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Absolutely! This was my first thought too. I do not want this stupid thing. SirIA says, "It looks like you are trying to reply to an email. Here is a reply I've done for you..." No! Get lost! I do not want it.

For those people who think it will save their time and is kind of cool, just remember that many people won't bother writing replies to emails you send them. We already know what it's like when you want to speak to a human when you call a company (or "live message") and all you get is an idiot machine that pretends it understands you but simply cannot or will not do what you need it to do. Now emails will go the same way, and our only hope that a human may deal with a complaint properly will be to send a physical letter by post.

And what happens when SirIA writes responsds to other SirIA responses in a cycle, especially if you can opt into an auto reply feature? There could be hundreds of auto-exchanges in an hour until your original email saying you enjoyed a birthday party morphs into an email saying you are going to sue them for all they are worth because the birthday cake was a bit too sweet and you hope their house burns down and never want to see any of them again.

I know this probably isn't quite what is being proposed here, but it is a thought of a future in which billions of online conversations back and forward are happening every day without any input from us because we've got too lazy to bother. What if some of those emails lead to an actual automated action, such as closing your investment account and sending your money to a charity for sad cats or, more likely, to an AI scammer. Skynet here we come...
 
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AI will be dumbing down generations of humans for decades to come. Centuries, even. Humanity will always take the easiest and laziest road and AI will learn this. Soon, humans won’t be able to write anything without AI assistance.
 
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LOL! You think autocorrect/autocomplete are the same as composing the content of a message, but I’m the one who has no idea what I’m talking about. Right.
Where exactly did I say it's the same thing? Please quote me.

I’m the one who has no idea what I’m talking about. Right.
Yes, and I will reiterate it again. Both autocorrect and autocomplete are LLM's but much simpler ones running on the device. You already "outsource" your conversation to LLM to be autocorrected.
 
For years I’ve suffered with yahoo mail in the iOS mail app. Constant loading , always randomly getting the “this message has not been downloaded from the server”.

Any fixes? Any hope?

(I wish to stay with yahoo and I do use the yahoo app when I need to view the email urgently)
 
Where exactly did I say it's the same thing? Please quote me.
In a thread about the Apple Mail app using AI to compose and reply to messages, you posted this beauty:
You already "outsource" your communication to ie. auto-correct and autocomplete.
You need some AI to help you understand how you equated composition with auto-correct/auto-complete?

Yes, and I will reiterate it again. Both autocorrect and autocomplete are LLM's but much simpler ones running on the device. You already "outsource" your conversation to LLM to be autocorrected.

But the best part is that your latest response also helped me understand the real reason you keep talking about “on device” processing, which I admit, I found quite puzzling at the time.

You don’t actually know the meaning of the word “outsource”.

You think it has something to do with sending your text somewhere.

So I’ll reiterate:
It’s no wonder you are so excited to have AI help you communicate (both directions)! You clearly need it, …
 
I get so much junk email that I wish Apple would allow Siri to prioritize contacts that are in VIP section or someone that’s in our contacts so that we don’t have to see all this junk. But I know that won’t happen anytime soon.
 
It has been mentioned it will be Opt-In (see provided article). No mention of any subscription so far.

If there is a monthly subscription fee, you can be sure that Apple will make this available to every device it absolutely can.
 
None of these things will be perfect, but MS CoPilot works reasonably well in Outlook. Hopefully Apple will have a better implementation.

The number one problem with AI isn't so much a problem with AI as it is modern software design.

Yes, I see your fancy new feature. I can’t not because it's IN MY FACE ALL THE TIME AND NOW I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT I WAS DOING.

That's Copilot, Outlook, and Windows in a nutshell right now. Everyone wants to show me their fancy new features.

I don't care what Apple adds, I just don't want them to junk up the UI to make damn sure I'm aware of it.

Just keep most of Siri's interface, but make it actually work! They don't have to go nuts, the answer is right in front of them!
 
What I need is for the AI to imbibe every email I've ever written and learn my style so it can create draft emails and responses appropriate to the subject, occasion, and recipient. But we're not there yet

By the time we do get there, it's just going to be AIs talking to AIs so they may as well use machine code of their own devising.
 
How do you feel when you receive a boiler plate out-of-office message?

That’s obviously different since it’s just the system letting you know they’re not available. Furthermore most “out of the office” notifications are actually authored by the person in question. That isn’t the same as someone sending personal emails authored by an AI under the pretense that they themselves wrote it. Your example is informative. The actual use case for the AI is insulting.

The problem this “solves” is a couple generations of people who don’t know how to write coherent sentences thanks to the crap public school system in America.
 
What I need is for the AI to imbibe every email I've ever written and learn my style so it can create draft emails and responses appropriate to the subject, occasion, and recipient. But we're not there yet

By the time we do get there, it's just going to be AIs talking to AIs so they may as well use machine code of their own devising.

Why? Why can’t you write your own emails?
 
iOS19: Apple Mail may tell you if your incoming emails were written by your friends or their iPhone
Well, that’s one way to know if they’re really your friends. Real friends can make time for you and find those extra few seconds to personally reply to you.
 
Exactly. As I said above, I’d be insulted to receive AI authored emails from people.
You, like all of us, already receive tons of partially or fully AI-generated or AI-generation-assisted e-mails - you just don't realize it how widely it is used.
People think that just because they were able to recognize content generated by AI at a specific stage of its development means that they will always be able to. I have bad news for these people - they won't.
 
You, like all of us, already receive tons of partially or fully AI-generated or AI-generation-assisted e-mails - you just don't realize it how widely it is used.
People think that just because they were able to recognize content generated by AI at a specific stage of its development means that they will always be able to. I have bad news for these people - they won't.

No. I’m not talking about commercial emails. I’m talking about personal ones.
 
No. I’m not talking about commercial emails. I’m talking about personal ones.
I'm talking about personal and professional e-mail exchanges too.
You can dislike my comments as much as you want, but it doesn't change the fact that it's already happening.
Companies already use it extensively, this is not just some of my guesses. Sure, in personal communications, it's used a minimal amount, and mainly for improving grammar and cohesion, not for content creation but it's used there anyway.
 
Absolutely! This was my first thought too. I do not want this stupid thing. SirIA says, "It looks like you are trying to reply to an email. Here is a reply I've done for you..." No! Get lost! I do not want it.

For those people who think it will save their time and is kind of cool, just remember that many people won't bother writing replies to emails you send them. We already know what it's like when you want to speak to a human when you call a company (or "live message") and all you get is an idiot machine that pretends it understands you but simply cannot or will not do what you need it to do. Now emails will go the same way, and our only hope that a human may deal with a complaint properly will be to send a physical letter by post.

And what happens when SirIA writes responsds to other SirIA responses in a cycle, especially if you can opt into an auto reply feature? There could be hundreds of auto-exchanges in an hour until your original email saying you enjoyed a birthday party morphs into an email saying you are going to sue them for all they are worth because the birthday cake was a bit too sweet and you hope their house burns down and never want to see any of them again.

I know this probably isn't quite what is being proposed here, but it is a thought of a future in which billions of online conversations back and forward are happening every day without any input from us because we've got too lazy to bother. What if some of those emails lead to an actual automated action, such as closing your investment account and sending your money to a charity for sad cats or, more likely, to an AI scammer. Skynet here we come...
How ironic that those who complain the most about not wanting AI to write replies seem to be the ones who need it the most…
 
I believe that's been happening for a while. At least, with AI, it will choose the correct words and form complete sentences.
This is true enough.
I just wonder how long before we get to humans trying to shift responsibility:

“I didn’t reply to you.”
“I never confirmed that appointment!”
“Well, that’s not what I meant!”
“Well, I didn’t say that, my mail app did.”

We would expect the human to take the time to oversee and review what the AI is producing, but I don’t have high hopes that the same people who can’t be bothered to write a complete sentence would actually do so. The more likely scenario is they open a mail message, the app suggests a reply, they click “Accept”/“Send”, and move on.
 
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