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Applejuiced

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You must not have heard. The Intel iPhone 7 barely works and all problems experienced by Intel iPhone 7 users can be attributed to the Intel modem. If you're having a problem on the Qualcomm model, it must be something else causing the problem because the Qualcomm modem is amazing!! ;)

Lol :D
Yes, I heard Intel modem iphones are the devil.
Someone tried making a phone call on one and his cousins pet died the week after.
 

peterlaca

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I have the 7+ 256 AT&T model in LA and I have never had better reception with any iPhone I've ever had. Like every carrier, there are better and worse locations based on tower position, obstructions, etc. Real life experience will therefore vary. To point to a controlled lab result as the definitive proof of modem superiority does not fully address the complexity of signal and modem performance in real life. In both low signal strength and high signal strength locations, my Intel modem model has outperformed any phone I have ever had.....
I also tend to believe that Apple is not stupid...they do insanely extensive testing and to cripple a product for either incremental savings or supply chain strategy, seems highly unlikely to me.
So if real world performance is your benchmark....at best, the jury is still out.
For me, I couldn't be happier.
 

FoxD

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I had the Qualcomm on AT&T and it was terrible with my first 7 Plus. People could not hear me 80% of the time, it would just drop my side. I returned it and the next one, Intel, was better but was so dim compared to my 6 Plus, it was returned. I did get less bars than my 6 Plus too a lot of times.

This was before the latest update.
 

rui no onna

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I have the 7+ 256 AT&T model in LA and I have never had better reception with any iPhone I've ever had. Like every carrier, there are better and worse locations based on tower position, obstructions, etc. Real life experience will therefore vary. To point to a controlled lab result as the definitive proof of modem superiority does not fully address the complexity of signal and modem performance in real life. In both low signal strength and high signal strength locations, my Intel modem model has outperformed any phone I have ever had.....
Same experience with iPhone 7 256GB AT&T in LA. Better than anything I've used before. I get ~8Mbps down. I was using an iPhone 6 64GB prior. Alas, even on the iPhone 6, I was getting just ~5Mbps down in the office but for that, I blame the network, not the phone. That said, T-Mobile and Sprint both have no signal unless I go to the parking lot. Verizon is better with ~20Mbps down (got VZW on my LTE iPad).
 
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One possible explanation for better download speeds on an iPhone 7 over an iPhone 6 on AT&T (although not the AT&T model of the 6s - yes, there was actually an AT&T specific model) is that all models of the iPhone 7 support band 30, an additional layer of spectrum AT&T has been deploying in many markets.
 

rui no onna

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One possible explanation for better download speeds on an iPhone 7 over an iPhone 6 on AT&T (although not the AT&T model of the 6s - yes, there was actually an AT&T specific model) is that all models of the iPhone 7 support band 30, an additional layer of spectrum AT&T has been deploying in many markets.
LTE Band 30 is actually one of the reasons I upgraded. That and deteriorating battery life on the 6. :p

Honestly though, I haven't noticed a dramatic difference thus far in areas I use it. Then again, I primarily use the LTE iPad and only turn to the iPhone when I need to make calls or in situations where I need to use a device one-handed which most of the time, super fast internet is not required.
 
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ilifecomputer

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Last night, determined to make an exchange decision, I tested the intel model against my 6s over and over using the same att server and trying to keep the phones in identical areas for a while during multiple speed tests in each.

Note that reception in my apartment is less than ideal so I assumed the 6s would outperform my 7.

My mini test concluded it was too hard to find a noticeable difference. The phones would alternate wins with considerable variation in the results. Meh.
 
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Pinkstiletto66

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I'm in the opposite position. I have the Qualcomm (Verizon) version using T-Mobile and callers complain that they don't hear me, and I hear them fine for the most part. Then I put them on speakerphone and then they tell me they can hear me better. I just recently restarted my phone, and yesterday I installed the latest software version. My old iPhone 6 (T-Mobile version) didn't give me any call quality issues. On the 7+ I've cleaned out the speakers, kept a clean, dust free phone, so now I'm wondering if Qualcomm is the issue. I rarely make phone calls but about 75 % of the calls people say that I'm going in and out or they can't hear me and that's not good. I will try anything I find to solve the problem but soon it's off to the Genius Bar.
 

kozmic

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I just posted in an older thread about this as well, so i will share here too, take it or leave it....

Short story - have been an AT&T iPhone user for five years (4, 5, 6, 7), been using the 6 for two years, switched to 7 three weeks ago... 7 is being returned, and I am going back to a 6.

Longer story...
My experience is that while the 7 is perfectly fine in non-congested areas, and in fact provides much better call sounding quality in my opinion... in heavily congested areas the 7 (at least my AT&T phone with the Intel LTE chip), it seems that the 7 loses the battle for contention.

I love new phone models and am the type of person that will even overlook small issues to have the latest - it takes A LOT for me not to want the newest tech. I would not even care if the only issue of the 7 was a slower over all LTE speed (and to the contrary, I see great throughput performance... when it actually works), but...

I received my iPhone 7 three weeks ago, and since then have had all kinds of issues with data connection and call drops. Initially, I just chalked it up to bad reception, etc., but after a couple weeks, I decided to start comparing with my old iPhone 6 (which my wife is now using on an AT&T plan), and sure enough, whenever/wherever I experienced trouble with the iPhone 7, my old iPhone 6 would work no problem in that very same place at the very same time. And it seems that it is more of a contention issue in more heavily congested areas... Both phones would show the same level of connection bars & db levels - the iPhone 6 would load a page, while the iPhone 7 would try and try, then give up eventually.

I just issued a return of the iPhone 7 and will be going back to an iPhone 6 (because I cannot switch carriers to get the Qualcomm iPhone 7).
 

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I just posted in an older thread about this as well, so i will share here too, take it or leave it....

Short story - have been an AT&T iPhone user for five years (4, 5, 6, 7), been using the 6 for two years, switched to 7 three weeks ago... 7 is being returned, and I am going back to a 6.

Longer story...
My experience is that while the 7 is perfectly fine in non-congested areas, and in fact provides much better call sounding quality in my opinion... in heavily congested areas the 7 (at least my AT&T phone with the Intel LTE chip), it seems that the 7 loses the battle for contention.

I love new phone models and am the type of person that will even overlook small issues to have the latest - it takes A LOT for me not to want the newest tech. I would not even care if the only issue of the 7 was a slower over all LTE speed (and to the contrary, I see great throughput performance... when it actually works), but...

I received my iPhone 7 three weeks ago, and since then have had all kinds of issues with data connection and call drops. Initially, I just chalked it up to bad reception, etc., but after a couple weeks, I decided to start comparing with my old iPhone 6 (which my wife is now using on an AT&T plan), and sure enough, whenever/wherever I experienced trouble with the iPhone 7, my old iPhone 6 would work no problem in that very same place at the very same time. And it seems that it is more of a contention issue in more heavily congested areas... Both phones would show the same level of connection bars & db levels - the iPhone 6 would load a page, while the iPhone 7 would try and try, then give up eventually.

I just issued a return of the iPhone 7 and will be going back to an iPhone 6 (because I cannot switch carriers to get the Qualcomm iPhone 7).

Interesting...
 

Applejuiced

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I just posted in an older thread about this as well, so i will share here too, take it or leave it....

Short story - have been an AT&T iPhone user for five years (4, 5, 6, 7), been using the 6 for two years, switched to 7 three weeks ago... 7 is being returned, and I am going back to a 6.

Longer story...
My experience is that while the 7 is perfectly fine in non-congested areas, and in fact provides much better call sounding quality in my opinion... in heavily congested areas the 7 (at least my AT&T phone with the Intel LTE chip), it seems that the 7 loses the battle for contention.

I love new phone models and am the type of person that will even overlook small issues to have the latest - it takes A LOT for me not to want the newest tech. I would not even care if the only issue of the 7 was a slower over all LTE speed (and to the contrary, I see great throughput performance... when it actually works), but...

I received my iPhone 7 three weeks ago, and since then have had all kinds of issues with data connection and call drops. Initially, I just chalked it up to bad reception, etc., but after a couple weeks, I decided to start comparing with my old iPhone 6 (which my wife is now using on an AT&T plan), and sure enough, whenever/wherever I experienced trouble with the iPhone 7, my old iPhone 6 would work no problem in that very same place at the very same time. And it seems that it is more of a contention issue in more heavily congested areas... Both phones would show the same level of connection bars & db levels - the iPhone 6 would load a page, while the iPhone 7 would try and try, then give up eventually.

I just issued a return of the iPhone 7 and will be going back to an iPhone 6 (because I cannot switch carriers to get the Qualcomm iPhone 7).

So how did you isolate and came up to the conclusion that the iphone 7 intel chip has "contention issues in more heavily congested areas"
Did you do all the latest software and carrier updates?
 
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noobinator

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I had my first encounter with this issue today. I have a T-Mobile iPhone 7 Plus. I live in a very congested area. With my 6S Plus I would routinely get 50-100mb/s down, depending where exactly I was. Well since getting my 7 Plus I haven't seen over 15mb/s down. So today I was in a few different areas with a friend who has a sim free model 7 Plus on T-Mobile. Here's our download speed tests, my numbers first, his second:

Location 1: 12, 47
Location 2: 7, 68
Location 3: 2, 29

Both running same software. Both with nothing else running. Both in exact same location at same time. I'm a bit concerned to say the least.
 

kozmic

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So how did you isolate and came up to the conclusion that the iphone 7 intel chip has "contention issues in more heavily congested areas"
Did you do all the latest software and carrier updates?
Yes, worked with Apple and AT&T both to run through each side's diags, and AT&T sent latest carrier settings.

Running IOS 10.1.1.

The 7 seems to be fine when not in heavily congested areas... over the last three weeks, I have been in and out of congested areas and non-congested areas (huge marketing event with 15k people all in one center one week, and three Friday night football games over the last three weeks). Like mentioned, for first two weeks, I assumed that this is what was causing my troubles (simply the congestion, etc)... it wasn't until I started testing my old 6 sitting directly next to the 7 that I determined that the while the 6 would work (maybe struggle for performance, but at least work), the 7 would just try and try, then give up, when in heavily congested areas. When not in congested areas, the 7 seems to run slightly faster than the 6 and without any connectivity issues.
 

Applejuiced

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Yes, worked with Apple and AT&T both to run through each side's diags, and AT&T sent latest carrier settings.

Running IOS 10.1.1.

The 7 seems to be fine when not in heavily congested areas... over the last three weeks, I have been in and out of congested areas and non-congested areas (huge marketing event with 15k people all in one center one week, and three Friday night football games over the last three weeks). Like mentioned, for first two weeks, I assumed that this is what was causing my troubles (simply the congestion, etc)... it wasn't until I started testing my old 6 sitting directly next to the 7 that I determined that the while the 6 would work (maybe struggle for performance, but at least work), the 7 would just try and try, then give up, when in heavily congested areas. When not in congested areas, the 7 seems to run slightly faster than the 6 and without any connectivity issues.

So did AT&T admit to the issue with the specific device and baseband chip on their network?
I assume if its an issue its not just for you it would be the same for millions of other subscribers on AT&T also and in that case more software tweaking would need to be done on both the carrier side and the software of the device such as firmware and carrier updates that handle the way the device communicates with the wireless network.
 
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kozmic

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I had my first encounter with this issue today. I have a T-Mobile iPhone 7 Plus. I live in a very congested area. With my 6S Plus I would routinely get 50-100mb/s down, depending where exactly I was. Well since getting my 7 Plus I haven't seen over 15mb/s down. So today I was in a few different areas with a friend who has a sim free model 7 Plus on T-Mobile. Here's our download speed tests, my numbers first, his second:

Location 1: 12, 47
Location 2: 7, 68
Location 3: 2, 29

Both running same software. Both with nothing else running. Both in exact same location at same time. I'm a bit concerned to say the least.
Hey, at least you were getting some throughput...
So did AT&T admit to the issue with the specific device and baseband chip on their network?
I assume if its an issue its not just for you it would be the samefor millions of other subscribers on AT&T also and in that case more software tweaking would need to be done on both the carrier side and the software of the device such as firmware and carrier updates that handle the way the device communicates with the wireless network.
Not exactly... they want to blame my specific phone, which I do not quite understand given the very specific case and testing, but I am somewhat punting on this... I am within my "buyers remorse" period with AT&T, so I am able to simply return for something I know to work correctly, so I am going back to the 6. This is a work phone that I use throughout every day for both voice and data, and I cannot deal with spotty connectivity for both the phone and as my hotspot for my computer, so after three weeks, I give up...

eta: oh, and I assume that those other millions of folks will simply assume that they are seeing network issues, rather than a deficiency in the phone... heck I thought so too for the first two weeks... I suggest anyone with an iPhone 7, who is also seeing the same problems in congested areas, find someone else with a 6 and ask them to compare connectivity... at that specific spot and moment...
 

Applejuiced

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Hey, at least you were getting some throughput...

Not exactly... they want to blame my specific phone, which I do not quite understand given the very specific case and testing, but I am somewhat punting on this... I am within my "buyers remorse" period with AT&T, so I am able to simply return for something I know to work correctly, so I am going back to the 6. This is a work phone that I use throughout every day for both voice and data, and I cannot deal with spotty connectivity for both the phone and as my hotspot for my computer, so after three weeks, I give up...

eta: oh, and I assume that those other millions of folks will simply assume that they are seeing network issues, rather than a deficiency in the phone... heck I thought so too for the first two weeks... I suggest anyone with an iPhone 7, who is also seeing the same problems in congested areas, find someone else with a 6 and ask them to compare connectivity... at that specific spot and moment...

Interesting.
Did they tell you to contact Apple and get a replacement?
Maybe that would make a difference or at least eliminate the hardware issue out of the equation.
I dont know, if there was other millions of folks with the iPhone 7 on AT&T they would know it and also the carrier would know it on their end.
 

kozmic

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Interesting.
Did they tell you to contact Apple and get a replacement?
Maybe that would make a difference or at least eliminate the hardware issue out of the equation.
I dont know, if there was other millions of folks with the iPhone 7 on AT&T they would know it and also the carrier would know it on their end.
Agreed... and yes, replacing the hardware would help understand even more, but unfortunately I cannot be this test case.... a hardware swap and time to do so was going to put me just past the 30 return period (I would have to place order for swap though my corporate group, who then places to AT&T, then finally shipped to me... and if the issue remained with new HW, which, given all of the other notes I see folks complaining about similar issues, would not surprise me, I would be too late to simply return) (and Apple would not agree to do a local direct swap, since the phone came through AT&T initially).

eta: consider also, that for most folks (like the post above), I assume that most will get some level of throughput, unless the area that one is in already suffers from poor connectivity...so in reality, we are not talking about "millions", but a subset of those millions, who happen to be in a congested area, which happens to be in an area that already suffers form poor network performance, etc, etc... I can say without hesitation, that if I was able to get even very slow connectivity in the worst areas, I would more that likely suffer through when in those spots, but to have the phone just simply give up, while my old phone is working, is what I cannot deal with...
 
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After having my 7+ AT&T intel phone for a week now, I can say I have never experienced better reception. I'm coming from a Galaxy Note 7, which I believe was a Qualcomm modem. On my drive to work in the morning I'm usually on the phone, and places where the call would drop on my Note 7 I'm not experiencing any disruption on my 7+. So I'm definitely happy with it.
 

kozmic

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After having my 7+ AT&T intel phone for a week now, I can say I have never experienced better reception. I'm coming from a Galaxy Note 7, which I believe was a Qualcomm modem. On my drive to work in the morning I'm usually on the phone, and places where the call would drop on my Note 7 I'm not experiencing any disruption on my 7+. So I'm definitely happy with it.
Yeah, what I really hate about sending the 7 back, is that when I am not in a highly congested area, I would agree with your statement too...it works great... and faster than my previous phones for sure... except for when I happen to be sitting next to a few thousand other folks all trying to use their phones too...including my wife using my old phone...ha! :/
 
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Applejuiced

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Agreed... and yes, replacing the hardware would help understand even more, but unfortunately I cannot be this test case.... a hardware swap and time to do so was going to put me just past the 30 return period (I would have to place order for swap though my corporate group, who then places to AT&T, then finally shipped to me... and if the issue remained with new HW, which, given all of the other notes I see folks complaining about similar issues, would not surprise me, I would be too late to simply return) (and Apple would not agree to do a local direct swap, since the phone came through AT&T initially).

eta: consider also, that for most folks (like the post above), I assume that most will get some level of throughput, unless the area that one is in already suffers from poor connectivity...so in reality, we are not talking about "millions", but a subset of those millions, who happen to be in a congested area, which happens to be in an area that already suffers form poor network performance, etc, etc... I can say without hesitation, that if I was able to get even very slow connectivity in the worst areas, I would more that likely suffer through when in those spots, but to have the phone just simply give up, while my old phone is working, is what I cannot deal with...

Actually all warranty swaps/repairs/replacements are done by the manufacturer. Apple.
Not from the corporate AT&T store you purchased the device at.
It doesnt matter where you purchased the iphone, you have a full 1 year warranty from Apple. Not sure what they told you or how they would not agree to swap out your device at Apple.
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Yeah, what I really hate about sending the 7 back, is that when I am not in a highly congested area, I would agree with your statement too...it works great... and faster than my previous phones for sure... except for when I happen to be sitting next to a few thousand other folks all trying to use their phones too...including my wife using my old phone...ha! :/

That happens on every carrier and wireless device in such large events.
You go to a stadium for example with 40-60K other people while you all hit and hammer the nearest cell tower for those 2-3 hours then service will be miserable for everyone while they'll all posting, tweeting, uploading pictures, doing facebook live coverage etc...
That's usually the case for me for years and with every other iphone I had used when I go to Patriots and Red Sox games throughout the year.
 

kozmic

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Actually all warranty swaps/repairs/replacements are done by the manufacturer. Apple.
Not from the corporate AT&T store you purchased the device at.
It doesnt matter where you purchased the iphone, you have a full 1 year warranty from Apple. Not sure what they told you or how they would not agree to swap out your device at Apple.

Yeah, well... Apple stated otherwise... take it up with them, if you'd like to ague the point. ;)

That happens on every carrier and wireless device in such large events.
You go to a stadium for example with 40-60K other people while you all hit and hammer the nearest cell tower for those 2-3 hours then service will be miserable for everyone while they'll all posting, tweeting, uploading pictures, doing facebook live coverage etc...
That's usually the case for me for years and with every other iphone I had used when I go to Patriots and Red Sox games throughout the year.

I cannot tell if you're being intentionally obtuse or if the tone of your comment is simply a consequence of your wording, but I will reply with, yes, this is pretty obvious... you are either completely missing or intentionally ignoring the point, that I have tested with both my new iPhone 7 and my old iPhone 6 sitting right next to each other in these environments, and the iPhone 6 consistently works, albeit a little slower, and my iPhone 7 fairly consistently does not in highly congested areas.

I am not sure why you continue to pursue arguing over this? I am simply expressing my experience... apologies if if conflicts with your hopes and expectations? Please know that I have no grudge against Apple (but for maybe a bit of disappointment that my nice, new, shiny, should be the best iPhone I've owned, new toy, don't work as expected), as I am simply reverting back to the "last known good" option. My whole family has iPhones, I am on my second macbook in 5 years, been through countless iPods, iPads, iPhones, etc., etc., and this is the first time I have ever posted negative marks against an iPhone.

If you'd like to perform your own tests and post results, by all means, please do. But please stop your attempt to rebut my experience when you have no basis for such...
 

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Yeah, well... Apple stated otherwise... take it up with them, if you'd like to ague the point. ;)



I cannot tell if you're being intentionally obtuse or if the tone of your comment is simply a consequence of your wording, but I will reply with, yes, this is pretty obvious... you are either completely missing or intentionally ignoring the point, that I have tested with both my new iPhone 7 and my old iPhone 6 sitting right next to each other in these environments, and the iPhone 6 consistently works, albeit a little slower, and my iPhone 7 fairly consistently does not in highly congested areas.

I am not sure why you continue to pursue arguing over this? I am simply expressing my experience... apologies if if conflicts with your hopes and expectations? Please know that I have no grudge against Apple (but for maybe a bit of disappointment that my nice, new, shiny, should be the best iPhone I've owned, new toy, don't work as expected), as I am simply reverting back to the "last known good" option. My whole family has iPhones, I am on my second macbook in 5 years, been through countless iPods, iPads, iPhones, etc., etc., and this is the first time I have ever posted negative marks against an iPhone.

If you'd like to perform your own tests and post results, by all means, please do. But please stop your attempt to rebut my experience when you have no basis for such...

Im not arguing, just having a conversation if you'd like to participate that's fine.
Im not sure what Apple stated to you, I know their terms and conditions of their Apple care warranty coverage and what you described above is inaccurate if you were told to get a replacement device from AT&T.
About the rest of your claims that's your story and you're sticking with it claiming that the iphone 7 is somehow worst than the iphone 6 on congested areas. Single claim not verified by your carrier, device manufacturer or anyone else besides you with anecdotal evidence.
Off course you never posted other negative marks, you just joined today and this is the only thread you posted on.
 
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kozmic

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Im not arguing, just having a conversation if you'd like to participate that's fine.
Im not sure what Apple stated to you, I know their terms and conditions of their Apple care warranty coverage and what you described above is inaccurate if you were told to get a replacement device from AT&T.
About the rest of your claims that's your story and you're sticking with it claiming that the iphone 7 is somehow worst than the iphone 6 on congested areas. Single claim not verified by your carrier, device manufacturer or anyone else besides you.
Off course you never posted other negative marks, you just joined today and this is the only thread you posted on.
"Off course you never posted other negative marks, you just joined today and this is the only thread you posted on"

I will definitely concede this point... and from that point of view, I guess I could be someone who complains all the time, I guess we will have to let the reader decide...

But as I said before, I have no grudge against Apple. It is not like I am saying some other brand is better... I simply purchased an iPhone 7, am having issues with it, and after contacting both Apple and AT&T for their support, evaluating my options, have decided to revert back to the previous version (still using an Apple device and still on AT&T network). I am not sure I follow any logic that would lead anyone to believe that I am trolling here?


Btw... as far as "Single claim not verified by your carrier, device manufacturer or anyone else besides you."

Looks like I am not the only one... Forbes article posted Oct 21:

"For consumers, the downside of owning an Intel version is significant. The tests revealed that Qualcomm-powered iPhone 7s are able to consistently establish stronger connections to LTE networks than Intel-powered iPhone 7s. Qualcomm modems outran Intel modems by 30% in overall performance, and 75% when the signal was at its weakest." (http://www.forbes.com/sites/aaronti...y-iphone-7-intel-qualcomm-modem/#7b8806877f5d)

This article seems to express, precisely, the issues that I am seeing with my iPhone 7.


eta: and this from Cellular Insights date Oct 20:
"Both iPhone 7 Plus variants perform similarly in ideal conditions. At -96dBm the Intel variant needed to have Transport Block Size adjusted as BLER well exceeded the 2% threshold. At -105dBm the gap widened to 20%, and at -108dBm to a whopping 75%. As a result of such a huge performance delta between the Intel and Qualcomm powered devices, we purchased another A1784 (AT&T) iPhone 7 Plus, in order to eliminate any possibility of a faulty device. The end result was virtually identical. We are hoping that this sudden dip in performance at a specific RSRP value will be further investigated by the engineering and hopefully resolved. At -121dBm, the Intel variant performed more in line with its Qualcomm counterpart. Overall, the average performance delta between the two is in the 30% range in favor of the Qualcomm variant." (http://cellularinsights.com/iphone7/)

Also seems to express exactly what I am seeing...

And whats even more interesting to me about the Cellular Insights research, is that the times I am seeing issues, is right about the -107 db level (or worse) of connectivity (which in terms of bars is about 2 or less bars/balls on the iPhone).
 
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Applejuiced

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"Off course you never posted other negative marks, you just joined today and this is the only thread you posted on"

I will definitely concede this point... and from that point of view, I guess I could be someone who complains all the time, I guess we will have to let the reader decide...

But as I said before, I have no grudge against Apple. It is not like I am saying some other brand is better... I simply purchased an iPhone 7, am having issues with it, and after contacting both Apple and AT&T for their support, evaluating my options, have decided to revert back to the previous version (still using an Apple device and still on AT&T network). I am not sure I follow any logic that would lead anyone to believe that I am trolling here?


Btw... as far as "Single claim not verified by your carrier, device manufacturer or anyone else besides you."

Looks like I am not the only one... Forbes article posted Oct 21:

"For consumers, the downside of owning an Intel version is significant. The tests revealed that Qualcomm-powered iPhone 7s are able to consistently establish stronger connections to LTE networks than Intel-powered iPhone 7s. Qualcomm modems outran Intel modems by 30% in overall performance, and 75% when the signal was at its weakest." (http://www.forbes.com/sites/aaronti...y-iphone-7-intel-qualcomm-modem/#7b8806877f5d)

This article seems to express, precisely, the issues that I am seeing with my iPhone 7.

It has been debunked multiple times that such claims are anecdotal evidence where in real life conditions outside of testing facilities are non existent or so minor that make no difference. Read previous posts in this thread and many other outlets discussing the so called difference between chips.
Believe what you want.
Same way that they claim the 32GB iphone 7 compared to the higher storage counterparts is 30% slower on writing on it and so on.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...other-capacities.2007747/page-7#post-23771564
In real life the every day customer will not be able to tell or notice a thousand of a fraction of a second or any of those tests and simulations that try to make such minor things a big deal and blown out of proportion. iPhone gate etc...
 

kozmic

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Nov 8, 2016
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It has been debunked multiple times that such claims are anecdotal evidence where in real life conditions outside of testing facilities are non existent or so minor that make no difference. Read previous posts in this thread and many other outlets discussing the so called difference between chips.
Believe what you want.
Same way that they claim the 32GB iphone 7 compared to the higher storage counterparts is 30% slower on writing on it and so on.
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...other-capacities.2007747/page-7#post-23771564
In real life the every day customer will not be able to tell or notice a thousand of a fraction of a second or any of those tests and simulations that try to make such minor things a big deal and blown out of proportion. iPhone gate etc...
Geez... you are being intentionally obtuse...

Nothing's being blown out of proportion when I have an iPhone 6 (the phone I have used without issue for two years) sitting next to my iPhone 7, connecting to same network for the same carrier, and my old phone works and the new one does not... and this is after two weeks of me simply dealing with the issues, dismissing them myself as you are now...

I am seeing now, that the results of these tests are being picked up by both Forbes and Fortune... put me in the plus one category I guess. And I guess you can continue your debate with Cellular Insights, who's seeing the same as I am.
 
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