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But it is garbage, because I only care about one thing: screen-on time since last full charge. How do I determine that from that graph?
I shared a screenshot showing it marking when it was connected to a charger.

And again, even if it didn’t, that wouldn’t make it garbage. You may only care about one thing, but just because something doesn’t cater to your niche wants doesn’t make it garbage…
 
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18.6 is at least a month away so unless they push an RC after just 2 betas it’s highly unlikely.
It's also likely that Apple doesn't deem any of the issues in 18.5 to be worthy of getting fixed ASAP.. I say there's no 18.5.1 and just a wait for 18.6
 
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I think y’all got confused, you’re talking about the iOS 18 beta in the iOS 26 speculation thread. 🙂. Not trying to come across wrong or anything, just wanted to offer a friendly reminder. 👍🏻😉
 
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I shared a screenshot showing it marking when it was connected to a charger.

And again, even if it didn’t, that wouldn’t make it garbage. You may only care about one thing, but just because something doesn’t cater to your niche wants doesn’t make it garbage…
Niche wants? How is battery consumption since 00:00 with no SOT information relevant?

It’s not niche, practically everyone considers SOT the cornerstone of battery life information.

How is percentage consumption per 24 hours with no additional info relevant?
 
Niche wants? How is battery consumption since 00:00 with no SOT information relevant?

It’s not niche, practically everyone considers SOT the cornerstone of battery life information.

How is percentage consumption per 24 hours with no additional info relevant?
And as I already showed you, it still does show SOT time since removing from charger as well…

And I think it’s niche. Most people seem to want to know SOT for the day, that’s what was prioritized on the old graph as well. That’s not to say you’re wants are invalid, or don’t matter, it just seems to me that graph has always prioritized the one over the other. 👍🏻

I don’t understand why you seem to be so upset about this, it still shows the information you want, I already showed you that on another screenshot, and it’s the first developer beta, we have many more betas to go before it drops to the public, so there’s plenty of time for things to change anyways… 🤷🏼‍♂️

The only reason I even took all of the time to take screenshots and test things for you was to try to be helpful to you, and it feels like all I’m getting back are prickles… 🙁. It at least comes across like your upset with me, maybe you aren’t, but that’s the way it comes across.
 

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Why is everyone so enamored with SOT and such. My phone lasts me through the day. I can read the battery percentage. What more is needed?
Is it hard to understand that some people have battery anxiety? Talking about SoT is about communicating to each other what they should expect. Plenty of people holding off on the beta because they don’t know if their phone will last them through a day. When the iPhone Air comes out, the entire conversation is going to be about SoT.
 
And as I already showed you, it still does show SOT time since removing from charger as well…

And I think it’s niche. Most people seem to want to know SOT for the day, that’s what was prioritized on the old graph as well. That’s not to say you’re wants are invalid, or don’t matter, it just seems to me that graph has always prioritized the one over the other. 👍🏻

I don’t understand why you seem to be so upset about this, it still shows the information you want, I already showed you that on another screenshot, and it’s the first developer beta, we have many more betas to go before it drops to the public, so there’s plenty of time for things to change anyways… 🤷🏼‍♂️

The only reason I even took all of the time to take screenshots and test things for you was to try to be helpful to you, and it feels like all I’m getting back are prickles… 🙁. It at least comes across like your upset with me, maybe you aren’t, but that’s the way it comes across.
I am absolutely grateful to you! You are sharing the screenshots and trying to help. I was upset with Apple because with this it seems like they keep regressing, not with you. You’ve been nothing but absolutely helpful and I’m grateful!

But wait… the segment is super unclear then. That screen-on time number is since last full charge, and not since 00:00? That’s not what I’ve seen.

The problem with SOT for the day is that I don’t unplug at 00:00. I might use the phone plugged in, which destroys the number (the SOT number increases snd the percentage consumed stays the same, which is misleading). I might start at 100%, in which case 1% from 100-99% lasts about eight times longer than other percentage, or not. I might charge it and use it while charging many times throughout the day, which would make the number irrelevant.

What I don’t understand is what this new system is trying to achieve. I want to know SOT since last full charge, how is that not the only relevant aspect?

This is showing SOT in a 24-hour day (from 00:00 to 23:59), and battery used in that period, if I interpret it correctly. How is that helpful? I might charge in the middle, I might not charge at all and just use a cycle throughout several days, charge multiple times a day, or any other combination. I can’t know what my battery life is like with that.

Let me show the screenshot that @goldmac2006 shared, it will help explain this:

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This shows that they used 92% from 00:00 to 16:23. This cannot show SOT since the phone was unplugged, as it was unplugged at 13:00, about 3.5 hours before the screenshot was taken. Therefore, it has to show SOT since 00:00, it’s the only indication I have. It does show that, right? @goldmac2006

Therefore… from that screenshot, how do you know battery life since last full charge?

You see why I call Apple’s new method garbage?



Apple’s system back on iOS 6 through 11(!!!!!!) was infinitely better, with one massive drawback
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This is a screenshot of an iPhone 6s (Plus) running iOS 9. It shows usage time since last full charge. Perfect, right? Well… no. This stored all usage in the same bag. On-screen usage, off-screen usage with practically no power draw, background tasks, and system usage. Result? Heavy music listeners would have insanely high “usage times” that, if they didn’t clarify that “I was listening to music for 10 hours”, would be misinterpreted as “how do you have 15 hours of usage and still have 70% remaining?”.

iOS 12 added SOT, but we go back to the problem: it shows SOT of the last 24 hours and not since full charge, which meant that you have to add bars individually, hour by hour, and you have to write the time down if you have a cycle that’s longer than one day, but you can do it.

What can you do with this? What is this showing?
 
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I am absolutely grateful to you! You are sharing the screenshots and trying to help. I was upset with Apple because with this it seems like they keep regressing, not with you. You’ve been nothing but absolutely helpful and I’m grateful!

But wait… the segment is super unclear then. That screen-on time number is since last full charge, and not since 00:00? That’s not what I’ve seen.

The problem with SOT for the day is that I don’t unplug at 00:00. I might use the phone plugged in, which destroys the number (the SOT number increases snd the percentage consumed stays the same, which is misleading). I might start at 100%, in which case 1% from 100-99% lasts about eight times longer than other percentage, or not. I might charge it and use it while charging many times throughout the day, which would make the number irrelevant.

What I don’t understand is what this new system is trying to achieve. I want to know SOT since last full charge, how is that not the only relevant aspect?

This is showing SOT in a 24-hour day (from 00:00 to 23:59), and battery used in that period, if I interpret it correctly. How is that helpful? I might charge in the middle, I might not charge at all and just use a cycle throughout several days, charge multiple times a day, or any other combination. I can’t know what my battery life is like with that.

Let me show the screenshot that @goldmac2006 shared, it will help explain this:

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This shows that they used 92% from 00:00 to 16:23. This cannot show SOT since the phone was unplugged, as it was unplugged at 13:00, about 3.5 hours before the screenshot was taken. Therefore, it has to show SOT since 00:00, it’s the only indication I have. It does show that, right? @goldmac2006

Therefore… from that screenshot, how do you know battery life since last full charge?

You see why I call Apple’s new method garbage?



Apple’s system back on iOS 6 through 11(!!!!!!) was infinitely better, with one massive drawbackView attachment 2521479
This is a screenshot of an iPhone 6s (Plus) running iOS 9. It shows usage time since last full charge. Perfect, right? Well… no. This stored all usage in the same bag. On-screen usage, off-screen usage with practically no power draw, background tasks, and system usage. Result? Heavy music listeners would have insanely high “usage times” that, if they didn’t clarify that “I was listening to music for 10 hours”, would be misinterpreted as “how do you have 15 hours of usage and still have 70% remaining?”.

iOS 12 added SOT, but we go back to the problem: it shows SOT of the last 24 hours and not since full charge, which meant that you have to add bars individually, hour by hour, and you have to write the time down if you have a cycle that’s longer than one day, but you can do it.

What can you do with this? What is this showing?
Ok, I’m glad to know you’re not upset with me. 👍🏻🙂

I think, if I’m understanding correctly, we should be able to count the bars in that second row to count hours since last charged. Also, perhaps I’m wrong, but so far, I’m thinking maybe the SOT time I’m getting is since last charge rather than beginning of the day, as the number I’m currently getting in the SOT slot at the bottom seems to match the amount of time I’ve been using the iPad since I unplugged. What I should do is try manually timing my screen on time after charging, and compare to the value I get there and see if it matches. 👍🏻

But it basically looks to me like they just kind of restyled the graph a bit, and switched the order of the rows. Maybe I’m wrong, but since it marks bars when it was on a charger, I think I could just count the bars after the charging indicator on the graph. But maybe I’m missing something?
 
Why is SOT since last full charge so useful? The way I use the screen, I look for a day where I used about 100% of the battery that day and see how much SOT I got. That tells me how much usage to expect from one full charge cycle.
 
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