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Interesting perspective on Apple and the pro music world
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I'll miss Final Cut and Logic, but I can still use Ableton Live, and on the whole, my system just seems a bit more responsive with Windows 10. I can use whatever GPU I want and don't have to worry about the OS supporting it.
Only downside is Windows doesn't like the fact my firewire sound card has unsigned drivers. Quick google search and it's all fixed
Logic Pro X is very powerful and polished. There are aspects of it that I would miss. I started off with Cubase VST in '98, and have kept current since C5. C8.5.2 is incredibly feature rich, with v9 most likely to be released in December.
Dropped Abobe when the cloud subscription came to be, which lead me to Affinity Designer and Photo, with both now being developed for Windows.
Looks like Windows is moving towards Thunderbolt compatibility. http://www.pro-tools-pc.com/microsoft-will-officially-support-thunderbolt-on-windows-10/
What remains to be seen is if UAD will make it's Apollo compatible with TB3 and Windows. Otherwise, there's the costly shifit to a USB3 version.
Discovered this source of info to gradually built a skill set with a computer that I have access to.
http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/how-to-use-windows-10
Time is on my side, as I can wait several months to a year before making move.
Mac Pro Users, 2016
Still using Adobe but have purchased the Affinity products and am anxiously keeping track of their progress. They are also going to offer replacements for InDesign and Lightroom which should be very interesting.
http://www.pro-tools-pc.com/microsoft-will-officially-support-thunderbolt-on-windows-10/
I'm not completely convinced that Thunderbolt is completely justified at this point. Maybe when Intel comes out with their new storage tech it will be justified but with current storage speeds, USB3 seems enough (and more reasonable in cost).
Thank you very much for that link! I have been gathering up all the info I can for the move to Windows. It's a big move and something I never thought would come but Apple isn't leaving creatives with much choice
Interesting indeed!
USB3 specs out pretty well. I just got a 4 lane usb3 card for my cMP 2012. I just upgraded the CPU and ram in my cMPs, so extremely unlikely that a 'november surprise' of some sort from apple will yield any spending on my part. Anyway, I think there is a bit of a consensus that mac pro will be merged into some sort of high powered imac, so not a satisfying announcement expected. I like my classic more and more--where else can one plug in 4 disk drives and move them around the systems at will? Both the trash can and i series have one thing in common--great risk in taking the things apart to upgrade.
Which is why people are starting to look at PC's where you can install 8 drives.
Retail companies want loyal long term customers.
Mac 'evangelists' used to buy the high end Apple products and the 'halo' effect would sell iMacs and peripherals such as Apple wireless Base Stations etc. Kind of a 'race on Sunday, sell on Monday' thing. The Pro users were held in high regard and their experience would translate into sales based on their use and recommendation of Mac computers.
New Apple customers are now starting with iPhones and buy Apple iGadgets later. Think about it, Beats headphones, iWatch, ATV, iTunes Music etc.
This is the current Apple ecosystem. Apple wants and needs to keep these customers happy and loyal.
Mac 'evangelists' used to buy the high end Apple products and the 'halo' effect would sell iMacs and peripherals such as Apple wireless Base Stations etc. Kind of a 'race on Sunday, sell on Monday' thing. The Pro users were held in high regard and their experience would translate into sales based on their use and recommendation of Mac computers.
New Apple customers are now starting with iPhones and buy Apple iGadgets later. Think about it, Beats headphones, iWatch, ATV, iTunes Music etc.
This is the current Apple ecosystem. Apple wants and needs to keep these customers happy and loyal.
The main thing is that you can run just about any audio software on just about any modern hardware, it just doesn't matter anymore almost any computer you can buy will do the job just fine with a USB DAC. Hell the gorillaz made an album on an iPad in 2010.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_(Gorillaz_album)
So my question to all of you is what are you wanting from Apple?? The current computer line up will do any recording job you want with no issues at all, the current Mac Pro is just about the most silent fan design desktop you can buy and more than powerful enough for any audio job.
Really what are Apple computers lacking that audio engineers can't get from the current line up??
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fall_(Gorillaz_album)
So my question to all of you is what are you wanting from Apple?? The current computer line up will do any recording job you want with no issues at all, the current Mac Pro is just about the most silent fan design desktop you can buy and more than powerful enough for any audio job.
Really what are Apple computers lacking that audio engineers can't get from the current line up??
Really. It was recorded on an iPad. one small step in the process. what about the rest of it?
there will always be the need for more. there are still plenty of outboard and card based accelerators, DSPs and hardware plugins. some of them cost many thousands of dollars. computers are no where near fast enough for a lot of audio production and mixing work. and as they get more powerful, new and better ideas and possibilities are added to take advantage of the increase in power. whatever potential is achieved, we keep finding ways to make it not enough.
This is a fair question.
Yes, the current line up is quite capable, but seriously lacking in user customization options.
The 2010 MBP used to write this has a second internal drive for media storage, and is also a bootable Snow Leopard volume thanks to the OWC data doubler. No such option with newer MBP, but a second internal drive is a common option in Windows laptops.
The nMP is as exciting an innovative design as it is expensive. Yet the big question is what's next, if anything?
Is it the G4 Cube "toaster "reincarnated, destined for the same one-hit wonder fate? http://www.macworld.com/article/1153341/macs/cube-10thanniversary.html
The cMP is a dream machine of user upgrade options.
While 27" iMacs are certainly powerful and quite elegant, I'm more comfortable at the moment with a 24" monitor with the Mini, and want to the option to select a monitor size based on my needes and available space. Stating the obvious, the only user upgrade option is to add more reasonably priced RAM, othersise, it's $$$ to customize it.
Frustrating!!!
More signs that Apple is losing ground with pro audio...
Windows 10 Thunderbolt Compatibility with UAD Apollo- Pro Audio folks are smiling.
http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/hom...thunderbolt-compatibility-announced-exclusive
[doublepost=1478300923][/doublepost]Eric Persing- Not smiling at Apple
Facebook Quote:
APPLE HAS COMPLETELY LOST IT. I am absolutely FURIOUS about this news! This is literally a feature that our entire team at Spectrasonics utilizes EVERY DAY, dozens of times a day! The removal of optical out is INSANE! In our world of audio, this is a feature that made MacBook Pros truly a mobile/professional audio machine! Native core audio with simple digital audio output is one of the essential reasons that these laptops have always been the best for audio and music. NOW THEY'VE TAKEN IT AWAY SO THEY SAVE A PENNY!
I hate you apple! (Never thought I'd every say that)
New MacBook Pro drops optical audio out through headphone jack
Windows 10 Thunderbolt Compatibility with UAD Apollo- Pro Audio folks are smiling.
http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/hom...thunderbolt-compatibility-announced-exclusive
[doublepost=1478300923][/doublepost]Eric Persing- Not smiling at Apple
Facebook Quote:
APPLE HAS COMPLETELY LOST IT. I am absolutely FURIOUS about this news! This is literally a feature that our entire team at Spectrasonics utilizes EVERY DAY, dozens of times a day! The removal of optical out is INSANE! In our world of audio, this is a feature that made MacBook Pros truly a mobile/professional audio machine! Native core audio with simple digital audio output is one of the essential reasons that these laptops have always been the best for audio and music. NOW THEY'VE TAKEN IT AWAY SO THEY SAVE A PENNY!
I hate you apple! (Never thought I'd every say that)
New MacBook Pro drops optical audio out through headphone jack
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It's very sad Apple seems to have lost its way by making the most boneheaded movies, the latest being the dumbing down of the optical digital/analogue connecter that was extremely useful.
I was gutted when they dropped the same dual use input connecter, which was a really nice way to record crisp digital audio without a breakout box.
Apple needs to ask themselves what are they trying to achieve here, I for one am confused and disheartened.
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I was gutted when they dropped the same dual use input connecter, which was a really nice way to record crisp digital audio without a breakout box.
Apple needs to ask themselves what are they trying to achieve here, I for one am confused and disheartened.
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Imo they should spin off Apple computer as a separate company under its own leadership but still within an Apple company. That or get someone who cares about it to give it the love and nurturing touch it needs.
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I bet Windows 10 users are happy yes.
Although all the Apollo Thunderbolt interfaces are already compatible OS X/macOS. So the fact that UAD makes their thunderbolt interfaces windows 10 friendly is a sign that Apple is losing ground with pro audio? When MOTU made Digital Performer compatible with Windows after being Mac-only for decades that didn't change anything for Mac users, but it did make some Windows users happy I guess...
Besides, the guy who has an UAD Apollo interface couldn't care less about the MBP 3.5mm digital out......
I'm also confused and disheartened.
For the longest time, I believed that Apple was the choice for creatives, including musicians. In my small circle, I always tried to sell people I met on the benefits of a Mac as in more or less immune to viruses. Macs were fun because the user could upgrade them with a faster hard drive, more ram, etc. Now Apple presents the buyer with limited choices, mostly soldered in place, with optimized performance available at a premium price. Too bad.
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I bet Windows 10 users are happy yes.
Although all the Apollo Thunderbolt interfaces are already compatible OS X/macOS. So the fact that UAD makes their thunderbolt interfaces windows 10 friendly is a sign that Apple is losing ground with pro audio? When MOTU made Digital Performer compatible with Windows after being Mac-only for decades that didn't change anything for Mac users, but it did make some Windows users happy I guess...
Besides, the guy who has an UAD Apollo interface couldn't care less about the MBP 3.5mm digital out......
The Apollo works great with Mac OSX. I have one.
I also have DP and was once active at Motunation. I put together the Evolution of DP: A Loose Timeline.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/cnhyb6a7bhklzjj/Evolution_Of_DP_2008.pdf?dl=0
In my case, the TB Apollo and a Mac have been a dream configuration. My definition of a dream is changing, and kudos to Microsoft for working with UA to make the Apollo available to Windows users. The flood gates are going to open, and it will include former Mac users. I think Apple is making a mistake by ignoring the needs of the creative community. Eric Persing is no kid bedroom producer using Logic Pro X. His company Spectrasoncis is known worldwide in the pro audio world.
Sad to say that Apple just isn't that important to me anymore.
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It was you who did this? double thumbs up then!!!
...I don't go to Motunation everyday but that's a nice community.I know - I use their software. But *imo*, the MBP's 3.5mm digital out was just a convenience, not something I would rely on for a finished product, but that's just me.
...On a side note, I've just started using Logic Pro X and I'm loving it. I've just started a new project and it will be completely done in Logic. I resent the "kid bedroom producer" reference sir
Seriously though, DP's UI is becoming more and more bloated with every new release and tbh it's starting to seriously affect my work. Large projects take forever to load and smooth playback hasn't been a priority as of late. On the Pro Tools side, editing workflow is still unsurpassed, but there are other annoying issues that can make it a pain in the butt as well. Some things are much faster to do in Logic, the beautiful UI, the VIs, etc. It may be just $200 (more than $300 in Canada btw...) but LPX itself is worth a lot, lot more.
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It was you who did this? double thumbs up then!!!
Thank you!
The Motunation community members are collectively among the most informed from among the music production forums I read through.
Seeing incredibly cool MOTU ads in various recording magazines that I read over the years inspired me to compile them, with A Loose Timelilne resulting. Even Shooshie contributed some of his scanned documents to the project.
Morpheo said:...On a side note, I've just started using Logic Pro X and I'm loving it. I've just started a new project and it will be completely done in Logic. I resent the "kid bedroom producer" reference sir
I started using Logic 8 which was released a few months or so before DP6. It's' a fantastic DAW.
My apologies for the "kid bedroom producer" reference.
I know that LPX is truly a pro app used by many artists and producers. The observation is that as the priced dropped from $1k for L7, to $500 for L8, and now $200 for LPX, the Logic forums saw an influx of newbies who couldn't be bothered reading the manuals. Cheers.