Internet Explorer 9 killing HTML5, and Safari...

[Mike225]

...and Safari 5... Not so much.


Killing should be taken in a positive manner BTW

http://test.w3.org/html/tests/reporting/report.htm

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Apple's big push for HTML5 and they are doing the worse out the lot.
That makes them look like even more all talk.

 

[Nermal]

I believe that Microsoft submitted most of those test cases to the W3C, so take the results with a grain of salt.

 

[Stella]

Looks like W3C did the actual testing,
"The World Wide Web Consortium -- you know, the team responsible for certifying and standardizing HTML5 -- has put together its first table of official conformance test results, giving us an idea of how well prepared each of the most popular browsers is for the oncoming web standards revolution."

Engadget article -
http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/02/w3c-tests-html5-browser-compatibility-crowns-ie9-the-champ/

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I believe that Microsoft submitted most of those test cases to the W3C, so take the results with a grain of salt.

not matter how you cut it Safari being dead last by a fair margin speak volumes about how Apple is all talk and no action. All the other browsers are doing a lot better than Safari.

So much for the so call being HTML5 push from Apple. Clearly they are all talk.

 

[Consultant]

not matter how you cut it Safari being dead last by a fair margin speak volumes about how Apple is all talk and no action. All the other browsers are doing a lot better than Safari.

So much for the so call being HTML5 push from Apple. Clearly they are all talk.

Obviously someone isn't paying attention to how iOS and mobile safari is changing the world.

 

[BornAgainMac]

I thought Safari passed this test at 100% a long time ago with Safari 4. What happened?

 

[KnightWRX]

I thought Safari passed this test at 100% a long time ago with Safari 4. What happened?

Why would you think that ? HTML5 is a moving target, not a set standard. How can a browser released long ago support something that's still evolving and changing to this day ?

 

[Rodimus Prime]

I thought Safari passed this test at 100% a long time ago with Safari 4. What happened?

I think apple released those number and it was among a very limit range of test (basically making sure it passed.)

 

[*LTD*]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/8B117)

Apparently W3C members are disclaiming the whole thing as mostly meaningless.

AI's running the story. Might get posted here too.

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_suggesting_win_for_internet_explorer_9.html

 

[Stella]

Completely mismanaged by W3C, this article from AppleInsider has more details:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_suggesting_win_for_internet_explorer_9.html

 

[lucasgladding]

not matter how you cut it Safari being dead last by a fair margin speak volumes about how Apple is all talk and no action. All the other browsers are doing a lot better than Safari.

So much for the so call being HTML5 push from Apple. Clearly they are all talk.

Care to ammend that statement? Follow the same link and re-read the results now that they have been updated for the latest WebKit build.

http://test.w3.org/html/tests/reporting/report.htm

These results are not representative of the work going into HTML5-"compliance". The test size is - as W3C states on the page - way too small, and is biased towards whoever wrote the individual tests.

 

[lucasgladding]

not matter how you cut it Safari being dead last by a fair margin speak volumes about how Apple is all talk and no action. All the other browsers are doing a lot better than Safari.

So much for the so call being HTML5 push from Apple. Clearly they are all talk.

How do you figure that? The tests from Microsoft were written as they developed IE. I'm not suggesting they fixed the tests, just that IE was developed so that it could pass THESE tests. With another few thousand tests, the results might have been very different.

If I wrote some trivia questions for myself based on things I know or am trying to learn, I would expect to do well on that test.

 

[Mike225]

How do you figure that? The tests from Microsoft were written as they developed IE. I'm not suggesting they fixed the tests, just that IE was developed so that it could pass THESE tests. With another few thousand tests, the results might have been very different.

If I wrote some trivia questions for myself based on things I know or am trying to learn, I would expect to do well on that test.

True, but there's still 5 people taking your "test" and, as it stands, Apple is the one wearing the dunce hat.

 

[Bernard SG]

Is that Safari running on Mac OS X or Windows?
(On a side note, I wonder why does Apple bother porting Safari to Windows...)

 

[Meconio]

not matter how you cut it Safari being dead last by a fair margin speak volumes about how Apple is all talk and no action. All the other browsers are doing a lot better than Safari.

So much for the so call being HTML5 push from Apple. Clearly they are all talk.

Since the evolution is on going, they will wait until there is something to actually offer to the public, they like to put stuff that work.
In my opinion the resistance from the websites to spend money in upgrading their sites is probably the most crippling factor in wider adoption and therefore faster development.

 

[lucasgladding]

True, but there's still 5 people taking your "test" and, as it stands, Apple is the one wearing the dunce hat.

Actually, they are in a very close second place. My point was: my test is meaningless to anyone but myself.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

How do you figure that? The tests from Microsoft were written as they developed IE. I'm not suggesting they fixed the tests, just that IE was developed so that it could pass THESE tests. With another few thousand tests, the results might have been very different.

If I wrote some trivia questions for myself based on things I know or am trying to learn, I would expect to do well on that test.

5 browsers. Even taken out IE safari is dead last by a good margen

Actually, they are in a very close second place. My point was: my test is meaningless to anyone but myself.

Where the hell are you getting that from. On those test they only get a close 2nd to IE in Canvas. Everything else they are dead last by a fair margin.

 

[lucasgladding]

Where the hell are you getting that from. On those test they only get a close 2nd to IE in Canvas. Everything else they are dead last by a fair margin.

Try following the original link again. W3C has updated the tests for WebKit nightly, which represents where Apple (and everyone else working on WebKit) is more recently.

 

[NT1440]

The web isn't expected to have a fully finalized HTML 5 standard implemented until 2020, any testing at this point is merely a selection of given aspects and seeing who supports those specific sections best.

In short, cherry picking simply for the sake of cherry picking.

 

[lucasgladding]

The web isn't expected to have a fully finalized HTML 5 standard implemented until 2020, any testing at this point is merely a selection of given aspects and seeing who supports those specific sections best.

In short, cherry picking simply for the sake of cherry picking.

That's true, but web developers are going to start using features as they become widely-supported across popular browsers. Published tests will facilitate similar implementations.

I think Apple is just as guilty as Microsoft when it comes to selectively testing to promote their HTML5 efforts, but that doesn't mean both companies aren't working hard on supporting new technologies.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

That's true, but web developers are going to start using features as they become widely-supported across popular browsers. Published tests will facilitate similar implementations.

I think Apple is just as guilty as Microsoft when it comes to selectively testing to promote their HTML5 efforts, but that doesn't mean both companies aren't working hard on supporting new technologies.

As it stands I see MS doing a much better job at supporting open standards.
I see Apple doing a ton of talk but their actions say other wise. Take for example the live web casting of their events. Those being limited to ONLY latest version of their OS yet they claim it is a free open standard. I have read that apple has some iOS only metacode people can use for their web sites. That info was posted by some people on these boards who are more into web developmental that I am.

As odd as it sounds I trust MS in being open much more than Apple and I do not trust MS that much.

 

[lucasgladding]

As it stands I see MS doing a much better job at supporting open standards.
I see Apple doing a ton of talk but their actions say other wise. Take for example the live web casting of their events. Those being limited to ONLY latest version of their OS yet they claim it is a free open standard. I have read that apple has some iOS only metacode people can use for their web sites. That info was posted by some people on these boards who are more into web developmental that I am.

As odd as it sounds I trust MS in being open much more than Apple and I do not trust MS that much.

You may be right, but I'm still skeptical about Microsoft. IE6 and IE7 cause problems for me daily, and it will take some time to get over that. Things like different box models, a 31-stylesheet-limit, sketchy javascript support, etc, have been an issue for years.

I think a 3rd party FaceTime client would go a long way in showing how open Apple is willing to be. I'm not sure that HTML5 alone is the best way to measure openness, though that seems to be the only measurement these days.

 

[Mike225]

As it stands I see MS doing a much better job at supporting open standards.
I see Apple doing a ton of talk but their actions say other wise. Take for example the live web casting of their events. Those being limited to ONLY latest version of their OS yet they claim it is a free open standard. I have read that apple has some iOS only metacode people can use for their web sites. That info was posted by some people on these boards who are more into web developmental that I am.

As odd as it sounds I trust MS in being open much more than Apple and I do not trust MS that much.

Like when i tried to watch the keynote and didnt have Quicktime

I had to watch it on my iPhone, lol.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

You may be right, but I'm still skeptical about Microsoft. IE6 and IE7 cause problems for me daily, and it will take some time to get over that. Things like different box models, a 31-stylesheet-limit, sketchy javascript support, etc, have been an issue for years.

I think a 3rd party FaceTime client would go a long way in showing how open Apple is willing to be. I'm not sure that HTML5 alone is the best way to measure openness, though that seems to be the only measurement these days.

well you are looking at IE6 MS was still a sleeping gaint and it control nearly 90% of the browser market share so it was a mess. Firefox comes around in 2003- 2004 and pushes out 0.9 and it really takes off. The geeks convert pretty quickly and start getting their friends to convert. By the time 1.0 was up and running I had a lot of my non computer friends using firefox. I end up converting my parents because I installed it on their computer and IE6 was causing my mom problems and she just opened it up and love it. Never going back.

Firefox woke the sleep giant MS up in terms of browsers. IE7 was to far along for them to do much to it but they did add in some nice features by default (tab browsing spell checker). IE 8 is a heck of a lot better and I have played with IE9 and it is pretty nice but IE is still the 3rd on my list of browsers for my windows 7 computer. Safari is dead last by a long shot in windows.

Point is MS woke up and finally got their act together by IE8 and IE9 is pretty nice but for me Chrome and Firefox are what I use.