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MacLawyer

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I stand by what I wrote. I have (had, it's my daughter's now) a 2010 MBP. Basically the same tech except for the retina screen: Intel processor, separate graphics, non-shared memory, and lots of latency because everything is on bus.

As far as I can see, the upgrade from 2010 is the SSD. Otherwise same design theory.

I had no idea that flushable toilets go back that far. ;)
 

Mcdevidr

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I mean by that comparison though a person could say the same about M1. A screen with an attached keyboard with letters in it and speakers. I mean I agree it feels new with feels being the operative word because all this crap is tech built upon tech.
 

LonestarOne

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My old laptop is from 2006. The first MacBook Apple introduced after the transition to Intel.

Quite an upgrade cycle. (I haven’t actually used it in years. The iPhone replaced most of what I used it for, then the iPad replaced the rest.)
 

the8thark

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The modern flushable toilet was first credited to Sir John Harington in 1596. So hundreds of years, actually. It's most widely adopted use is for eliminating crap (like your sarcasm) from public eye.
Actually it was Thomas Crapper who took that very early one off design from a couple hundred years previous and redesigned it so it was usable by the general public. Crapper is the one who put in most of the work and deserves all the credit.

 

djlythium

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Yes.
It's also called the crapper because of Thomas Crapper.
Hmm...

“Alexander Cummings is generally credited with inventing (or, at least, patenting) the first flush mechanism in 1775 (more than 50 years before Crapper was born), and plumbers Joseph Bramah and Thomas Twyford further developed the technology with improvements such as the float-and-valve system.”

”Although the word ‘crap’ (used in a scatological sense) antedates Thomas Crapper and is therefore not derived from his name, the origins of ‘crapper’ as a synonym for ‘toilet’ are unknown, other than that it is a particularly American term whose earliest print citings come from the 1930s.”

Source

Imma go ahead and call BS on this one. ? See all the crap you started, @the8thark? ?
 

ChrisA

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I stand by what I wrote. I have (had, it's my daughter's now) a 2010 MBP. Basically the same tech except for the retina screen: Intel processor, separate graphics, non-shared memory, and lots of latency because everything is on bus.

As far as I can see, the upgrade from 2010 is the SSD. Otherwise same design theory.
I've been around computers for a long time, from the 1970s to the present. Really what has changed? Size and cost are about it. Today I still write software one line at a time. I run it, debug it, and incrementally improve it. I used to use FORTRAN and assembly and now we have C++ and Python. Many details changed but overall the scheme is the same.

I happen to have a mid-2011 Mac. It is rather disappointing that the new 2020 Mac is not really much different. Very little has changed. The graphics now have rounded corners and updated colors. But it is still the same old BSD UNIX with a graphical pointy and clicky front end. There have been no fundamental advances.

But this is to be executed as technology matures, the rate of change slows. We get excited about a new CPU chip but it does the same job as the old chip.

Eventual the technology becomes as matures as toilets and cookstoves and then people keep the PC for 30 years and only buy new if the old one breaks. We will be there one day.
 

acidfast7_redux

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I've been around computers for a long time, from the 1970s to the present. Really what has changed? Size and cost are about it. Today I still write software one line at a time. I run it, debug it, and incrementally improve it. I used to use FORTRAN and assembly and now we have C++ and Python. Many details changed but overall the scheme is the same.

I happen to have a mid-2011 Mac. It is rather disappointing that the new 2020 Mac is not really much different. Very little has changed. The graphics now have rounded corners and updated colors. But it is still the same old BSD UNIX with a graphical pointy and clicky front end. There have been no fundamental advances.

But this is to be executed as technology matures, the rate of change slows. We get excited about a new CPU chip but it does the same job as the old chip.

Eventual the technology becomes as matures as toilets and cookstoves and then people keep the PC for 30 years and only buy new if the old one breaks. We will be there one day.
I regularly use a 2008 iMac and a 2020 M1MBA and the experience is not the same.

It's similar to a horse-drawn plow and a modern-day fuel-powered tractor.

I'd hardly call either of those comparisons non-fundamental advances.
 

ssmed

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Eventual the technology becomes as matures as toilets and cookstoves and then people keep the PC for 30 years and only buy new if the old one breaks. We will be there one day.
If manufacturers provided security updates for older OS (or people swapped to Linux) this is true for most basic computing functions now. Your comment that computers running word 5.1a (1990s) or Office 365 really don't do anything different is so right.
 

acidfast7_redux

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If manufacturers provided security updates for older OS (or people swapped to Linux) this is true for most basic computing functions now. Your comment that computers running word 5.1a (1990s) or Office 365 really don't do anything different is so right.
As a person who regularly uses Office for Mac 2011 and Office 365 (16.34).

With the same volume of material, the user experience is totally different and not even comparable.

If some disagrees, they're not really "using" Office or their time has no value.
 

gilby101

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JouniS

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I regularly use a 2008 iMac and a 2020 M1MBA and the experience is not the same.

It's similar to a horse-drawn plow and a modern-day fuel-powered tractor.

I'd hardly call either of those comparisons non-fundamental advances.
The fundamental change happened in the early 2010s, when SSDs became cheap enough for consumer devices.

I was using a 2010 iMac until recently. It had a 4-core i7, 16 GB memory, and a 256 GB SSD. While all the components were slow by today's standards, I didn't feel it in daily use. The change in user experience from 2010 to 2020 was minimal compared to the change from 2000 to 2010.
 
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Mcdevidr

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Asian or Western toilet? I'd wager that your technology, if it involved water or power, isn't thousands of years old.

It was a smart ass comment not meant to be verified using an online encyclopedia which every 8 year old can do these days.
 

deeddawg

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I've been around computers for a long time, from the 1970s to the present. Really what has changed? Size and cost are about it.

We _have_ cycled from centralized-processing (mainframe/terminal model) to distributed (PC on desk) and back to centralized (cloud/VM/RDP)... :p

Though as you say, some things are constant. A buddy of mine got catfished on BITNET Relay chat. :D
 

deeddawg

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