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ght56

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By the same train of thought, you could argue that both x86 and M1 are inside of decades old technology and that both are just a rehash of what became the norm in the eary-1990s. Fundamentally, these aren't vastly different systems from my late-1990s Dell laptop.
 

harvester32

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The fundamental change happened in the early 2010s, when SSDs became cheap enough for consumer devices.

I was using a 2010 iMac until recently. It had a 4-core i7, 16 GB memory, and a 256 GB SSD. While all the components were slow by today's standards, I didn't feel it in daily use. The change in user experience from 2010 to 2020 was minimal compared to the change from 2000 to 2010.
I would say it happened even earlier when we experimented with RAM drives in the early days of windows (circa early 90s). A 20MB hard disk was state of the art at the time, however it was very slow for multiple small file reads/writes. Many of us ran bulletin board systems while the big guys (Compuserve, AOL, and Genie) had all the best resources available. When running these bulletin boards, we had many ANSI files as well as ini files to config the BBS. RAM drives were a "game changer" when it came to the BBS and scripting made it all work. While the callers called in, everything ran from the RAM Drive and when idle, a script would move the new files to the regular hard drive (albeit slowly). Oh the "good ole days!"
 
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Mcdevidr

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What is the comment referring to? I am totally confused. Have you not used an Asian toilet?

As everyone is saying everything is based on older tech. My comment was just sarcasm. The idea of a toilet is as old as digging a hole in the ground how old it that? If one wants to get pedantic you can sure what about water what about power.
But it’s the same as saying hey look this screen on the M1 is futuristic and the intel MacBook is based on decades old tech.
 

acidfast7_redux

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As everyone is saying everything is based on older tech. My comment was just sarcasm. The idea of a toilet is as old as digging a hole in the ground how old it that? If one wants to get pedantic you can sure what about water what about power.
But it’s the same as saying hey look this screen on the M1 is futuristic and the intel MacBook is based on decades old tech.
non sequitur?
 

acidfast7_redux

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The fundamental change happened in the early 2010s, when SSDs became cheap enough for consumer devices.

I was using a 2010 iMac until recently. It had a 4-core i7, 16 GB memory, and a 256 GB SSD. While all the components were slow by today's standards, I didn't feel it in daily use. The change in user experience from 2010 to 2020 was minimal compared to the change from 2000 to 2010.
That is a very fair comment and I have thought about SSD for the 2008 iMac.

Could you make some suggestions at a reasonable price point.
 

navaira

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This is my thread of the week.

The biggest tech difference I have noticed in the last 10 years was SSD. My husband's iMac was about as fast as Dutch post. When I connected an SSD over Thunderbolt, suddenly it turned into a new machine. It eventually broke and we replaced it with a new one with Fusion Drive… and it feels slower, because of the 32 GB SSD portion.

I really really want an M1 Macbook Air because it has no fan and doesn't heat up, unlike my Hacbook Pro, which serves as an extra radiator while also being a white noise machine (very relaxing if you're not recording audio). The rest will be an awesome bonus – I'm always plugged in (although with a 15hr battery I probably won't be anymore) and I don't really need that extra speed.

Remembering Apple taking out the headphone jack because of #courage I am worried about them reinventing the toilet.
 
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harvester32

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This is my thread of the week.

The biggest tech difference I have noticed in the last 10 years was SSD. My husband's iMac was about as fast as Dutch post. When I connected an SSD over Thunderbolt, suddenly it turned into a new machine. It eventually broke and we replaced it with a new one with Fusion Drive… and it feels slower, because of the 32 GB SSD portion.

I really really want an M1 Macbook Air because it has no fan and doesn't heat up, unlike my Hacbook Pro, which serves as an extra radiator while also being a white noise machine (very relaxing if you're not recording audio). The rest will be an awesome bonus – I'm always plugged in (although with a 15hr battery I probably won't be anymore) and I don't really need that extra speed.

Remembering Apple taking out the headphone jack because of #courage I am worried about them reinventing the toilet.
Yes but they could put Costco out of business in doing so. The paperless iCrapper might just be the thing!
 

gilby101

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Closer to three-and-a-half decades... :p
And macOS closer to 5 decades.
Isn't the M1 basically based on a couple of decades old (ARM) technology as well?
I will put a different point of view.

The original ARM instruction set architecture (ISA) is over 3 decades old, but is that a technology? More like an abstract idea written down on paper (paper is a very old technology). The technology in which the ARM ISA is implemented has changed dramatically since 1985. I would suggest that key the technology advances on which the M1 is based are really just the transistor, integrated circuit and (perhaps) system on a chip.
 

MevetS

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I've been around computers for a long time, from the 1970s to the present. Really what has changed? Size and cost are about it. Today I still write software one line at a time. I run it, debug it, and incrementally improve it. I used to use FORTRAN and assembly and now we have C++ and Python. Many details changed but overall the scheme is the same.

... snip ...

I started learning programming, Fortran, in the late 1970s at Bell Labs in Homdel, NJ. Punch cards as input, paper as output.

Today I talk to my computer and it talks back. Usually, but not always, doing what I ask.

Yep, nothing has changed.
 

gmwalk

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Can't wait til Apple reinvents the toilet industry as well. The way we are still wiping our butts is so archaic.
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vanilla_prison

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This is my thread of the week.

The biggest tech difference I have noticed in the last 10 years was SSD. My husband's iMac was about as fast as Dutch post. When I connected an SSD over Thunderbolt, suddenly it turned into a new machine. It eventually broke and we replaced it with a new one with Fusion Drive… and it feels slower, because of the 32 GB SSD portion.

I really really want an M1 Macbook Air because it has no fan and doesn't heat up, unlike my Hacbook Pro, which serves as an extra radiator while also being a white noise machine (very relaxing if you're not recording audio). The rest will be an awesome bonus – I'm always plugged in (although with a 15hr battery I probably won't be anymore) and I don't really need that extra speed.

Remembering Apple taking out the headphone jack because of #courage I am worried about them reinventing the toilet.
"ONE MORE THING. We have now made a wireless toilet. No piping to septic tank required! It stores waste locally, only needing to be emptied and refreshed once a week. This is an amazing leap forward in technology. No more need for plumbing to get in the way of house planning."

*one week later on release*

Apple website: "Storage compartment sold as separate accessory to toilet. $799 1 cu ft starting price, upgradable to 2 cu ft for $999."
 

haralds

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the8thark

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Imma go ahead and call BS on this one. ? See all the crap you started, @the8thark? ?
Maybe you should read this book and get the full facts.

I no longer have a copy (it was an early edition), but I thoroughly recommend "Flushed with Pride" https://thomas-crapper.com/product/flushed-with-pride-the-story-of-thomas-crapper/

Also here's more facts to back up what I said

Finally snopes which you linked is as untrustworthy as a fact checker as the facebook fact checkers. Ie zero.

The facts are - I'll spell them out to you.

Sir John Harington invented the initial flushable toilet but it was only used by a select few in the royal house for a couple hundred years. The in 1775 Alexander Cumming patented the S-bend. The first flushable toilet related patent.

Where crapper comes into the picture is about 100 years later he took the existing technoligy and made it into something that was actually marketable usable and affordable for the general public. Crapper took a relatively unknown thing and made it mainstream. Added a few of his own ideas along the way like the ballcock.

Crap was used as a term long before crapper. But crapper was a thing somewhat because of Thomas Crapper. By Crapper's time, the term crap was not being used anymore. Crapper existing and doing what he did brought crapper into our vocab and brought back the long dead term crap (as used in this way) back into our vocab.

@djlythium
See?? Facts can be crap, if they are about crap.
 
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djlythium

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Maybe you should read this book and get the full facts.



Also here's more facts to back up what I said

Finally snopes which you linked is as untrustworthy as a fact checker as the facebook fact checkers. Ie zero.

The facts are - I'll spell them out to you.

Sir John Harington invented the initial flushable toilet but it was only used by a select few in the royal house for a couple hundred years. The in 1775 Alexander Cumming patented the S-bend. The first flushable toilet related patent.

Where crapper comes into the picture is about 100 years later he took the existing technoligy and made it into something that was actually marketable usable and affordable for the general public. Crapper took a relatively unknown thing and made it mainstream. Added a few of his own ideas along the way like the ballcock.

Crap was used as a term long before crapper. But crapper was a thing somewhat because of Thomas Crapper. By Crapper's time, the term crap was not being used anymore. Crapper existing and doing what he did brought crapper into our vocab and brought back the long dead term crap (as used in this way) back into our vocab.

@djlythium
See?? Facts can be crap, if they are about crap.
Okay, calm down. ? Thank you for further informing me on the sh***y history of toilets. Srsly, though, I really did try to get more facts on the history, out of sheer fun.
 
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ADGrant

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I would say it happened even earlier when we experimented with RAM drives in the early days of windows (circa early 90s). A 20MB hard disk was state of the art at the time, however it was very slow for multiple small file reads/writes. Many of us ran bulletin board systems while the big guys (Compuserve, AOL, and Genie) had all the best resources available. When running these bulletin boards, we had many ANSI files as well as ini files to config the BBS. RAM drives were a "game changer" when it came to the BBS and scripting made it all work. While the callers called in, everything ran from the RAM Drive and when idle, a script would move the new files to the regular hard drive (albeit slowly). Oh the "good ole days!"
Ha. I was experimenting with RAM drives on my 512ke Mac in 1986. I added an internal memory board hack that increased RAM to a whopping 2 MB. I could allocate a whole floppy sized RAM disk of 800k and it was so fast... :p
 
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