Okey Dokey, I'll come back here when it eventually happens, like it does to Android.
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iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
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I suggested switching and you didn’t like that because “reasons”. None of the reasons you posted make it impossible to switch. You just don’t want to switch.
Eventually all of your devices will EOL. At that point you will have to determine if you want want to continue with Apple devices. If you decide to continue then it’s in you, not any of us or Apple.
Finally, someone with integrity around here. It's not a ripoff, or a tax, it's payment for access to 2 Billion Users.....for pretty much free.
Hey, Shirasaki. Go be mad in your Third Party App Store where no dev makes money.
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Please sideload my AI app.
It transforms your photos into He-man so you can impress ladies on Tender Buns (the other app I want you to sideload).
I won’t tell you that it was banned from the App Store for stealing all your children’s data and selling it on the dark web.
Just trust me it is totally safe and we spend ad dollars on Reddit to make fools download it.
It transforms your photos into He-man so you can impress ladies on Tender Buns (the other app I want you to sideload).
I won’t tell you that it was banned from the App Store for stealing all your children’s data and selling it on the dark web.
Just trust me it is totally safe and we spend ad dollars on Reddit to make fools download it.
I know what side loading is, I was one of the first thousand beta testers for Saurik and Erica Sadun.
The reason they are cheaper on the Google Play Store is the ease of pirating software. Android is just way too open. They try their hardest, I guess?, to block it, but I could pirate Minecraft Android right now no issues other than stupid inconveniences. So, they have lowered the prices to encourage legal software purchasing.
If the cost to entry is low enough, piracy just evaporates (Steve's $0.99 a song argument). And it is proven at this point with streaming services reversing the tide of Artistic Intellectual Property Theft.
I am not dooming and glooming intelligent folks. They know that's not the issue for them. It's the 98.5% who are not technology literate who could think a Third Party Store somehow means better/cheaper/etc. What happens if they look for "Cheap Apple App Store" on Google? They then might get a lesser quality store.
Remember, Apple will have ZERO control over who wants to "side load" an App Store. They won't be able to approve, disapprove, etc. Sure, they'll be able to block certain app stores just because they own the OS and the App Store has proven to be untrustworthy. But then that's a whole other legal avenue for people to pile on their uneducated cries of monopoly, anti-trust, tyranny, etc (despite not holding a degree or experience in those fields). And then those same people continue to support the greatest Trust/Monopoly in history, government, bullying large corporations because they can't break encryption and feel small in their booties.
I am just worried because I am IT for about 45 people in my immediate family (cousins, uncles, aunts, grandparents, etc) and I use an MDM to keep their devices pretty much locked down. I am worried now because a few cousins have asked if I am gonna allow them to have the Third Party App Stores and I have said "maybe" and "depends".
And my job is pretty much that but for assisting CTO with tens of thousands of employees in our company MDM (which we already have let them know company devices will NOT be allowed outside of the Apple App Store).
Nerds and Geeks will be fine for the most part. It's Bob Coffee I am worried about.
The time you give people off the clock isn’t free. Do what I do: I give friends and family easy support for free. My free time is valuable. If you’re asking for my free time then you’re going to pay me a close approximation of what my employer pays me. That usually corrects people’s attitudes.
yes, the 14 is different by having no sim slot, but thats so apple can suck even more money out of the u.s by pairing up with version and at&t so they can charge you 500 dollars per month for Esim that you'll never get off your phone
and no duh they have different frequencies
but if you look at a iphone 5, there's no noticeable difference between eu and u.s models (other than the number one the back ofc)
huh, maybe i should import my next iphone from the eu if they have sim card slots still .-.
ROTFLMAO!!!!
Trying going back and reading some of Apple's marketing pitch on why breaching the walled garden is sooooo dangerous. If the best you can do is question the wording of my paraphrased words...
Did you find where Apple said that? Was it next to the fine print that says iOS has zero bugs?
Buying from the OEM store happens quite often. I know I do it. Some apps or setups require it. Some OEMs have great apps. You're right, Bixby sucks. I disabled it.
My point is that by definition regarding "side loading" these supplied OEM / MFG stores are considered 3rd party.
That makes the number in the Android world who use "side loading" much higher than the 10% or less number being quoted.
For the EU, I am not really sure just how far their direction requires. I also wonder just what direction the US version will try to push Apple and Google.
Pirating? Maybe back in the early days. I really don't see that being much of an issue. Unless you have something show different? I see more ripoff, aka "pirating" in the App Store than I find in Android sideloading unless I specifically look for it. Wouldn't trust either.
Like you I am "IT" for a few and also part of my day job - more in testing and bug fixing than users. unless Apple comes up with something totally different, I don't see their end product, after growing pains, being any different than Android.
Yeah, but the amount of times I get called over simple things just got old. I registered them all to Jamf, and when they need me to troubleshoot, I at least can do something from a distance before I have to physically drive to them or do it over the phone.
And I can now also install blockers for certain websites, apps, etc to just avoid the headache. Like my sister has kids and it is so much easier for me to keep them locked down and far away from the kids learning a passcode, etc to do what they want. It is so much easier than "install this, here's a walkthrough". I can just install the website blacklist/whitelist, and the kids can't get around it as the passcode is only known by me and it's 36 characters long stored on my computer 800+ miles away. No porn, no snapchat, no TikTok, no halfnaked instagram pics, etc.
lol, litterally type in any popular game, pc or not, and you will find 5758484 knockoffs on the appstore
I didn't respond to him because I knew someone like you would prove to him how easy pirating is on both devices, but especially Android.
Yeah, we have enough of those in the App Store. Play Store too.
Now an actual pirated version of ... Acrobat Pro is something else. not seeing that being driver for side loading.
I agree, they can highly illustrational.
...and said app review team will gladly hand out the key to that front door lock to any random person in Vermont, Venezuela oder Vietnam. Anyone that has an email address and $99 for a developer membership.
Hundreds of thousands of developers and their often malevolent creativity. And when they show up to bring any goods or packages into that house, day in and day out, they will scrutinise them with the sternness of a strict doorman in a residential building.
For comparison, how many people are having a key to your house?
They better do.
Though to their credit, they have already.
The notion that Apple doesn't already have quite strict inside fences already and suddenly would have to put them up doesn't reflect reality.
It's funny how you're mentioning all kinds of examples that either aren't really damaging anyone (except Apple's bottom line). You can choose to use crappy apps - or decline. That's it.
Even so. Going by personal experience. Working with thousands of people for the past 23 years. Most have no idea how any of this stuff works beyond going to the AppStore to get whatever it is they need/want. Have zero care about a 3rd party store option or what Side-loading means (even on their PC's). Complete obliviousness to any of this. Most of them are on iPhones. I would say 80% of them (Would have to check our MDM portal, but easily that much). The folks that use Android like to mess with their phones, but really have no idea what they are doing. Most of them purchase it because of price though.
The few folks that actually know what they are doing, enjoy it, and would really benifit from having Apple and Google being even more open. Are the techs (Tech savvy), and like 1% of the non-tech general public. Again, from the people I've dealt with.
It is literally why I have a job. Because most people have no idea what any of this means. They don't understand what these new rules will do for them. They don't see the 30 or 15% cut that Apple gets to run the store and provide the services to developers. And if you told them, they would say well "What do real stores charge its vendors?". And then when you told them (its higher). They would say, well it seems like a good deal to me. What are they complaining about? Are those vendors going to save me 30% buying direct? Does it matter for a .99c app? Or even a $9.99 app? It doesn't matter for most apps, as they are FREE? And Data Centers are not free, even for those free apps being served up by them.
My rant.
United. But there are borders with Canada and Mexico. And the EU is made up of independent countries. As long as you're a citizen of one of the member countries. You can go across boarders for work or to live no issue.
Not so in the US with its boardering countries. I can't just move to or work in Canada, even though my state is a bordering it.
I'll go on record and state that Apple has no desire to copy googles side-loading abilities. Even a little bit. 100% sure you will get a firm "NO" from Tim Cook and everyone else at Apple if asked to copy this feature in any way shape or form.
It's not that it is the devil. It works perfectly fine for a normal computer (Laptop, Desktop, Server). Many of us don't believe it works for a mobile phone. Many of us prefer the security of not only having apps, but not getting hacked (the easy way). From a security stand point, it is the most secure poster. Leave the minimum amount of entry points in as possible. Monitor it as best you can for anything out of the ordinary. Provide updates immediately for anything that gets past those entries and or fix the walls around if they are not. While allowing what you need/want in. Some may say it's like bubble wrapping your kids to go out and play. Ok, some of us are cool with that. Doesn't mean a car can't still run you over. But, most things you should be perfectly fine.
yes, but jailbreaking involved hacking vulnerabilities on the device or iOS.
And that fact that few ever use it on the most popular OS on mobile devices, kind of proves the point of why are we making Apple do it?
Or will they just demand Apple and Google block their stores from the EU altogether if alternatives don't take off?
My bet is on that one. If it proves to be little to no different than it is today. They will force Apple and Google to NOT have a store. Which will force users to pick from many or few other stores.
The EU won’t be happy until a phone boots with 0 apps installed and a user has to select any additional apps. All in the name of freedumb of course!
The security argument is not a strong one, and it needs to be noted that was clearly born in Apple's PR department, and not their security department. Anyone who believes this is more than a superficial public rebuttal is fooling themselves. If it were true the security of iOS would suffer if alternative sources of software were allowed, then macOS would be terribly unsafe. Given that the vast majority of software anyone might want is distributed by trusted sources already, there is truly no legitimate claim that side loading is a security hazard. It's entirely possible, and frankly tremendously easy, to remain digitally safe on the open internet.
Speaking of comprehension, we may as well acknowledge this logic applies to the EU itself. Apple is welcome to utilize its freedom of choice and decide not to supply EU markets. The company is not forced to do anything.