StumpyBloke
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Has the order tracking in mail (beta) been removed in beta 4? I no longer see it as an option. View attachment 2648417
I’m still seeing it.
Has the order tracking in mail (beta) been removed in beta 4? I no longer see it as an option. View attachment 2648417
So, I still have the toggle as I pictured, just not the additional toggle that was order tracking in mail (beta).I’m still seeing it.
just wanted to write .. for me Order tracking on mails first time works with Wallet in b4 for me - but checked only iPhoneHas the order tracking in mail (beta) been removed in beta 4? I no longer see it as an option. View attachment 2648417
I tried iOS 27 for the first time and, being in Ireland which doesn’t get all the new Siri stuff, I find it very underwhelming Indeed.
It would be difficult for me to notice the difference between the new beta and iOS 26. I think in Europe, where we don’t get all the new Siri stuff, the update won’t be that big a deal at all come September.
Appreciate the reply, but I think that one is off, and it's worth clearing up because a lot of people seem to have the same impression.There are still lots of small refinements across the iOS that you will be getting. As for Siri AI, it appears that you would actually be tapping into the same new model, just missing the dedicated Siri AI app and the new Dynamic Island animations.
Appreciate the reply, but I think that one is off, and it's worth clearing up because a lot of people seem to have the same impression.
Apple's own newsroom post from 8 June says EU users will not have access to Siri AI and its advanced capabilities, including the dedicated app to revisit conversations, the expanded Visual Intelligence experience, integrated tools for writing, Siri mode in Camera, and other Siri AI capabilities announced at WWDC26. That last clause is doing the heavy lifting. It isn't the app and the Dynamic Island animations that are missing here, it's the assistant. There is no new model for an EU iPhone to tap into.
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Due to DMA, Siri AI delayed in EU for iOS 27 and iPadOS 27
Due to the Digital Markets Act, Apple will not be able to ship Siri AI in the European Union with the release of iOS 27 and iPadOS 27.www.apple.com
What we do keep is Apple Intelligence, which has been available on EU iPhones since 18.4. Photos editing, Image Playground, the Mail and Safari changes, the Messages suggestions, all of that works here fine. I suspect that is what creates the impression that the new model is quietly present. It isn't. That is the older platform doing its job.
The cleanest proof is watchOS. Apple states that EU users don't get Siri AI on watchOS 27 specifically because it requires a paired iPhone with Siri AI. If EU iPhones were running the new model under the hood, that dependency would not break.
Mac and Vision Pro are the exceptions, since macOS 27 and visionOS 27 both get Siri AI in the EU. So the assistant exists for us, just not on the device where it matters most. Which is exactly why the iPhone update feels thin this year, and I don't think that is me failing to notice the refinements.
That's a far more useful data point than anything in the press coverage, so thanks for that.Well, Apple Intelligence grew up in size quite a bit with iOS 27 betas and now takes ~15 GB vs the previous ~10 GB on my iPhone and even more on my iPad.
I spend two days a week in Switzerland, where both my iPhone and iPad switch to the new Siri AI and revert back to the pre-iOS 27 Siri once I get back to France. From my experience, right now Siri AI beta still struggles with simple commands and is not as good as its predecessor when used with CarPlay, so you are not missing much as yet.
Siri AI will get to the EU eventually, as neither Apple nor EU residents benefit from this standoff in any way. Might be the same sort of delay as we had with Apple Intelligence, having to wait until iOS 18.4.
PS I can get some of the new features working even in the EU, like evoking the Visual Intelligence by pressing and holding the dedicated camera button and extend photo frames, etc.
That's a far more useful data point than anything in the press coverage, so thanks for that.
The border crossing behaviour is the interesting bit. I had assumed the gating keyed off Apple Account country or device region, which would make it sticky. If it is genuinely flipping based on where you physically are as you go into Switzerland and back, that is a live geofence rather than an account setting, and it would also explain the jump to ~15 GB. The model assets are presumably sitting on your phone in France the whole time, just fenced off. Does the storage figure hold steady while you are back in the EU, or does it eventually shed the extra?
On the PS, I think that supports the earlier point rather than undercutting it. Visual Intelligence and the Photos extend tools already worked in the EU on 26, because ordinary Apple Intelligence has been available here since 18.4. What Apple excluded is specifically the expanded Visual Intelligence experience tied to Siri AI, not the feature itself. So the things you can still trigger in France are the older platform doing its job, which is exactly why the update feels thin for those of us who can't nip over to Geneva for the afternoon.
The CarPlay regression is worth knowing about. If the new assistant is currently worse at simple commands than the one it replaces, being a few months behind is more reprieve than loss.
I'm less confident about the 18.4 precedent though. That delay ended because Apple did the compliance work and shipped. This one is different in kind. The Commission has said publicly that it rejected Apple's request for an 18 month exemption and that nothing in the DMA prevents Apple launching. Cook and Virkkunen have reportedly had constructive talks since, so it may well land, but Apple's own wording is that there is currently no timeline, and I'd rather plan around that than around optimism.
None whatsoever; iPhone Air
I'm curious, when reinstalling iOS fresh, are you restoring from backups?
Not quiet I think, I am based in Ireland and have setup my media and purchased to American account and have SIRI AI. I think it’s tied to media and purchase account most likely.FWIW, my iPhone’s language and Siri language are both set to English (UK), while its region and Media & Purchases are set to France. I do not need to change these settings when I cross the Swiss border for the new Siri to work, so Apple appear to use proactive geofencing in Europe. I have read on Reddit that the US people (with all of their iPhone settings pointing to the US and English US) visiting the EU still have the new Siri working for them, but could not check it myself, as it would mess up my family subscription plans.
I have used 18.4 as an example as Apple appear to be testing iOS 27.4 already, so I guessed it would be something quite big of an update, hence my optimism. 😉
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Apple Already Testing iOS 27.4
Apple's software engineers recently began testing iOS 27.4, according to the MacRumors visitor logs. Apple's software engineers recently began testing iOS 27.4, according to the MacRumors visitor logs.www.macrumors.com
I have a 16ProMax running 26.6 that accepted the pairing with no issues - however, found out these were the last Gen1s I had in the drawer - I’ll wait for my Gen2 order to arrive and try again…Odd. Within the last week, I have paired five second generation AirTags to my 17 Pro Max running the latest developer beta with zero issues.
I have had most of the labels cleared: e.g., which phone or address is home, office, etc. It has happened to me before but just happened again recently.Not sure if it happened in Beta 4, but anyone else have their Address Book contact card get modified and cleared of most items?
Not quiet I think, I am based in Ireland and have setup my media and purchased to American account and have SIRI AI. I think it’s tied to media and purchase account most likely.
Yep, sure do. Sure do.Or how about spoken map directions?
specfically when turning left at a light.
"At the light turn left, Turn Left"
I missed the part where you were using Google Maps, I was thinking Apple Maps.For my Galaxy the control that allows me to change map light/dark/auto is in the config on screen.
For the Air, it isn’t there for GMaps. I have it set to dark on the Air.
As for headlights, mine are set to auto (default unless I manually change them every time I start the PU) with DT running lights always on.
If anyone else has a newer Gen 3 Chevy Colorado and it works for them, let me know. For now I’ll wait and see what B5 offers unless I see or run into a fix.
Thx!
Only since iOS 26 or 18, I can't remember. But it's something I'd been waiting for since iOS 2!
Hardware problem, perhaps?With a clean install of Beta 4, set up as a new phone, I get panics. Likewise, if I restore from a backup.
Maybe it's centered between the bottom of the box and the tip of the arrow?
I tried iOS 27 for the first time and, being in Ireland which doesn’t get all the new Siri stuff, I find it very underwhelming Indeed.
It would be difficult for me to notice the difference between the new beta and iOS 26. I think in Europe, where we don’t get all the new Siri stuff, the update won’t be that big a deal at all come September.
I might have been wrong, Search works perfectly even after indexing.I'll wait a few days to see, it worked fine with the last beta while indexing was going on and it broke after it finished. It's indexing again so we'll see.