iPhone iOS 11 on a 5S. Just don’t do it!

[Peter Franks]

Ah gottya. When viewing these forums on the 5S, you tend to miss things. Obviously need a bigger screen.

Another glitch is the phone icon is showing a number on it and all columns have been viewed, and all messages listened to, but it doesn’t clear.

 

[I7guy]

And yet despite all of your posts the people with he 7 and 5s are never ever going to get back their performance of iOS 10. This is the reality of it.

As far as iPhone 8 goes, that wa s before I realised that the iPhone 8 was a mid range phone.
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I ignored that post in that thread because I thought you were talking about the display issues on the XL which were not there on the Pixel 2. Obviously the software on both phones have bugs but having used it it’s definitely a better optimised OS than iOS 11. Just ruined by a sub par display.

My (anecdotal experience) 5s runs faster in iOS 11 than iOS 10. So yeah, why would I want the performance of a slower iOS 10?

 

[Radon87000]

My (anecdotal experience) 5s runs faster in iOS 11 than iOS 10. So yeah, why would I want the performance of a slower iOS 10?

What about those of us with a slower device? We aren't entitled to the performance we paid for?

 

[I7guy]

What about those of us with a slower device? We aren't entitled to the performance we paid for?

I can’t speak for anybody but myself but I am satisfied overall with iOS 11.

 

[Radon87000]

I can’t speak for anybody but myself but I am satisfied overall with iOS 11.

It's ruined every device I upgraded.

 

[Feenician]

It's ruined every device I upgraded.

So, one then? And by ruined you mean “home button reacts the same as all other devices with a home button”?

 

[Sorig]

My (anecdotal experience) 5s runs faster in iOS 11 than iOS 10. So yeah, why would I want the performance of a slower iOS 10?

Alright. It's nice you're satisfied with your iPhone 5S on iOS 11 but it is a fact that iOS 11 IS slower than iOS 10 on the iPhone 5S. Animations are not as smooth as they were on iOS 10 and apps also take longer to open, especially third party apps. There are videos out there to prove this.
On iOS 10 you would get smooth 60fps animations when unlocking, pulling down notification center, etc. iOS 11 skips frames during animations, even scrolling is choppy now compared to iOS 10.

Your iOS 10 must have been faulty if iOS 11 runs better for you.

 

[C DM]

Alright. It's nice you're satisfied with your iPhone 5S on iOS 11 but it is a fact that iOS 11 IS slower than iOS 10 on the iPhone 5S. Animations are not as smooth as they were on iOS 10 and apps also take longer to open, especially third party apps. There are videos out there to prove this.
On iOS 10 you would get smooth 60fps animations when unlocking, pulling down notification center, etc. iOS 11 skips frames during animations, even scrolling is choppy now compared to iOS 10.

Your iOS 10 must have been faulty if iOS 11 runs better for you.

Perhaps then similarly some people's iOS 11 can be faulty as well as it might run much worse for them compared to a lot of others?

 

[Sorig]

Perhaps then similarly some people's iOS 11 can be faulty as well as it might run much worse for them compared to a lot of others?

Totally. That is run worse than iOS 11 already does on the 5S.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not all against iOS 11. iOS 11 is totally usable for me on my 5S. It just really isn't as smooth as iOS 10 was. That is a fact.

It's really no surprise. Every iPhone becomes slower after every new major iOS version. This is a well known trend and there's no denying this. iOS 9 was a bit faster than iOS 10 on the 5S too. Not claiming "planned obsolence" either. It's just obvious that the optimization for older devices is not top priority.

 

[C DM]

Totally. That is run worse than iOS 11 already does on the 5S.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not all against iOS 11. iOS 11 is totally usable for me on my 5S. It just really isn't as smooth as iOS 10 was. That is a fact.

It's really no surprise. Every iPhone becomes slower after every new major iOS version. This is a well known trend and there's no denying this. iOS 9 was a bit faster than iOS 10 on the 5S too. Not claiming "planned obsolence" either. It's just obvious that the optimization for older devices is not top priority.

Some--in particular out of those who usually claim that every release is worse and that Apple even does it on purpose basically--would argue that wasn't the case when it came to iOS 9 and 10 and that 10 was an improvement over 9.

 

[Sorig]

Some--in particular out of those who usually claim that every release is worse and that Apple even does it on purpose basically--would argue that wasn't the case when it came to iOS 9 and 10 and that 10 was an improvement over 9.

Yes, I'd say iOS 10 was pretty good and stable and would pick that over iOS 9 if given the choice.

But the general rule is that the final iOS Apple makes available for a device runs the slowest.

 

[Feenician]

Yes, I'd say iOS 10 was pretty good and stable and would pick that over iOS 9 if given the choice.

But the general rule is that the last iOS avaible for a device runs the slowest.

But iOS 10 was in fact not slower than 9, according to many, even those who usually denigrate updates. How does that fit in to the picture?

 

[Sorig]

But iOS 10 was in fact not slower than 9, according to many, even those who usually denigrate updates. How does that fit in to the picture?

Exception to the rule.

Take a look at the performance on the iPhone 3G on iOS 4, the iPhone 4 on iOS 7, etc. ALL run slower than one iOS behind.
The last major firmware Apple makes available for a given device slows it down. Which is what is happening here with the 5S.

 

[Infrared]

I turned on my 5S this morning (I turn it completely off at night). The battery reading was 83%. Within a couple of minutes it suddenly dropped to 58%. For the next 20 mins or so I was losing 1% per minute until it reached 39%. It’s been stuck at that 39% level for the last two hours, during which I’ve used the phone for about 30-40 mins for web browsing/words with friends/tapatalk and the rest is standby time.

I don’t know what state the battery is in, but the indicator behaviour is bizarre. It’s impossible to know what the true charge level is when it’s that erratic and the figure has even gone up on occasion without supplying additional charge!

Gnawing concerns about battery usage have prompted me to get refunds for a couple of apps I thought might be using the battery excessively. And when I go to the app store the first thing I think when I see any given app is “does this thing use much battery?”

This is no fun at all. People talk about problems with previous pre-11 iOS iterations, but I never experienced anything like this before. Glitches yes, bugs yes, but not this abnormal battery or battery indicator behaviour. This killing my enjoyment of iOS.

Anyway, having laboriously composed this overlong reply - some 15 mins of finger tapping - this is battery indicator:

Still stuck on 39%!

 

[Sorig]

I turned on my 5S this morning (I turn it completely off at night). The battery reading was 83%. Within a couple of minutes it suddenly dropped to 58%. For the next 20 mins or so I was losing 1% per minute until it reached 39%. It’s been stuck at that 39% level for the last two hours, during which I’ve used the phone for about 30-40 mins for web browsing/words with friends/tapatalk and the rest is standby time.

I don’t know what state the battery is in, but the indicator behaviour is bizarre. It’s impossible to know what the true charge level is when it’s that erratic and the figure has even gone up on occasion without supplying additional charge!

Gnawing concerns about battery usage have prompted me to get refunds for a couple of apps I thought might be using the battery excessively. And when I go to the app store the first thing I think when I see any given app is “does this thing use much battery?”

This is no fun at all. People talk about problems with previous pre-11 iOS iterations, but I never experienced anything like this before. Glitches yes, bugs yes, but not this abnormal battery or battery indicator behaviour. This killing my enjoyment of iOS.

Anyway, having laboriously composed this overlong reply - some 15 mins of finger tapping - this is battery indicator:

Still stuck on 39%!

queue the people who will say "but your battery might just happen to go bad exactly the same time as you updated to iOS 11!!".

On a serious note, how did you update to iOS 11? Itunes or OTA?
Restoring with iTunes fixed my battery issues on iOS 11.

 

[Feenician]

Exception to the rule.

Take a look at the performance on the iPhone 3G on iOS 4, the iPhone 4 on iOS 7, etc. ALL run slower than one iOS behind.
The last major firmware Apple makes available for a given device slows it down. Which is what is happening here with the 5S.

Ah, exception to the rule. Gotcha Planned obselence...

The fact is that these devices are approximately doubling in raw performance every year. There’s a choice to be made: restrict features and eye candy such that they don’t impact older devices (bearing in mind a one year old device is 0.5x, 2 year old 0.25x, 3 years .125x and so on) or to push on. This isn’t like PC/Mac where Intel have come to a standstill and barely push the needle annually. I think the 4-5 year support in that frame is remarkably good and massively outperforms the industry.

 

[Infrared]

queue the people who will say "but your battery might just happen to go bad exactly the same time as you updated to iOS 11!!".

On a serious note, how did you update to iOS 11? Itunes or OTA?
Restoring with iTunes fixed my battery issues on iOS 11.

To iOS 11.1 via iTunes. From that to 11.1.2 OTA. I haven’t noticed any difference between the two.

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I’ve been watching the battery indicator to see when it would drop from 39%, whilst using the phone continuously.

This was a little while after it first hit 39%:

And this the first fall thereafter:

So it’s about an hour between those two screenshots.

Since the drop to 38% it’s gone down another 4% in 5-7 mins. The phone’s feeling a bit warm all of a sudden. I’ve no idea why because I’m not doing anything now that I wasn’t doing when the indicator was stuck and the phone was cool. Certainly, I’m doing nothing you would expect to be especially taxing. This is a bit rubbish really.

 

[Sorig]

Ah, exception to the rule. Gotcha Planned obselence...

The fact is that these devices are approximately doubling in raw performance every year. There’s a choice to be made: restrict features and eye candy such that they don’t impact older devices (bearing in mind a one year old device is 0.5x, 2 year old 0.25x, 3 years .125x and so on) or to push on. This isn’t like PC/Mac where Intel have come to a standstill and barely push the needle annually. I think the 4-5 year support in that frame is remarkably good and massively outperforms the industry.

Yes exception to the rule. And I explicitly said I didn't think this was planned obsolence just a post before that. This is just a case of older hardware getting less optimization each year, which is to be expected.

The last major firmware Apple makes available for a given device slows it down. Intentional or not. This IS always the case.

I was just pointing out the fact that iOS 11 IS objectively slower than iOS 10 on the 5S.

 

[Infrared]

Yes exception to the rule. And I explicitly said I didn't think this was planned obsolence just a post before that. This is just a case of older hardware getting less optimization each year, which is to be expected.

There is a theory that iOS 11 is specially tweaked to work well on the X/8/7, say, but not for the 5S. How would we know that really?

What if, contrary to the above, iOS 11 is poorly optimised for *all* devices, but still runs OK on the newer ones because their hardware is super-powerful?

 

[addamas]

Check YouTube app, because it's making huge battery drain. At least on 10.2
If you force kill it, battery is fine. Lost 70% by night when video was stopped in the background. Maybe it's related to YouTube++ app maybe not.

 

[I7guy]

Alright. It's nice you're satisfied with your iPhone 5S on iOS 11 but it is a fact that iOS 11 IS slower than iOS 10 on the iPhone 5S. Animations are not as smooth as they were on iOS 10 and apps also take longer to open, especially third party apps. There are videos out there to prove this.
On iOS 10 you would get smooth 60fps animations when unlocking, pulling down notification center, etc. iOS 11 skips frames during animations, even scrolling is choppy now compared to iOS 10.

Your iOS 10 must have been faulty if iOS 11 runs better for you.

My 5s never had 60 fps animations on ios 10. It was pretty choppy at times and I ignored it. I never believed ios 10.3.3 was the pinnacle of IOS perfection. My 5s runs smoother on ios 11 and some things are faster; e.g. safari when you are reading web pages getting to the bottom of a long web page using Safari is almost instant now.

I do notice any difference in the speed of opening third party apps. Maybe if you measure it with a stop watch with a millisecond hand, but I'm being practical.

This on two 5s both with ios 10 faulty? I doubt it; I think people were ignoring or missing some interface glitches on the 5s using ios 10.3.3.
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It's ruined every device I upgraded.

Your definition of ruined is different from my definition. When something is ruined it is inoperable and beyond repair. Note the word inoperable, synonym is totalled for a car. Your devices are very operable and according to your past posts you're hyper-fixating on something that many people aren't experiencing.

 

[Radon87000]

But iOS 10 was in fact not slower than 9, according to many, even those who usually denigrate updates. How does that fit in to the picture?

iOS 10 was only faster than 9 on my iPhone 6 and iPad Air 2 but it still wasn’t as fast as iOS 8 on both devices. iOS 9 was an extremely horrible update for both devices just like iOS 11 currently is for older devices. What’s worse is that Apple advertised performance improvements as the hallmark of iOS 9 while reality was something different. It was so bad it could only go up from there. But it still wasn’t as fast as the release version.

Not to mention iOS 9 had already ruined my hardware at that point. I was charging my iPhone 6 thrice a day on iOS 9 and iOS 10 remedied that but it was too late as battery wore faster than usual and I got it replaced a few months ago.
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My 5s never had 60 fps animations on ios 10. It was pretty choppy at times and I ignored it. I never believed ios 10.3.3 was the pinnacle of IOS perfection. My 5s runs smoother on ios 11 and some things are faster; e.g. safari when you are reading web pages getting to the bottom of a long web page using Safari is almost instant now.

I do notice any difference in the speed of opening third party apps. Maybe if you measure it with a stop watch with a millisecond hand, but I'm being practical.

This on two 5s both with ios 10 faulty? I doubt it; I think people were ignoring or missing some interface glitches on the 5s using ios 10.3.3.
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Your definition of ruined is different from my definition. When something is ruined it is inoperable and beyond repair. Note the word inoperable, synonym is totalled for a car. Your devices are very operable and according to your past posts you're hyper-fixating on something that many people aren't experiencing.

Yes I am laser focused on the main issues with iOS 11. iOS 11 has and had the following problems which I am, did and will continue to fixate on

1.3DT stutter- Fixed
2. Home Button delay- Still not fixed
3. Battery Drain- Still not fixed
4. Some stuttering here and there in Widgets- Still not fixed

These 4 affect my usage the most and what I check for when a new beta drops. When I go from a phone which has a kickass battery which used to destroy Androids in battery life, and super fast performance to below average battery life and average performance I consider the device ruined because that's not the performance I purchased.

 

[C DM]

There is a theory that iOS 11 is specially tweaked to work well on the X/8/7, say, but not for the 5S. How would we know that really?

What if, contrary to the above, iOS 11 is poorly optimised for *all* devices, but still runs OK on the newer ones because their hardware is super-powerful?

There are people, in this thread even, that will argue that it's not only not optimized for the 7/7+ or even the 8/8+ but is actually purposefully crippled as there's a fraction of a second difference in the home button starting the close animation which ruins those devices.

 

[Radon87000]

Ah, exception to the rule. Gotcha Planned obselence...

The fact is that these devices are approximately doubling in raw performance every year. There’s a choice to be made: restrict features and eye candy such that they don’t impact older devices (bearing in mind a one year old device is 0.5x, 2 year old 0.25x, 3 years .125x and so on) or to push on. This isn’t like PC/Mac where Intel have come to a standstill and barely push the needle annually. I think the 4-5 year support in that frame is remarkably good and massively outperforms the industry.

Yes features and graphical effects must be reduced on older devices. That's called optimisation for performance vs features or at least enable downgrade support. As an example Windows 7 used to tell users that Aero effects need to be disabled because of weaker hardware.

This CPU BS is complete crap. The 7 Plus or the iPad Pro's A10 still has no issues running the vast amount of demanding apps on the market and it still outperforms the SD 835 by a huge amount. Running an OS should be child's play for it.
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There are people, in this thread even, that will argue that it's not only not optimized for the 7/7+ or even the 8/8+ but is actually purposefully crippled as there's a fraction of a second difference in the home button starting the close animation which ruins those devices.

Why will Apple optimise for the 8 and 8 Plus when you have customers worth $1299 to satisfy and the ones who are generating the max revenue? The X needs to be the fastest out of the lot. The home button needs to be slowed to show this. They did this with iPhone 6 where they just recently added certain 3DT features top the iPhone 6 in control centre and notifications with long press. In one of the betas iPhone 6 even had the two finger swipe for cursor movement which was later removed because it would negate one of the selling points of the 6S.

I wouldn't be surprised if they once again make the home button faster a few years down the line after they are no longer a threat to the X series just like what happened with the 6

There is also the fact that spending money optimising for legacy devices is throwing money away considering future iPhones are lacking home buttons. Apple's not going to waste time and money on legacy features

 

[I7guy]

iOS 10 was only faster than 9 on my iPhone 6 and iPad Air 2 but it still wasn’t as fast as iOS 8 on both devices. iOS 9 was an extremely horrible update for both devices just like iOS 11 currently is for older devices. What’s worse is that Apple advertised performance improvements as the hallmark of iOS 9 while reality was something different. It was so bad it could only go up from there. But it still wasn’t as fast as the release version.

Not to mention iOS 9 had already ruined my hardware at that point. I was charging my iPhone 6 thrice a day on iOS 9 and iOS 10 remedied that but it was too late as battery wore faster than usual and I got it replaced a few months ago.
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Yes I am laser focused on the main issues with iOS 11. iOS 11 has and had the following problems which I am, did and will continue to fixate on

1.3DT stutter- Fixed
2. Home Button delay- Still not fixed
3. Battery Drain- Still not fixed
4. Some stuttering here and there in Widgets- Still not fixed

These 4 affect my usage the most and what I check for when a new beta drops. When I go from a phone which has a kickass battery which used to destroy Androids in battery life, and super fast performance to below average battery life and average performance I consider the device ruined because that's not the performance I purchased.

As stated definitions of “ruined” are very different.