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I would disagree, for me the measure of a browser is how sensitively it treats your mark-up and code both from the point of view of a user and a designer. Safari is a bit too forgiving, and while that's probably good for the end-user, I often find that certain mark up works in Safari fine, and then not in FF, or Opera, or IE or whatever, and then when I check the code I find that actually I've made mistakes or written invalid markup. If you use Safari as your main testing browser you'll find that it lets you get away with all sorts of things that other browsers won't tolerate, and that isn't in the spirit of web standards.

FireFox, however, is too bloated and slow and un-mac like. I would argue Camino is better, for example, for the average user. And Safari is clearly faster, and way more standards compliant than IE, so you can hardly put them in the same category.
 
FireFox, however, is too bloated and slow and un-mac like. I would argue Camino is better, for example, for the average user. And Safari is clearly faster, and way more standards compliant than IE, so you can hardly put them in the same category.

But Firefox is a genuine cross-platform (in the scope of mac/windows anyway) browser, and that's the best way to go for the designer. It's very easy for us here on Macrumors to forget that we are in a tiny minority, and like or not we need our sites to work properly on PCs running IE on windows.

When I say I'd offer a link to FF on my site, I'm not advocating a 'best viewed in FF' link, more just an indicator that something else is available, free, and more pleasant for everyone. The best scenario we can hope for is that Firefox or something equally better than IE will gain the majority share, and we can all spend less time d*cking around with our code.
 
But Firefox is a genuine cross-platform (in the scope of mac/windows anyway) browser, and that's the best way to go for the designer. It's very easy for us here on Macrumors to forget that we are in a tiny minority, and like or not we need our sites to work properly on PCs running IE on windows.

When I say I'd offer a link to FF on my site, I'm not advocating a 'best viewed in FF' link, more just an indicator that something else is available, free, and more pleasant for everyone. The best scenario we can hope for is that Firefox or something equally better than IE will gain the majority share, and we can all spend less time d*cking around with our code.

I would suggest using one of those fancy scripts to detect whether a user is using IE or not, and then show the link in the appropriate case.
 
Erm...we all hate IE. Even my mum (who is lost without the big blue 'e' knows IE sucks. We now use Opera on the family PC (only because we can't use Safari :eek: ). Good ridance.
 
I fully understand all the gripes about IE. There has been countless times when I've finished developing a site, then I open up IE on my Windows box to see all the ugly positioning errors.

I can say that after correcting IE issues on websites MANY times, I am now much faster with it. I usually develop about one site per month (sometimes 2 or 3) - I used to have to tack on a day or two at the end for sorting out the IE problems, but lately, I find I only need an hour or two, and all IE probs are solved. My point is that with initial time and effort, these problems later become easier and faster to solve.
 
do you even get the point of this thread being in the Web Dev. forum?

if you want to "force" people to use Firefox to use/visit your site, then you are no better than someone who "forces" someone to use MSIE.

i'm sorry, that post completely lost me.

my post also seemed to lose you. it was my comment on the nightmare that is IE7. i am doing a huge web project right now, and have had constant nightmares along the way because of IE6 & 7.

i agree with the thread in general, and that link was my summary of my experiences - 'get firefox'.

where did this comment come from about me forcing people to use firefox? i can't imagine how my previous (admittedly very wordy) post incinuated that i forced people one way or another.

and yes i do understand why this is in the webdev forum. do you understand what a lighthearted post is?
 
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