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0000757

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It feels like Apple has taken a step backwards with iOS 10.1, offering an iOS6-esuqe update style (aka, adding nothing).

So far, it's looking like the ONLY thing that 10.1 is adding the the portrait mode that we already knew about. Nothing else. That's very disappointing, especially for non-7 Plus owners (which when you factor in the amount of iOS 10 devices, is a very large amount).

Apple has previous done some very great stuff with their .X updates. The entire lifespan of iOS 9 showed that they were dedicated to continuing to add new features and functionality with every .X update. This is seen best with 9.1 with 150+ new emoji, and 9.3, which added Password notes, Night Shift, and a load of education features.

iOS 7.1 updated the UX design. 4.2-3 and 8.1 added nice small visual changes, and some small feature additions. 3.1 and 5.1 changed the system in noticeable ways (in terms of functionality), and heck 8.2 and 8.4 added an entire new SERVICE and new apps.

The fact that 10.1 adds literally nothing to non 7+ owners makes it feel more like it should be iOS 10.0.2, and a build that's only for the 7+, not a whole version upgrade.

TL;DR: Apple has historically used the .X upgrades to introduce multiple new features and system changes that can apply to all devices, not one feature that only one device benefits from.
 

0000757

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What? The iphone 7 plus has been out for 5 days. They are quickly adding a feature promised at the 9/8 event. A new feature typically has gotten a .x update.

Your gripe makes no sense. It will not be the only iOS10 beta by any stretch

My gripe makes perfect sense. Why call it a .X update? It would make more sense for it to be a .x.x update. .X updates have historically been feature and bug fix packed, not something that adds one feature to one device.
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So, in the past, they've struggled to get all the features finished on time and had to delay some of them a few weeks.

And now they've gotten their act together and are getting most features included on the launch of the new phones.

And you view this as a bad change?

You're missing the point. It should be a .x.x update, and save the big version numbers for when they add the big universal features and system changes. Otherwise what do I get out of updating to 10.1?
 

0000757

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The fact that this was introduced in a .1 update upsets you is beyond my comprehension.

Because .1 (and .2 and .3 and so on) have always had documented big bug fixes and new features for (almost) everyone. Not a single feature for one device, and nothing else. Why call it a .X update? Why even make it for everyone but the 7+ it that's all it's adding/changing?

How many features or bug fixes do you require for it to be a .X update? How few for it to only qualify as .X.X?

Well more than 1 feature for 1 device.
 

C DM

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My gripe makes perfect sense. Why call it a .X update? It would make more sense for it to be a .x.x update. .X updates have historically been feature and bug fix packed, not something that adds one feature to one device.
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You're missing the point. It should be a .x.x update, and save the big version numbers for when they add the big universal features and system changes. Otherwise what do I get out of updating to 10.1?
Actually, historically there wasn't that much new to a lot of x.y updates. It kind of started picking up more recently, especially with iOS 9, but even then not every 9.x update really had that much obvious new stuff as I recall (meaning things beyond some tweaks here and there).

Furthermore, in this case this is just beta 1, so it's likely there will be more to it all by the time it comes out, perhaps not more large new features, but more tweaks, improvements, bug fixes, etc. Then there's also the possibility of Apple shifting more and more to having more x.y updates for each major version (as we've seen with iOS 8 and 9), which means that some of them might have less changes in them than others given that over a period of the lifespan of an iOS version there will be quite a few of them to add up to a good amount of new and improved things in that iOS version overall.
 

stulaw11

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My gripe makes perfect sense. Why call it a .X update? It would make more sense for it to be a .x.x update. .X updates have historically been feature and bug fix packed, not something that adds one feature to one device.
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You're missing the point. It should be a .x.x update, and save the big version numbers for when they add the big universal features and system changes. Otherwise what do I get out of updating to 10.1?

Email Tim Cook and ask them to call it 10.0.2 to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside have correct numbering.

What a waste of forum space this gripe is. Who gives 2 flying what number it is. It could be 10.29 for all anyone cares.
 

0000757

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Amazed at how many people missed the point of the topic but just resulted in personally attacking me. Really speaks to how toxic people can be.

By the way, OCD and Autism are not insults and have nothing to do with version numbers.
 

skwood

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Out of interest what did 9.1 introduce? I forget...

EDIT: Emojis, Apple News in UK and a live photos improvement.

My guess is that we'll see more minor features/tweaks/bug fixes over the course of 10.1 beta before release.
 

jsawy3r

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Important to not forget that .x updates coincide with new iPads.

Every new iPad has been released alongside a new .x (as far as I can recall).

Never know what the end game is.

Sounds like some people on this thread need a Xany, haha.
 

Ternary

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If this keeps up, let's have a poll: how many .x releases do you think iOS 10 is going to have?
 

mizxco

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I believe this 10.1 update is just a supplement for the promised features missing in 10.0, not the traditional .X updates that brings updates.

The true improvement update will come in a month or two, after they have received actual customer feedback from the masses.
 

C DM

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Ultimately it mostly comes down to there being a noticeable new feature--if there is something like that then it wouldn't really be part of a typical bug fix x.y.z type of update and would need at least a minor x.y type of update.
 

LoveToMacRumors

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It feels like Apple has taken a step backwards with iOS 10.1, offering an iOS6-esuqe update style (aka, adding nothing).

So far, it's looking like the ONLY thing that 10.1 is adding the the portrait mode that we already knew about. Nothing else. That's very disappointing, especially for non-7 Plus owners (which when you factor in the amount of iOS 10 devices, is a very large amount).

Apple has previous done some very great stuff with their .X updates. The entire lifespan of iOS 9 showed that they were dedicated to continuing to add new features and functionality with every .X update. This is seen best with 9.1 with 150+ new emoji, and 9.3, which added Password notes, Night Shift, and a load of education features.

iOS 7.1 updated the UX design. 4.2-3 and 8.1 added nice small visual changes, and some small feature additions. 3.1 and 5.1 changed the system in noticeable ways (in terms of functionality), and heck 8.2 and 8.4 added an entire new SERVICE and new apps.

The fact that 10.1 adds literally nothing to non 7+ owners makes it feel more like it should be iOS 10.0.2, and a build that's only for the 7+, not a whole version upgrade.

TL;DR: Apple has historically used the .X upgrades to introduce multiple new features and system changes that can apply to all devices, not one feature that only one device benefits from.
Agree, the update is clearly a 10.0.2 for most users, but because it has that single feature for the 7 Plus, Apple had to make it a 10.1
 
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stulaw11

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Agree, the update is clearly a 10.0.2 for most users, but because it has that single feature for the 7 Plus, Apple had to make it a 10.1

It still doesnt matter what number they assign it; irrelevant in the grand scheme. Idk why it matters if its 10.0.2, 10.1 or 10.89. The numbering means nothing.

I think this thread killed brain cells its no nonsensical.
 

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Ultimately it mostly comes down to there being a noticeable new feature--if there is something like that then it wouldn't really be part of a typical bug fix x.y.z type of update and would need at least a minor x.y type of update.
Yep. According to the concept of semantic versioning, version numbers are major.minor.patch, where you increment the patch level for bug fixes but the minor version for new functionality. This is new functionality so should have the minor (middle) version number incremented.

That document is speaking more along the lines of APIs but I can see the same concepts being used for iOS as a whole.
 
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