"provided how sandboxed ios is and the lack of exploits" with the current App Store.
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iOS 17 to Support App Sideloading to Comply With European Regulations
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The only app I'm missing is a WIFI scanner, which, ironically, have an Mac App Store one on my MBP...
No, that isn't the case, at all.
The author will need to manage payment providers, web hosting, advertising / promotions etc themselves. That costs $$$, it's not free.
They also lose potential revenue from users who won't work for apps outside the AppStore - and I'm guessing that will be a lot of users.
The current Appstore is right there on the phone, easy access.
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Could, but it's very unlikely.
Just say no to those. Nobody's forcing you to install anything from outside the official App Store.
I don't get the argument, at all. Just because you want to install everything from the App Store, doesn't mean that everybody should. And if some app doesn't list on the App Store and can only be side-loaded, just ignore it. There's no app you absolutely need, with perhaps the exception of the default stuff like the web browser, alarm etc.
I think when making the comparison with console games it's more relevant to look at how they're sold - iOS apps can only be sold through the App Store, so the 30% is effectively a retailers mark-up (and there's also no competition to drive down that mark-up).
However, if I want to buy an Xbox game, I can download it from the MS online store, but I also have the choice to buy the download code from third parties, or go to the shops and buy a hard copy of the game, with each of those sellers free to set their own margins. That's good for me because rather than pay £50 for the game on the MS Store, I can pay £40 for the download code on Amazon, or get the disc for £40 from GAME or wherever.
See this link: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2022...e-billion-in-fraudulent-transactions-in-2021/ Admittedly it could be Apple propaganda, but I doubt the numbers are completely made up.
Okay I'm tired of having to debunk this whataboutism claim from the anti-sideloading crowd.
Game consoles and smartphones/tablets are completely separate markets with different functions
Game consoles are designed for just that: Games, with occasional streaming services. That's it. You're not doing your taxes on a game console, you're not creating spreadsheets on a game console, you're not using social media apps on a game console. Game consoles are also a highly competitive market, versus smartphone operating systems that are a duopoly between Apple's iOS and Google's Android.
Not only that, but game consoles are sold at a loss so the 30% cut is actually necessary since game, DLC, and service subscription sales is how game consoles make their money. Apple doesn't sell their iPhones and iPads at a loss, they make the majority of their revenue on hardware sales, so the 30% cut is not as justified.
Oh and sidenote: Sony is in trouble over it's exclusivity deals as US and EU regulators are questioning them about it after it came to light they've been paying Square Enix to keep Final Fantasy 16 off of PC and Xbox, among other behind the scene deals designed to sabotage Xbox. There's a reason they don't use the "only on Playstation" label anymore.
Double sidenote: You can sideload on the Xbox
Nope. You could freely install software on a dumb phone. Back before I switched to iPhone with the 3GS I had a Nokia flip phone and it was loaded with games I downloaded off the web and put on a MicroSD.
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iPhone OS 1.0 through 1.1.5
You *might* get some stock applications to work… Might.
The next thing will be a Nigerian prince who just needs you to download the app to help him free up his money and princess. No money needs to be sent.
Apple could easily require that any apps that are to be side loaded MUST also be in the app store - I don't see that prohibited, but who knows. Sure, you can side load an app, but it also has to be available there. There will likely be a distinction between App Store apps and just plain non-App Store apps.
Apple will likely really lockdown side loaded apps - not from a features perspective, but an access to any non-public API perspective given that App Store apps aren't supposed to use them either.. Given the sandbox escapes there have been so far, this would be quite important. Think about the drive-by infections one could (can, probably) get on some devices, a drive by download of an app with a sandbox escape. Sure it is possible even with Safari, but much, much less likely since it had to have gone through the app store for an app.
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That does not really say that Apple can't make users sideload from another device, it just says that they cant make it so difficult that most people can't figure it out.
You have every right in the world to stop doing business with that developer if at any point you are no longer comfortable continuing that relationship. Most developers would be insane to do what you mention.
And those phones where usually full of java-based malware. More, even, than modern day "Android".
And what if, for example, Meta removed Whatsapp from the App Store and only offered it through the Meta SpyStore?
I wonder if just the EU version of IOS 17 will have this. If in the US hopefully there will be a setting to NOT ALLOW cause I don't want this at all and want a way to turn off the ability in case something accidentally gets by. Stupid IMO. If you want this capability then buy an android phone! Different cars have different features and people buy what they want for that feature. Why the government gets involved in this seems ridiculous.
You probably already know this, but jailbreaking uses known hardware and software security exploits to actually work.
It’s not that Apple *stops* Jailbreaking, but they patch all the security exploits that are used to make it happen.
Maybe you want a phone with known active security exploits, but I don’t.
Sideloading is a totally different thing.
Side note: does this mean tvOS gets sideloading too?
If there’s one thing that would tempt me to jump from my current 4th gen iPA to a m* based ipad this would be it
At any chance, I will trash Android. I do not have very good opinions on it and if mine somehow persuades someone else to abandon it as well, than I have done a good job in this world.
Luckily, I mostly just have to convince older folks as teenagers and GenZ are overwhelmingly following the same advice.
Frankly you are being a bit presumptuous. Actually there are quite a lot of apps I use and need. For instance, I have a lot of specialist science- and research-related apps that I bet will be moved out of the App store. If companies do not abandon the app store, then I think the impact will be minimal, but they will. Why do you think companies lobbied the EU so hard to make Apple allow sideloading? Do you really think the EU politicians thought this up on their own? I am generally pro-EU, but this is government interference that has implications for all iOS users in the EU, with ramifications worldwide, not just the ones who want sideloading.
Has anybody else noticed a dearth of information suggesting that there was a majority of iOS users who actually wanted this? I haven't been able to find a single poll of iOS users about this issue. Perhaps MR should conduct one. 🍿
Well, and this is just me, but I game at home where I do not need a cloud gaming app. It's called Turn on TV, turn on Playstation/Xbox/Switch.
Dolphin, emulators, just keep reading.
You can have third party browser technologies without side loading. Apple just needs to add the binaries. But, IMHO, Safari is superior to Firefox, and Firefox smokes Chrome. Chrome sucks. So, not a problem for me. Mozilla, I hope, takes Chrome down a peg or two. I love Mozilla, but I love Safari more.
Virtual Machines and Emulators....okay, God Damn it. I would love Parallels on my iPad. UTM works well, but it's crippled. And Dolphin/RetroArch/etc at this point I do not understand why emulation is even remotely a legal issue anymore given not even Sony or Microsoft has been able to ever seriously beat them back.
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Despite sideloading being allowed on Android for ages, I believe most Android apps are still available on Google Play Store. I don't think Apple's App Store will be much different and this could encourage Apple to make the App Store even better/more appealing for developers and customers.
Sideload, USB-C are not important to users, they are important because they set a precedent: you can't just do what you want.
They become important when they put the company's plans in difficulty, which needs to be questioned since it lost a couple of useful connotations (the focus on the design and quality of the sw) in favour of only one, useful for shareholders only: sell, sell, sell, especially poorly designed and worse manufactured products.
It should also be in the interest of the US market to put salt on the tail to Apple and large companies, I don't know if the american competition Authority is aware of it or prefers to deal with something else.
They become important when they put the company's plans in difficulty, which needs to be questioned since it lost a couple of useful connotations (the focus on the design and quality of the sw) in favour of only one, useful for shareholders only: sell, sell, sell, especially poorly designed and worse manufactured products.
It should also be in the interest of the US market to put salt on the tail to Apple and large companies, I don't know if the american competition Authority is aware of it or prefers to deal with something else.