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gnasher729

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Shasta said:
Actually I think one of the Core 2's features is that the performance per watt is better, so it runs cooler. But I agree I don't see a $1000 chip going into a $1300 machine. Ever

Shasta

Prices for the Merom chips are exactly the same as Yonah at same clockspeed. And nobody knows whether Yonah will be reduced in price, or whether Intel will just drop it. There is no reason not to put Merom into MacBooks.
 

vv-tim

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Unspeaked said:
No, Apple DOESN'T want to sell computers (at least, not foremost).

What they WANT to do is what any publicly traded company that answers to shareholders wants to do: make money.

Not really. Apple has always been a "think different" company due to the leadership of Steve Jobs. Steve is more interested in mind-share than gross profit.

Apple could have long ago ditched their Mac line in favor of the easier to navigate route, but they stuck with Mac OS because Steve Jobs wanted them to ;) Remember, not long ago they were losing money... before the iPod. The iPod carried along the company for quite a while.

Steve Jobs is quite eccentric, but one of the few people that still believes computers should be an artform.
 

Unspeaked

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vv-tim said:
Apple could have long ago ditched their Mac line in favor of the easier to navigate route, but they stuck with Mac OS because Steve Jobs wanted them to ;) Remember, not long ago they were losing money... before the iPod. The iPod carried along the company for quite a while.

Apple IS a Think Different company by focusing on profit over volume.

Do you people ever read Apple's financial statements? Their gross margins are to DIE for in the computer industry.

Gateway is an example of a company that wants to unit shift above all else; and because of it, they're one foot in the grave.

Apple has never been a company to jump the gun and throw the latest technology into their consumer lines (which is what this discussion was originally about), and I don't think working with Intel is going to change that.

Dell, HP, Sony and company have ALWAYS been their competitor; I don't get this argument that they're only competing with them now that they all use Intel chips!
 

WildCowboy

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Unspeaked said:
Apple has never been a company to jump the gun and throw the latest technology into their consumer lines (which is what this discussion was originally about), and I don't think working with Intel is going to change that.

FireWire? AirPort? SuperDrives?

They've done a pretty good job of being at the front of the curve in adopting new technologies.
 

Caitlyn

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I would love to see, and it sounds logical to me, this setup for Apple's MacBook Family (low to high):

1. MacBook White 2GHz Core Duo ComboDrive Model
2. MacBook White 2.16GHz Core Duo SuperDrive Model
3. MacBook Black 2.16GHz Core Duo 80GB HD Model

4. 15" MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo
5. 15" MacBook Pro Faster Core 2 Duo
6. 17" MacBook Pro Fastest Core 2 Duo

I would then gladly buy the White 2.16GHz MacBook. :D Please Apple?
 

Unspeaked

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WildCowboy said:
FireWire? AirPort? SuperDrives?

They've done a pretty good job of being at the front of the curve in adopting new technologies.

You must've missed the part where I said CONSUMER lines.

FireWire took AGES to get to the iMacs - literally years after the PowerMac G3 B&W.

AirPort, too, was in the PowerBook back in the G3 era, but didn't make it to the iBook until the second rev of the Clamshell.

And SuperDrives - don't even get me started; how long before the iBook had one of those? Last year?
 

Unspeaked

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Caitlyn said:
I would love to see, and it sounds logical to me, this setup for Apple's MacBook Family (low to high):

1. MacBook White 2GHz Core Duo ComboDrive Model
2. MacBook White 2.16GHz Core Duo SuperDrive Model
3. MacBook Black 2.16GHz Core Duo 80GB HD Model

4. 15" MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo
5. 15" MacBook Pro Faster Core 2 Duo
6. 17" MacBook Pro Fastest Core 2 Duo

I would then gladly buy the White 2.16GHz MacBook. :D Please Apple?

I think that's spot on; I just think that 4-6 will happen in the next 6 weeks or so, and 1-3 won't come until late Fall.
 

vv-tim

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Unspeaked said:
Dell, HP, Sony and company have ALWAYS been their competitor; I don't get this argument that they're only competing with them now that they all use Intel chips!

That's not really correct, nor is the argument that they're competing now that they use Intel.

Dell and HP have no direct competition with Apple products, period. They're aimed at different people. Apple users value aesthetics and design. Dell users value power/price ratio. HP users... don't really value anything.

Sony has its sights locked on the high-end as well as the low-end, and their high-end polished computers are more in competition with Apple now.

Really though, before Apple was competing with Microsoft. It was all about the operating system, not about the computer. If anything, Apple was just trying to hold on to the users it had. The switch to Intel has brought a flock of new recruits into the Mac community. Now they are competing more as a PC-manufacturer than an OS-manufacturer in the mainstream.
 

WildCowboy

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Unspeaked said:
You must've missed the part where I said CONSUMER lines.

FireWire took AGES to get to the iMacs - literally years after the PowerMac G3 B&W.

AirPort, too, was in the PowerBook back in the G3 era, but didn't make it to the iBook until the second rev of the Clamshell.

And SuperDrives - don't even get me started; how long before the iBook had one of those? Last year?

FireWire was made available in the iMac DV in October 1999, only nine months after it made its first appearance in the PowerMac B&W.

AirPort was introduced in the original iBook back in July 1999. The PowerBooks didn't get it until Pismo in February 2000.

SuperDrives made their first iBook appearance in early 2004, but yes, it was over a year after they first appeared in PowerBooks.

Apple often doesn't put the latest technology into the lower end of their consumer lines, but availability in the upper end tends to happen fairly rapidly.
 
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