Interesting Android Wear Numbers

[Cashmonee]

It appears Android Wear sold 720,000 all of last year. Wearable bands was just 4.6 million units. Does this temper people expectations? It seems more like Apple TV numbers than iPad numbers, and certainly a far cry from some expectations during the last poll. With those numbers in mind do people stand by their original predictions? New predictions for sales? What do you think a success would be?

 

[Lloydbm41]

It appears Android Wear sold 720,000 all of last year. Wearable bands was just 4.6 million units. Does this temper people expectations? It seems more like Apple TV numbers than iPad numbers, and certainly a far cry from some expectations during the last poll. With those numbers in mind do people stand by their original predictions? New predictions for sales? What do you think a success would be?

 will have ATV sales numbers for the first year. 10 million units is probably a high figure

 

[cmChimera]

It appears Android Wear sold 720,000 all of last year. Wearable bands was just 4.6 million units. Does this temper people expectations? It seems more like Apple TV numbers than iPad numbers, and certainly a far cry from some expectations during the last poll. With those numbers in mind do people stand by their original predictions? New predictions for sales? What do you think a success would be?

Were any of the Android wear watches made by Apple?

 

[Piggie]

Were any of the Android wear watches made by Apple?

Careful when you used the term "Made by" when it comes to Apple products

Screen made by who?
Battery made by who?
Sapphire made by who?
This chip is basically ARM from the UK with Apple mods to layout etc etc.

Generally we accept that Apple makes the cases of it's items, and ties everyone else's hardware together with their own software.

This day and age it's hard to really say one company actually MAKES the product.

But I know what you mean

 

[Cashmonee]

Were any of the Android wear watches made by Apple?

Obviously, no. Also, not the question I was asking. I was wondering if people's thoughts on sales number would change knowing that the entire market sold 4.6 million units. Are numbers like 10 million still reasonable. I am not saying one way or the other, just interested in thoughts.

 

[Runt888]

Careful when you used the term "Made by" when it comes to Apple products

Screen made by who?
Battery made by who?
Sapphire made by who?
This chip is basically ARM from the UK with Apple mods to layout etc etc.

Generally we accept that Apple makes the cases of it's items, and ties everyone else's hardware together with their own software.

This day and age it's hard to really say one company actually MAKES the product.

But I know what you mean

Now you're just arguing for arguments sake

 

[Piggie]

Now you're just arguing for arguments sake

Just always made me giggle when some idiot a few months ago in another area on macrumours hated Samsung so much he said anything of Samsung was banned from every being in his home, EVER.

It was then pointed out that most of the items inside his Apple product were probably made by Samsung.

Made me giggle that one

 

[Tycho24]

It was then pointed out that most of the items inside his Apple product were probably made by Samsung.

Made me giggle that one

"Most" is a gross exaggeration.

Also, I do believe that many of us can differentiate between blatant knock off finished products rushed to market that we are NOT interested in supporting, & foundry pieces produced to precise specifications of the ordering entity... and do not equate them equally.

 

[tkermit]

I was wondering if people's thoughts on sales number would change knowing that the entire market sold 4.6 million units. Are numbers like 10 million still reasonable.

It all depends on whether the Apple Watch can actually deliver what Apple has promised. The relative lack of success of Android Wear has practically no bearing on that imo.

 

[kdarling]

Bear in mind that the 720,000 Android Wear sales began mid year when such watches started trickling out. They also require JB or better.

The report notes that the Moto 360 was the best selling AW device, but was constrained by limited supply... plus it only started selling towards the last quarter.

The round LG R also reportedly sold better than its square brother.

 

[Cashmonee]

Bear in mind that the 720,000 Android Wear sales began mid year when such watches started trickling out. They also require JB or better.

The report notes that the Moto 360 was the best selling AW device, but was constrained by limited supply... plus it only started selling towards the last quarter.

The round LG R also reportedly sold better than its square brother.

Good points. I am not trying to say the Watch will not be a success. In fact, I think it will be a success in Apple's eyes. I also think they are aiming lower, sales numbers wise, than many onlookers think, as evidenced by them lumping it into the "other" category for reporting. The smart watch market is pretty small, and it remains to be seen if there will be mass market acceptance. I think Apple realizes that.

 

[kdarling]

The smart watch market is pretty small, and it remains to be seen if there will be mass market acceptance. I think Apple realizes that.

Agreed.

That's why I say it's smart that Apple put everything and the kitchen sink into their device. (Or as people say about other companies, throwing a ton of things against the wall to see what sticks.)

Notifications, apps, health, payments, cute drawing stuff, pretty bands, etc.

With luck, at least one feature out of all that will be enough to attract a buyer.

 

[cmChimera]

But I know what you mean

Good, because the rest of your post was pretty ridiculous.

Obviously, no. Also, not the question I was asking. I was wondering if people's thoughts on sales number would change knowing that the entire market sold 4.6 million units. Are numbers like 10 million still reasonable. I am not saying one way or the other, just interested in thoughts.

I feel like looking at Android wear sales and trying to estimate Apple Watch sales is a non-starter. Imagine looking at mp3 players before the iPod and trying to estimate the popularity of the iPod. It just won't work.

 

[Cashmonee]

Good, because the rest of your post was pretty ridiculous.

I feel like looking at Android wear sales and trying to estimate Apple Watch sales is a non-starter. Imagine looking at mp3 players before the iPod and trying to estimate the popularity of the iPod. It just won't work.

Perhaps. However, it is an indicator of the current size of the market, which means if Apple sold 5 million in the first year, they would more than double the market. 10 million would triple it. That would be very impressive. Further, I think if Apple were planning to sell 5-10 million in the first year, they would be reporting it on it's own, which they aren't.

And for the record, the first iPod did not sell well at all. It wasn't until it went multiplatform before it started to dominate.

 

[Sharkey311]

Careful when you used the term "Made by" when it comes to Apple products

Screen made by who?
Battery made by who?
Sapphire made by who?
This chip is basically ARM from the UK with Apple mods to layout etc etc.

Generally we accept that Apple makes the cases of it's items, and ties everyone else's hardware together with their own software.

This day and age it's hard to really say one company actually MAKES the product.

But I know what you mean

....apple designs and makes their hardware, other companies manufacture it for them.

 

[BvizioN]

Careful when you used the term "Made by" when it comes to Apple products

Screen made by who?
Battery made by who?
Sapphire made by who?
This chip is basically ARM from the UK with Apple mods to layout etc etc.

Does that really matter? It's Apple who design and put things together to create the products that we know and make them arguably superior from the rest of competitors.

Do you really ask who made the brushes and the paint for the drawing you buy? Do you even know who made the brushes and the paint for the Mona Lisa masterpiece? I didn't think so. But the name of the author is immortal.

So yeah... who made the batteries,screen, processor etc for the Appel iPhone? Who gives a toss. Some companies who had to make it good enough it to meet Apple's standards and stay on business, or go home.

 

[Piggie]

....apple designs and makes their hardware, other companies manufacture it for them.

No they don't. Not really in that way.
That's a bit of a simplistic view, and you know what, I wish it was genuinely like that.

There is no point in Apple trying to re-invent the wheel for every component.
I know they tweak things, and fiddle here and there.
but actually design everything and get others to make it. Not really.

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Does that really matter? It's Apple who design and put things together to create the products that we know and make them arguably superior from the rest of competitors.

Do you really ask who made the brushes and the paint for the drawing you buy? Do you even know who made the brushes and the paint for the Mona Lisa masterpiece? I didn't think so. But the name of the author is immortal.

So yeah... who made the batteries,screen, processor etc for the Appel iPhone? Who gives a toss. Some companies who had to make it good enough it to meet Apple's standards and stay on business, or go home.

I'm not arguing, just brings a little realism to the fantasy some seem to have here.
Car makers do the same, they use other bits already made and have done for years, gearbox's, engines, lights, etc etc.

I think you have it the wrong way round though also.
Apple has, like everyone else has to, as a builder. Use what others have developed. Apple does not DEMAND a 5 year battery.
Other companies design, develop and make batteries, and like you or I, Apple goes shopping to see what's out there and what it can use, albeit on a large scale.

Apple have to accept what's there, it's not as you paint it, made it to Apple's demands or they go elsewhere. Apple is almost a custom PC maker that assembles parts & writes software to glue it together.

there is nothing wrong with that. But they don't have access to magic.

 

[DravenGSX]

Perhaps. However, it is an indicator of the current size of the market, which means if Apple sold 5 million in the first year, they would more than double the market. 10 million would triple it. That would be very impressive. Further, I think if Apple were planning to sell 5-10 million in the first year, they would be reporting it on it's own, which they aren't.

And for the record, the first iPod did not sell well at all. It wasn't until it went multiplatform before it started to dominate.

I'm not sure that it is an indicator of the current size of the market. Have you ever played with AW? I played with it and it was practically unusable for me. If I'm any indication, then there are plenty of others waiting for the Apple Watch that haven't entered the market yet. There is almost zero incentive for an iPhone user to invest in AW. As such, there isn't a market yet.

This is all speculation.. we'll find out at the end of the third quarter what the market really looks like.

 

[virginblue4]

I'm not sure that it is an indicator of the current size of the market. Have you ever played with AW? I played with it and it was practically unusable for me. If I'm any indication, then there are plenty of others waiting for the Apple Watch that haven't entered the market yet. There is almost zero incentive for an iPhone user to invest in AW. As such, there isn't a market yet.



This is all speculation.. we'll find out at the end of the third quarter what the market really looks like.

You've played with an Apple Watch? Unless you work in Cupertino for Apple then you haven't 'played' with one. Unless you were at the Apple event and you got to put one on your wrist that simply displayed a demo loop (you didn't actually get to use it).

 

[Piggie]

You've played with an Apple Watch? Unless you work in Cupertino for Apple then you haven't 'played' with one. Unless you were at the Apple event and you got to put one on your wrist that simply displayed a demo loop (you didn't actually get to use it).

Well, I'm guessing at least some of the tens / hundreds of people out in the wild who have been seen wearing Apple watches for testing, must have at least one friend?

 

[jhfenton]

You've played with an Apple Watch? Unless you work in Cupertino for Apple then you haven't 'played' with one. Unless you were at the Apple event and you got to put one on your wrist that simply displayed a demo loop (you didn't actually get to use it).

His post was confusing, but by AW, he meant Android Wear.

 

[virginblue4]

His post was confusing, but by AW, he meant Android Wear.

Oops, then I apologise.

 

[Cashmonee]

I'm not sure that it is an indicator of the current size of the market. Have you ever played with AW? I played with it and it was practically unusable for me. If I'm any indication, then there are plenty of others waiting for the Apple Watch that haven't entered the market yet. There is almost zero incentive for an iPhone user to invest in AW. As such, there isn't a market yet.

This is all speculation.. we'll find out at the end of the third quarter what the market really looks like.

In the article, it says 4.6 million total wrist wearables were sold last year, of which, 720,000 were Android Wear. So, it is, by definition, the size of the market. 4.6 million last year. Now, is it indicative of the potential size of the market? That is another question. I was merely curious if people's prediction of first year sales would change knowing that most predicted sales that were larger than the entire wrist wearable market.

 

[cmChimera]

Perhaps. However, it is an indicator of the current size of the market

Much like the tablet market pre-iPad. iPod is the earliest example, but history has repeated itself.

And for the record, the first iPod did not sell well at all. It wasn't until it went multiplatform before it started to dominate.

By what standard? Apple took 125,000 sales on a product in 2 months at the lowest point of their popularity. By 2003 they had sold 600,000. In 2000 it was estimated that 1.18 MP3 players would be sold for the year. Apple sold almost half that number (which represented the entire market) in 14 months. Now Apple pushes millions in a weekend.

 

[thejadedmonkey]

Much like the tablet market pre-iPad. iPod is the earliest example, but history has repeated itself.

By what standard? Apple took 125,000 sales on a product in 2 months at the lowest point of their popularity. By 2003 they had sold 600,000. In 2000 it was estimated that 1.18 MP3 players would be sold for the year. Apple sold almost half that number (which represented the entire market) in 14 months. Now Apple pushes millions in a weekend.

Your figures don't refute Cashmonee's argument. The original mac only iPod didn't sell well, and it would have been statistically impossible to achieve a > 3% marketshare.

Having said that, the first gen iPod was sold as a Mac+PC version, so it's possible that you are both right.