is an intel version. Try, just try to count how many versions of the ipod there are .
two words: moore's law.
One word: Ipod.
Why bother, intel 2 duo is going to be hot, apple knows that, they will end up putting it in something.
Also mentioned was a slight design update and Merom (Core 2 Duo Mobile) upgrade for one of Apple's products. Currently, MacRumors believes this to be in reference to the MacBook Pro, however with iMac supplies dwindling at many retail locations, the possibility exists that it could also be the target of an upgrade.
Speaks for itself. Hopefully they will offer it in lower-end as I will not pay $1000 in markup.
Unspeaked said:
Umm.... that is there business model, making computers so proprietary you have to have there hardware to run there software. Equities are high, but they still need to make sales to get people to invest.
Unspeaked said:
Umm... they are in the computer market, they will need to adapt to it to make those day traders happy. Stroking shareholders ego's isn't number one, staying ahead of the curve (vista releases, linux, hardware vendors, Dell) is number one, thats why they moved to intel in the first place, so they wouldn't get robbed by powerpc costs. Plus everyone uses x86 anyways, they should have done it years ago.
If Dell is selling the latest intel and apple just moved to intel, you can bet your bottum dollar that apple will want those chips if not better in there machines, despite what the upgrade pattern looks like. If you haven't noticed there upgrade pattern is sporadic. For instance mac mini came out, then three months later there are 5 different versions, and now there is an intel version. Try, just try to count how many versions of the ipod there are .
Unspeaked said:
two words: moore's law.
Unspeaked said:
One word: Ipod.
Why bother, intel 2 duo is going to be hot, apple knows that, they will end up putting it in something.