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I honestly thought Apple was nuts when they announced this. I had my doubts about SoCs powering iPhones being able to replace the almighty Intel. Apple Silicon has been amazing. I hope Apple stays with ARM because I'm sure it's been hell for developers trying to keep up with all the changes. PowerPC -> Intel. 32-Bit -> 64 Bit. Intel -> Apple Silicon. I say this because I'm sure RISC-V is tempting, but Apple has a good thing going with ARM.
I was definitely one of the skeptics too. The way I recall thinking about it was, they’ve been making life needlessly difficult on the Mac for years, piling another huge disruption on top of that is going to be too much to ask. The only way they can pull this off is if the performance is so amazing that it’s actually worth going to all the trouble…

… and then they actually did it. And they just kept going, putting the M1 in a new MacBook Pro with a good keyboard, function keys, other ports, freakin' MagSafe back again, and even stepping back from the thinness thing with a big battery and amazing thermals. Total Mac victory.
 
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People seem to have forgotten about how common the sentiment was that Apple would never do this
I think part of it was that the rumours had floated around for sooo long (the earliest I've been able to find is from 1996) that it truly became "I'll believe it when I see it".
 
If you watch Steve Jobs talk about the transition from power PC to Intel he said that this will be good for the next 20 years and Apple has kept pretty much to that timetable. :rolleyes:
 
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I honestly thought Apple was nuts when they announced this. I had my doubts about SoCs powering iPhones being able to replace the almighty Intel. Apple Silicon has been amazing. I hope Apple stays with ARM because I'm sure it's been hell for developers trying to keep up with all the changes. PowerPC -> Intel. 32-Bit -> 64 Bit. Intel -> Apple Silicon. I say this because I'm sure RISC-V is tempting, but Apple has a good thing going with ARM.
You missed 68k->PowerPC :)
 
They announced it, but everyone knew it was coming in the years ahead of the announcement. Everyone following rumours knew years beforehand to hold off buying if you didn't want to be stuck with an Intel Mac.
 
It’s hard to believe how bad the Mac was from 2016 until the advent of the M1 macs.

Whilst a MacBook Pro redesign was welcome and the new MacBook was intriguing, the end results were not great. And the mba was left in the early part of the decade.

Underpowered. Ran too hot. Those keyboards…

The iMac was probably apple’s best computer in the last decade year in year, in a decade where people were moving towards laptops.

And let’s not mention the Mac Pro.

The Mac was in a terrible place for the best part of half a decade in the last decade with a line up full of compromises and no easy answer to the question: ‘what Mac should I get?

Back in 2017 or so $999 got you a slow mba in an ageing chassis. Now it gets you a sleek incredibly fast computer that has more power than most people will ever need. And that’s just the entry level model SKU.

Which incidentally, for most people is the answer to the question above.

I think Steve jobs would be proud with what apple has done with the Mac. And of course looking to what is next.
 
I have a MacBook Pro M1, MacBook Pro M4 and an Intel 2018 iMac with 27" screen and the Intel is the one that I use most for hopping on the internet, running backups, using as a file server, and a few other tasks. I am stuck on Ventura, but appreciate having a Mac with Intel processor while preferring the M Series for obvious reasons.

When I first heard of the change, I signed up to get a working model in a Mac Mini platform and though some of the cores were disabled, I could tell it was a game changer! Blazing fast!

I remember Parallels for Mac flat out would not work in the beginning. Microsoft was on the ball with having their software compatible. I was elated when iPad apps can run on the Mac.

Great decision on Apple's part because they never really kept up too well with the latest and fastest Intel processors. They were fast enough. My 2018 in many cases can be equally as fast as my M1, or not enough difference to matter - so long as I'm not rendering video.

The M Series is not fully Apple's Silicon. It's the ARM architecture. Though Apple has free reign to do with it as it wants, I'm sure it has to pay licensing / royalties. I do see a twenty year or so relationship before Apple moves on to another architecture that is more tuned to organic computing technology where the computer becomes you and begins to be an active partner in completing tasks, scheduling events, interacting with your family, friends and co-workers. A data assistant with personality to match yours with precise predictability. A motivator and interactive information provider. Imagine being read a headline and you interact with the news story (What is this about?) and you get a concise summary, then you can ask questions like a mind-map and after that interaction with that news story is complete, it now interacts with your spouse and maybe kids and/or certain friends and each of you interact organically.

Yes, we are at the forefront of the Apple Silicon and twenty years from now, interactive computing will be lightning fast, organic, sharing, and highly education and informative. Let's not forget interaction with the world where this interactive computing will allow me to self-drive to a drive-through and pick up a latte or to drive to Grandma's house to transport the kids or to pick up her home-made cookies! Who knows! Let's circle back in 20 years!
 
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I really think it’s the best move Apple made since the iPhone. It wasn’t covered by the media as they did for the iPhone, because a processor is just not as sexy or easily comprehensible to the public as a smartphone, but to me it’s just as game changing .

Getting bigger shares of the smartphone market is pretty hard now. However , MacOS is just merely around 16% of the desktop computer market. If there is one area where Apple has ample space to expand and get market shares, it’s this one.

It’s really up to them now to play this card or not.
 
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Reading this on my 2019 iMac and shedding a tear…why didn't I wait a bit longer!!
You got the computer you needed at the time.

macOS 26 should work on your Intel Mac, right?

Who’s to say M1 Macs don’t go obsolete next year, too?!

Don’t be sad for your self-proclaimed mistake. Be glad you’ve have a great computer for the last 6+ years and will be getting an M6 or better next time.
 
In 2022 I needed a new laptop. I had been a life long Windows / Linux desktop user, never really considered a Mac. I needed something decent and looked around. Options were a Dell XPS a Lenovo X1 Carbon and as something out of leftfield MBP14 (M1Pro). Dell was rumored to be updating soon and I didnt want to buy a out of date laptop so I didnt get that. I had an X1 Carbon at work, great computer, but I didnt want to have to worry about which computer was which so I got the MBP14 and decided to give macos a try.

Best decision I ever made. No laptop compares. Everything is instant, everything is smooth. The screen is without a peer, the speakers are really good.

Now over 3 years later it was getting a bit sluggish so I reinstalled macos (clean slate) and it feels like brand new again. Apple screwed themselves with this thing. I see no reason to upgrade until this thing literally dies. With Windows you need to get something fresh every 3-4 years or it becomes unworkable.
 
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Given it's been 5 years which is a LONG time in tech.

Genuine Question:

Are there any major software companies or apps that still have not transitioned to new ARM code for the Mac, and still have to run via the translation layers?
I'd have hoped by now that would be done a while ago.

Anyone still dragging their feet?
 
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I'll admit I was a hold-out because of my need for running Windows workloads in a VM. But with the launch of the M4, and Microsoft having really picked up the pace of migrating to Arm architectures (a pretty useful emulator on Win11 Arm and almost fully native toolchain within VS for Arm) I decided make the switch. Going from an Intel 2019 MBP 16" to the high spec M4 MBP was quite a jump. I can honestly say that there's nothing I cannot do on this machine that I need to do. There would have been plenty had I jumped earlier, but not now. Performance is incredible. Big solutions compile in VS for Arm running natively on Win11 Arm in about 20 seconds compared to about 2 minutes on the Intel. Heat? What heat? I know the M4 has a fan but I've never heard it and I've hit the machine pretty hard at times. Battery life is crazy. I can spend a whole day in the VM compiling code continuously and drop about 10% battery. In a day. The Intel would have managed about 2 hours and be begging for power, fans screaming.
 
It's not all rosy. Putting CPU, GPU and RAM on the same chip might have some efficiency advantages, but the lack of upgradebility is concercing. Especially if that trend swaps over to PCs. I enjoy the option to upgrade RAM, even if that means slower access and more engergy.
 
The switch to Apple silicon has been huge and very beneficial. Waiting to see how the M series chip will advance further. Also waiting for Apple to bring out a cellular Mac. This would not have been possible without Apple silicon.
 
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ARM is nice, but Apple threw away their advantage of legally being able run Mac and Windows on one computer when they ditched x86.

They could also switched to AMD which has better performance per watt than the Intel CPUs they were using, and not have to do a huge transition.
The reason dual-boot isn’t currently available on Apple Silicon is not Apple’s fault. Windows can run natively on Apple Silicon without any technical issue. The real blocker is Microsoft’s multi-year exclusivity agreement with Qualcomm, which has prevented Windows ARM from being freely distributed on third-party hardware—including Macs.

That agreement is expected to expire soon (and it must), especially with new players like NVIDIA and possibly Samsung (with Exynos, good luck) entering the ARM desktop space. Once it does, there will be nothing stopping Microsoft from releasing an official build for Apple Silicon. Boot Camp, which still exists within macOS but is hidden, will be able to return. All Apple Silicon Macs—from the very first M1—are already technically ready for dual-boot.

As for the suggestion that Apple should have switched to AMD… really? You think Apple should have abandoned their own proprietary chip architecture—custom-built for macOS, delivering exceptional performance per watt—just to keep native Windows support?

That would’ve been a massive step backward. Apple’s greatest strength is their vertical integration: they control the chip, the OS, the hardware, and the entire optimization stack. Giving that up just to accommodate a competing OS? That’s a massively absurd idea. 😅
 
I had one of the last Intel MBPs, the 2019 16” with a higher end i9/32GB spec. Was flaming hot with crappy battery life and loud fans. My 14” M3 Max 64GB blows it out of the water in every conceivable way from performance, to running cool with the fans hardly ever kicking on, to the battery life lasting all day long and then some, even with heavy multitasking.

There was also a glorious return to physical function buttons instead of that damn Touch Bar and the triumphant return of MagSafe and additional ports. The miniLED and 120Hz were icing on the cake, as well as the space black colorway. It’s just perfection, by far the most amazing computer I’ve ever owned and it’s not even close. It’s like Apple came to its senses.

The Mac is my favorite Apple product forever, as it effortlessly helps me get my work done to provide for my family, from design to development to budgeting and my various hobbies like 3D printing, photography, and planning out woodworking projects. I would be lost without it.
 
I'll admit I was a hold-out because of my need for running Windows workloads in a VM. But with the launch of the M4, and Microsoft having really picked up the pace of migrating to Arm architectures (a pretty useful emulator on Win11 Arm and almost fully native toolchain within VS for Arm) I decided make the switch. Going from an Intel 2019 MBP 16" to the high spec M4 MBP was quite a jump. I can honestly say that there's nothing I cannot do on this machine that I need to do. There would have been plenty had I jumped earlier, but not now. Performance is incredible. Big solutions compile in VS for Arm running natively on Win11 Arm in about 20 seconds compared to about 2 minutes on the Intel. Heat? What heat? I know the M4 has a fan but I've never heard it and I've hit the machine pretty hard at times. Battery life is crazy. I can spend a whole day in the VM compiling code continuously and drop about 10% battery. In a day. The Intel would have managed about 2 hours and be begging for power, fans screaming.
You were absolutely right to wait today, the Windows ARM environment is finally mature enough for serious, productive use. But let’s be honest: that’s not thanks to Microsoft. The truth is, Apple is the one who jump-started the ARM desktop ecosystem.

Windows on ARM has existed since 2012, starting with Windows RT and later with devices like the Surface Pro X. But for eight years, Microsoft left that platform in a half-baked state:
  • no proper emulator,
  • incomplete development tools,
  • limited support in Visual Studio,
  • and almost no native ARM software from third-party developers.
Users were stuck with slow x86 emulation, and developers had little to no incentive to adapt. 😣

Then in 2020, Apple launched the M1 chips — and took a completely different approach:
  • blazing performance, even in Gen 1,
  • dev tools ready on day one,
  • Rosetta 2, an emulation layer that actually worked,
  • and above all, real pressure on the software industry to recompile for ARM.
Within months, major developers who had ignored Windows ARM for years were suddenly pushing native ARM builds (but for macOS). The key is that many of those apps and frameworks (Electron, Chromium, Unity, Qt, etc.) are cross-platform. So now, those same native builds also work on Windows ARM, by extension. But only because Apple forced the market to move.

So yes today Windows ARM is actually viable. But let’s be clear: we got here because of Apple’s momentum, not Microsoft’s vision. If we had waited for Microsoft alone to lead the ARM transition, we might still be waiting in 2030. 😜
 
I just upgraded from my 2018 MacBook Pro to the M4 MacBook Air - the main reason though was that the butterfly keyboard would have needed it's 5th replacement and was out of the replacement programme Apple had. Performance wise it would have been enough for the next 1-2 years at least.

The new one is blazing fast, silent and the battery life completely wows me. Was definitely worth it, and I saved some money by not going for a pro, since I don't need the additional power and other benefits of the pro (screen, speakers,...).
 
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Exciting to see how much macOS changes next year when they can drop intel support.

I don't think it will change much, if at all, than the removal of some legacy code.

So yes today Windows ARM is actually viable. But let’s be clear: we got here because of Apple’s momentum, not Microsoft’s vision. If we had waited for Microsoft alone to lead the ARM transition, we might still be waiting in 2030. 😜

Now for Apple to let use dual-boot Windows 11 ARM, in a boot-camp like environment.
 
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