Internet Explorer 9 killing HTML5, and Safari...

[Bernard SG]

Like when i tried to watch the keynote and didnt have Quicktime

I had to watch it on my iPhone, lol.

Quicktime is free...
Btw, it's weird that, having an iPhone, you don't have Quicktime installed on your comp.

 

[Mike225]

Quicktime is free...
Btw, it's weird that, having an iPhone, you don't have Quicktime installed on your comp.

It is huh, but this computer is not the one I use to sync my iPhone now that I switched to Android and got a new computer.

BTW Flash and Silverlight are also free.

 

[Bernard SG]

It is huh, but this computer is not the one I use to sync my iPhone now that I switched to Android and got a new computer.

BTW Flash and Silverlight are also free.

Indeed, so it's totally your choice to have or not to have QT, Flash, SL or Java on your comp. However, you make it sound like a heinous crime against you that Apple streams its keynote using QT.

 

[Mike225]

Indeed, so it's totally your choice to have or not to have QT, Flash, SL or Java on your comp. However, you make it sound like a heinous crime against you that Apple streams its keynote using QT.

I actually like Flash and Silverlight. HTML5 has been a very poor experience for me so far.

What I don't like is Apple being a hypocrite, denouncing external plugins like Flash/Silverlight, and requiring Quicktime to view their own videos. HTML5 is about not needing plugins.

 

[SidBala]

Nice to see MS finally putting some effort into their work. They have done an excellent job with Windows 7. Let us hope they show the same level of excellence for IE9 and whatever else might come out of Redmond in the near future.

 

[Bernard SG]

What I don't like is Apple being a hypocrite, denouncing external plugins like Flash/Silverlight, and requiring Quicktime to view their own videos. HTML5 is about not needing plugins.

About Apple "denouncing Silverlight" : does this account for a strong denunciation?
Anyway, I only once encountered a case of a webpage that required Silverlight - on microsoft.com . And guess what: Silverlight was not even pre-installed on my Windows laptop.

That sure would be great to move to HTML5, but isn't that you guys, the anti-Apple crowd who criticize Apple's supporting of HTML5 because it is not mature yet? At this time, live video streaming still seems to be a little bit problematic if you want to reach the largest audience possible.

In all honesty, Quicktime on Windows is not the prettiest experience, especially with older machines with lower horsepower and especially on startup. However, it's not being a hog like Flash, and it works.

My prediction, anyhow, is that QT is going to die quietly within years, but back when it first appeared, it was a hell of a product.

 

[Mike225]

About Apple "denouncing Silverlight" : does this account for a strong denunciation?
Anyway, I only once encountered a case of a webpage that required Silverlight - on microsoft.com . And guess what: Silverlight was not even pre-installed on my Windows laptop.

That sure would be great to move to HTML5, but isn't that you guys, the anti-Apple crowd who criticize Apple's supporting of HTML5 because it is not mature yet? At this time, live video streaming still seems to be a little bit problematic if you want to reach the largest audience possible.

In all honesty, Quicktime on Windows is not the prettiest experience, especially with older machines with lower horsepower and especially on startup. However, it's not being a hog like Flash, and it works.

My prediction, anyhow, is that QT is going to die quietly within years, but back when it first appeared, it was a hell of a product.

Simply what Im saying is Steve Jobs wants Flash to die, (With HTML5 replacing it), but that Flash isn't ready to die because HTML5 still isnt ready.

My comment about Quicktime was showing that even Apple is still relying on external programs for video when HTML5 is supposed to be all about a pure browser experience.

 

[Bernard SG]

Simply what Im saying is Steve Jobs wants Flash to die, (With HTML5 replacing it), but that Flash isn't ready to die because HTML5 still isnt ready.

My comment about Quicktime was showing that even Apple is still relying on external programs for video when HTML5 is supposed to be all about a pure browser experience.

I got your argumentation, but I think it's flawed by your blind opposition to "the Steve".
The fundamental problem is not that Flash needs a plugin, it is that Flash is crap. Here, I said it.
Regardless of the platform, Flash sacrifices performance and stability for the sake of being, well, "flashy". I'm not savvy enough to assess whether that could be fixed, but the fact is that it isn't fixed as of now, and I'm not feeling that it's ever gonna be fixed.
Flash is virtually dead (QT as well, and Silverlight, and web-Java). Unfortunately HTML5 isn't quite ready yet; but it's moving forward at an increasing pace. Even Adobe acknowledges this by offering that lousy compromise of translating Flash into HTML5.

 

[Mike225]

I got your argumentation, but I think it's flawed by your blind opposition to "the Steve".
The fundamental problem is not that Flash needs a plugin, it is that Flash is crap. Here, I said it.
Regardless of the platform, Flash sacrifices performance and stability for the sake of being, well, "flashy". I'm not savvy enough to assess whether that could be fixed, but the fact is that it isn't fixed as of now, and I'm not feeling that it's ever gonna be fixed.
Flash is virtually dead (QT as well, and Silverlight, and web-Java). Unfortunately HTML5 isn't quite ready yet; but it's moving forward at an increasing pace. Even Adobe acknowledges this by offering that lousy compromise of translating Flash into HTML5.

I think our issue is that we've had opposite experiences with Flash. I dont see Flash as crap. I see HTML 5 as the future of video playback on the web, but I think it was premature to dump Flash so early.

At this point it seems web video is mostly:
Flash
Silverlight
HTML5


Flash works fine, but isnt optimal
Silverlight is great, but isn't widely adopted
HTML5 is too messy with all these different browsers/codecs/implementations and I have had more bad experiences with it than good.

Adobe actually has some big pans for Flash it seems with 3D hardware acceleration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szaXvTsoeVs

 

[Dolorian]

Quite convenient that IE has a long list of "No Result" test which browsers like Chrome have as "Fail"...that very much ruins the results of this "test".