Other Interesting thought - XR resolution may not matter

[gurase]

If 326 ppi vs whatever I have on my 6s+ means I’ll have longer battery life, I’ll “downgrade”. I had the 6s before exchanging it for my 6s+. I mainly did it for the battery and honestly had no idea the screens had different pixel densities.

If screen quality is more important to you, don’t get the XR.

 

[heov]

And you find acceptable to have a screen with the same “sharpness” as the 6 from 2014? That’s called trying to justify a product when the company is just being cheap, just like “Apple removed the screen” and you go like “It’s alright I barely used it anyway”.

Actually, 326ppi was introduced with the 4. The 4s, 5, 5s, 5c, 6, 6s, SE, 7, 8, and now the Xr have maintained that pixel density. I guess the 9th generation of retina was the year you decided 326ppi was too low for the entry level iPhone? They've increased the size and resolution from 3.5 to 4 to 4.7 to 6.1 and maintained the exact same PPI.

Why is this year the unnacceptable year to have 326ppi for the cheap iPhone? Did you bitch on 2017? 2016? 2015? 2014? 2012? 2011? 2010?

 

[1050792]

Actually, 326ppi was introduced with the 4. The 4s, 5, 5s, 5c, 6, 6s, SE, 7, 8, and now the Xr have maintained that pixel density. I guess the 9th generation of retina was the year you decided 326ppi was too low for the entry level iPhone? They've increased the size and resolution from 3.5 to 4 to 4.7 to 6.1 and maintained the exact same PPI.

Why is this year the unnacceptable year to have 326ppi for the cheap iPhone? Did you bitch on 2017? 2016? 2015? 2014? 2012? 2011? 2010?

It's almost 2019 and not 2014 to offer such low resolutions and ppi's, besides the prices were lower before compared to the current XR price and it's "amazing" Liquid Retina Display which the only thing they advertise about it is how it's the "most color accurate LCD on a phone" like they didn't say this every year before having OLED.

 

[Macalicious2011]

Everyone's eyes are different. Some might not notices higher PPI while others do.

Personally I am a screen snob and upgraded from iPad 2 to the iPad 3 with retina display in an instant.

I even noticed the downgrade from a Samsung Galaxy S6+ Edge to a Pixel 2. In phone stores I find legibility of text better and use less straining when using high PPI phones.

Give two phones to someone else and they might not even notice that one has higher PPI or even OLED screen?

 

[now i see it]

It's not like we're theorizing what existed before the Big Bang ... endless guesses with no way to know, these phones will be in reviewers hands very soon and the thousands of conjectures will be put to rest with imperical evidence.
Patience. We'll all find out what's really up with this display compared to the Plus phones very soon.

 

[apolloa]

Dont get me wrong, this isnt an apologist thread for not having a 6.1” AT LEAST 1080p screen for $749 in 2018 especially when a 1080p 5.5” screen was offered “as low as” $799 as the latest and greatest of LED offerings, the year before and certainly still is with 7plus and 8plus offered in lower price tiers now. It’s Apple greed plain and simple, from my perspective. Any Battery life increases would be a side effect (supposed to be 1.5 hours more than 8plus, between lower resolution screen and A12)

As a side note its also quite sloppy the 8plus is $699 in the lineup and XR is $749. That pricing difference makes no sense to me.

And i also have to preface

I ‘love’ my X and backup 7Plus screens- I love the 458ppi and 401ppi respectively... though the 458ppi has to factor in pentile and sub pixel layout, somewhat even offset by high quality Samsung OLED’s and Apple’s software voodoo. (And I’m not really in the market for an XR so this isnt to convince myself to buy one, OLED is king I love pure blacks on my jailbroken device and the crazy contrast)

If Apple applies enough software voodoo, I could see 326ppi itself actually not being an issue... especially to average Joe.

SO LONG AS p3 color gamut and other panel characteristics are up to par. If they arent, then all bets are off because ppi doesnt tell the be all end all story.

Also, just some additional perspective... my 12.9 iPad Pro is a measly 264ppi with an excellent panel in it

It’s true my iPad I’m using from a further viewing distance when used as a tablet, and even further when using the apple Smart Keyboard for a laptop like experience, but even with my face CRAMMED inches from the screen (unrealistically), I’m not balking at crazy pixelation or a shocking amount of lacking sharpness.

Nor with my SE (even tho a quality panel can be a lottery), which isnt a P3 panel or even as good as 6/6s panels in quality.

It remains to be seen... BUT, make no bones about it, the XR screen is technologically far more advanced then the XS ones, because it’s brand new screen tech, sure it’s LCD but it’s infrastructure is new and redesigned so it can fit in a near bezel less device.
I’ll take a look at one, it won’t look as good as an OLED, but weather it’s enough of a difference to care we will have to see, also remains to be seen how much better it is in direct sunlight as OLED work well with that.
Another thing is with a lower resolution, will games run at a higher frame rate?

It’s also very likely the XR screen tech is what the new iPad Pros will have if they lose the bezels too.

 

[majkom]

This is resolution is a crap. It would be a downgrade from my 6S Plus so what's the point of having a worse screen?

You know what I hate with cheap PC laptops? Screens. That's why I love my MBP.

I think the iPhone XS is worth the price.

iPhone XR has:
- lower resolution, LCD screen
- aluminium body
- single-lens camera
- less storage
- available in October

I chose XS.

Congrats, now you are proud owner of screen using pwm

 

[martin2345uk]

This argument gets more and more childish. We’re all adults, we all know the XR screen won’t look quite as good as the XS and we all know not everyone is at all bothered by that. Each to their own.

 

[mpConroe]

Congrats, now you are proud owner of screen using pwm

I don't think it's a big deal.

 

[ooloo]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2010/06/10/resolving_the_iphone_resolution.html

 

[aevan]

Dont get me wrong, this isnt an apologist thread for not having a 6.1” AT LEAST 1080p screen for $749 in 2018 especially when a 1080p 5.5” screen was offered “as low as” $799 as the latest and greatest of LED offerings, the year before and certainly still is with 7plus and 8plus offered in lower price tiers now. It’s Apple greed plain and simple, from my perspective. Any Battery life increases would be a side effect (supposed to be 1.5 hours more than 8plus, between lower resolution screen and A12)

As a side note its also quite sloppy the 8plus is $699 in the lineup and XR is $749. That pricing difference makes no sense to me.

And i also have to preface

I ‘love’ my X and backup 7Plus screens- I love the 458ppi and 401ppi respectively... though the 458ppi has to factor in pentile and sub pixel layout, somewhat even offset by high quality Samsung OLED’s and Apple’s software voodoo. (And I’m not really in the market for an XR so this isnt to convince myself to buy one, OLED is king I love pure blacks on my jailbroken device and the crazy contrast)

If Apple applies enough software voodoo, I could see 326ppi itself actually not being an issue... especially to average Joe.

SO LONG AS p3 color gamut and other panel characteristics are up to par. If they arent, then all bets are off because ppi doesnt tell the be all end all story.

Also, just some additional perspective... my 12.9 iPad Pro is a measly 264ppi with an excellent panel in it

It’s true my iPad I’m using from a further viewing distance when used as a tablet, and even further when using the apple Smart Keyboard for a laptop like experience, but even with my face CRAMMED inches from the screen (unrealistically), I’m not balking at crazy pixelation or a shocking amount of lacking sharpness.

Nor with my SE (even tho a quality panel can be a lottery), which isnt a P3 panel or even as good as 6/6s panels in quality.

The resolution is fine. It’s definitely not “greed”, it’s a way to keep the cost down and battery life up. OLEDs need a higher resolution to look good (read below), but this is a smart and good decision on Apple’s part.

After 300ppi, contrast, colors and brightness become much more important, and yet it’s harder to market these things for some reason - so some manufacturers (and people) focus on resolution. OLED phones (iOS and Android) use Pentile subpixel arrangements which result in a lower-res looking screens than LCDs with the same resolution - this is why they need even higher ppi to look good. At the end, iPhone X/XS will look sharper than an iPhone XR/7/8 but not as much as it seems on paper.

It’s perfectly fine, really. No one should choose the XS over XR because of the resolution. Better OLED contrast? Maybe - if that is important to you. But resolution? No.

 

[ultravegeta1981]

Have a Moto g6 plus with 1080p display and my former phone an iPhone 8 looked better to look at. Apples LCDs are quality. I did see a difference in YouTube videos though,1080p does look better.

 

[aevan]

That’s called ripping people of because you can find a $300 phone with a sharper screen and yes it’s noticiable

You can’t find an LCD phone with a better looking display, at any price. Contrast, color volume and brightness are much more important. Resolution difference is only noticeable if you really look for it, and only in things like text. In reality, it’s not a big deal and I’d take Apple’s LCD over any 500ppi Android screen, tbh. At the same time, it is more battery efficient.
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Have a Moto g6 plus with 1080p display and my former phone an iPhone 8 looked better to look at. Apples LCDs are quality. I did see a difference in YouTube videos though,1080p does look better.

Don’t want to diminish the Moto screen, but exactly this. A resolution becomes less important after 300ppi. A good screen is defined by wide-color, good contrast, high peak brightness, advanced capabilities like True Tone, etc.

 

[keeper]

I keep looking for me it’s a mid range xs max at £1249 against mid XR at £799.

£450 saving on something I’ll just read the news on at work use Twitter etc.
Not really bothered about the camera, wear glasses so might not see the screen difference, it’s major use will be CarPlay and audible which don’t rely on the screen, and I’ll be more happy to wrap it up and take it out on my mountain bike.

I was all MAX as it’s about the same size as my 6S Plus, but not sure now, it’s just a numbers game on screen res against a good saving on cost.

I’ll have to look at one in the flesh.

 

[Nexus One]

The iPhone 8 had the same SoC and main rear camera as the iPhone X but went for $699. Nobody complained.

The iPhone XR is only $50 more than the 8 from a year ago and people are now complaining about that display. LOL!

Whatever fits these haters' narratives. Probably won't matter anymore once ProMotion is finally on the iPhone 11.

I find these 2018 iPhones to be a one-year holdover until ProMotion and USB-C arrives. No point going all-in on them unless you enjoy p*$$ing away money.

Only using the XR as a holdover. I'm #TeamPixel. Once the idiots in Google's team can finally get it right with phone design, I'll be moving back to them.

The red XR is just something I will flaunt for a year because that's what many Apple buyers do. They buy it for LOOKS. Then I'll sell it off in a year to get a Pixel 4.

 

[thadoggfather]

The resolution is fine. It’s definitely not “greed”, it’s a way to keep the cost down and battery life up. OLEDs need a higher resolution to look good (read below), but this is a smart and good decision on Apple’s part.

After 300ppi, contrast, colors and brightness become much more important, and yet it’s harder to market these things for some reason - so some manufacturers (and people) focus on resolution. OLED phones (iOS and Android) use Pentile subpixel arrangements which result in a lower-res looking screens than LCDs with the same resolution - this is why they need even higher ppi to look good. At the end, iPhone X/XS will look sharper than an iPhone XR/7/8 but not as much as it seems on paper.

It’s perfectly fine, really. No one should choose the XS over XR because of the resolution. Better OLED contrast? Maybe - if that is important to you. But resolution? No.

I agree with you mostly and you’re largely restating what I did — I talked about pentile submatrix layout. And with any screen many other characteristics of the panel quality matter a lot... some more than resolution . And 264ppi on iPad even with my face against it isn’t all that bad.

But lower res was not for battery life — that’s a side effect of cheapness.

Apple barely even mentioned as an aside it gets 1.5 more hours than 8plus. 8plus gets superior battery to x. So if XS is 30 minutes more than X (which Schiller made a big deal out of) because of “customer demand” , why wouldn’t he have been doing cartwheels equally when talking about XR? Modesty?

Or a missed opportunity presentation wise?

Or a side effect of cheapness. SE battery life is beast too. I’m sure Apple didn’t intentionally give a budget 4” device better battery than some of theirs flagships?

 

[1050792]

You can’t find an LCD phone with a better looking display, at any price. Contrast, color volume and brightness are much more important. Resolution difference is only noticeable if you really look for it, and only in things like text. In reality, it’s not a big deal and I’d take Apple’s LCD over any 500ppi Android screen, tbh. At the same time, it is more battery efficient.
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Don’t want to diminish the Moto screen, but exactly this. A resolution becomes less important after 300ppi. A good screen is defined by wide-color, good contrast, high peak brightness, advanced capabilities like True Tone, etc.

Talking about OLED since 99% of Android phones come with it.

 

[ultravegeta1981]

You can’t find an LCD phone with a better looking display, at any price. Contrast, color volume and brightness are much more important. Resolution difference is only noticeable if you really look for it, and only in things like text. In reality, it’s not a big deal and I’d take Apple’s LCD over any 500ppi Android screen, tbh. At the same time, it is more battery efficient.
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Don’t want to diminish the Moto screen, but exactly this. A resolution becomes less important after 300ppi. A good screen is defined by wide-color, good contrast, high peak brightness, advanced capabilities like True Tone, etc.

True that sir. Can't wait to get back an iPhone 8 or XR as my eyes can't take OLED for too long unfortunately!

 

[kazmac]

Only my eyes can be the true judge of the XR screen. If it causes no squinting or strain etc. and if I can get one cheaper than retail, I will see then. Lower PPI than my 7+ is...

 

[PBz]

There will always be those who will tell you until they are blue in the face that the difference between an iPhone 8, and iPhone 8 plus screens (for example) is night and day. I cannot say they are lying. Perhaps that is what their eyes see. I know for me, I had both sized phones each of the last 4 years and side by side, no matter the picture, video, website, or any other comparison I did....my eyes could not discern the difference (and yes, my vision is slightly better than 20/20). Could Apple have given it more pixels per inch? Sure. But they feel the screen is great and it probably is. I am put off by the whole 'liquid retina' label. Another marketing gimmick that they will use to try and lure in those who are not tech savvy. There will be people quick to point out that android phones with an even cheaper price point exist with 1080p screens. What matters is how the screen looks to the person making the purchase. The rest of the spec talk is just another d*** measuring contest.

Non-video I agree.
Watching videos I can absolutely tell a difference. I wanted to go to the 8 from 8 Plus but watching videos I was not willing to give up the clarity.