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Intel Alder Lake vs. Apple M1
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It doesn't matter, there will be barely any difference*. Do you actually believe Intel will improve their perf/w 5-10 fold in a single generation?...
Edit: *between 11th and 12th gen intel mobile cpu's.
Uhh in single core I suppose … in everything else very much no … and again consuming far more power to lose? And in single core consumes >3x the power to barely eeek out a win … not great.
What on earth are you talking about here? A curated experience?
I write software, like many on this forum, and I will call you on this nonsense. And don't try the BS misdirection I've seen you use in other conversations.
The desktop i5 is 125watts vs 241 watts on the i9. The laptop version will probably run 90 watts with binned chips and less clocks.
BTW Anand didn't bench the i5 and I wonder why. Here is the geekbench on the i5 cpu. The i5 Cleary beats the m1 max in single and multi in geekbench 5
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It's likely only desktop level performance because the MacPro hasn't redefined what to expect from a desktop yet.
Let's assume mobile is 90 watts, what's you point exactly? That's still several times less efficient than M1. And they will still operate around 85-100c with 5000rpm fans. As a best case scenario, intel is still trash.
Lol ok and we are talking 90 watts full load here. Don't be mad intel is back on top. And 11th vs 12th gen is a node shrink along with a new arch. Just wait for all the mid range laptops coming out soon.
I guess that’s the only play Intel can make here. Sacrifice everything else in order to crank up the performance of their latest processor so they can at least claim (barely) top spot in one metric, even if it means sucking at everything else.
I don’t see how this translates well into use for laptops, once you take away the high power draw and thermal limitations.
Meanwhile, Apple continues to offer laptops with the best of all worlds - speed, battery life and low heat generated (which means better sustained performance).
This is what happens when Apple focuses on meeting users’ needs, while Intel focuses on winning a benchmark just for the sake of it.
Again, what on earth are you talking about? Are you a bot?
This is Apple’s first generation performance chip. It’s allowed them to build the best laptop in the world. Intel are only able to trick people into thinking they are back because unfortunately, most reviews are done targeting gamers…so the absolute performance at all cost is somehow a logical and desirable solution.
I can’t see Intel having any long term ability of beating Apple. Here we are discussing how well Intel is countering the right handed jabs from the CPUs in the M chips…The thundering haymaker from GPUs must be coming from the left hand blind side.
I can’t see Intel having any long term ability of beating Apple. Here we are discussing how well Intel is countering the right handed jabs from the CPUs in the M chips…The thundering haymaker from GPUs must be coming from the left hand blind side.
This is exactly how I feel about intel and the best addition to these conversations I have seen imo.
AMD may slash those prices, but it will be brief and for the holiday season. Their next gen should be unveiled very early 2022.
The desktop i5 is 150W at Turbo, 125W at base and it’s MSRP is $264-$289 depending on igpu or no. It beats the M1 max by 5% in single core and by 0.7% in multicore. To accomplish this feat, it is burning 300-500% more energy. A 90W Alder Lake laptop chip isn’t likely to win any prizes against the M1 Max. Yes, Alder lake is a big deal for Intel, but it is still comfortably in the rear view mirror for Apple.
Anandtech reviewed what they were sampled by Intel unless their reference to customs was in relation to the i5 not arriving at all as opposed to the i9 arriving late.
i know him, he is contradicts himself, i even ignored him because he is not providing any useful information, just misinformation
For people who writes code, apps and so on...we have so many ways to do that...we are not stuck on one platform
Nowadays everyone can move from windows to mac easy if they could get out of his comfort zone.
For 2 years i went for autodesk Maya, so for me its far easier since it works everywhere...but on the M series macs it works mesmerising. If windows/intel/amd will come with some true breakthrough i will swap to that platform and so on
So to say what he is saying , in 2021-2022 its kind of hilarious...or you are just a full time gamer stuck
he will change his mind when a laptop with that i5 will come out and it will throttle like hell if its not in a proper, big, good cooling device...those 5% gains will be in fact a 10% lose or even worse in an 14-15" laptop
That's one way of look at things. What I see here is a desktop chip with 6+4 core configuration (16 hardware threads) running at 150+ watts (probably higher), barely able to match a 8+2 M1 at 30-40W in a burst benchmark where Alder Lake has an advantage. Take any demanding sustained work and Apple's mobile CPU will inevitable pull ahead.
You seem to be putting a lot of blind faith in Intel regarding their ability to execute well in mobile. What I see here does not give me any reason to be hopeful. But sure, Alder Lake will be competitive with AMD.
IMHO, Apple has yet to release it's mid-level performance desktop yet, i.e. the 27" Intel iMac AS replacement. My guess is this will come Q1 2022 and may be M2 based.
The Intel Mac Pro AS replacement (and maybe iMac Pro as well) will complete the high-end level of AS Macs.
That’s the thing…Apple is winning on PPW even when the GPUs are included. How is anyone else going to beat that…?!!?
We're going to pretend power savings hasn't always been a big part of the conversation around Apple's chips? Ok.