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mac00l

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Oh right fair enough :)
Would you consider buying a second hand iPhone 5 or are you only interested in the very latest?

Actually I already have an iPhone 5, I left it back home cause still is under contract. The person using it takes care of what's remaining.

Honestly I don't feel like getting another iPhone 5. I'm into my 2nd month with only a 20 bucks flip phone and my iPad, and to be honest I don't miss it that much.

The only times I miss it, are when something unexpected happens and I want to take a picture, or for hearing some music every so often. Furthermore my iPad is more than enough to enjoy iOS. Truthfully somehow I'm really exited about the Nexus 5 now, I might be biased, but there is no way I'm getting something else.
 

onthecouchagain

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Someone in the family updated to iOS 7. I got a chance to use it.

Anyone else think it's extremely cluttered? Not that I want skeuomorphism back, but at least back then it had lines that delineated what ended where. I just pulled this image below off Google as an example, but it's not even the best example of this. Each thing bleeds into the next which doesn't sound like a bad thing on paper but on such a small screen, things feel really cramped and cluttered to me. It almost reminds me of WP8 with the fonts almost blending into each other.

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EDIT: Here's a better example. The top navigation pane just looks out of balance:

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The colors are also insanely bright. There is sooo much white. White everywhere! It almost made my eyes hurt and took time to adjust. As I predicted, I liked the transparency effects, but found some of the icons downright ugly. They're not as easily recognizable either. You have to sort of read what the app is before recognizing it. I guess it takes time to adjust to an entirely new look.

Control Center is nice, as everyone has said. It's a damn shame though you can't customize it. It's begging to be customized. I just don't need music controls there all the time and it takes up such a huge chunk. I don't use Bluetooth either nor do I need the calculator/stop watch so readily accessible. It's a shame I can't swap those out for things that I might want easier access too.

I can definitely understand all the complaints about the slow animation. They feel slow especially when I took out my HTC One to compare apps opening. Apps on Android still open/close with that zoom in and zoom out (like exploding/imploding) effect but it does it so much faster.

Safari is a HUGE improvement. Like, ridiculously huge. Probably my favorite thing about iOS 7. It's very much like Chrome now, with slide-able tabs and a unified great search bar. It's SO nice to not have to use so many taps and slides just to switch tabs. It's unbelievable it took Apple this long to improve Safari. And yes, finally, private browsing where it should be. Kudos to them.

Mail still sucks tremendously. I hate that you can't tell from which inbox a mail in "All Mail" is from. Am I just using it wrong? Is there a way to tell? There isn't as far as I know. And again, on such a small screen, things really do feel cluttered. And the keyboard... still the same ol' keyboard. I won't go into detail here, but as most of you already know, I hate the keyboard. Why are all the letters still permanently in caps? Why is this keyboard not adapting? Where is swipe/gesture like functionality? Why can't I long press for secondary characters? Why do I still have no control over my personal dictionary? :(

Anyway, I don't have much else to say. I obviously didn't have very much time with it, as that family member wanted his phone back, but I couldn't help shake the familiarity of iOS. In other words, it felt like iOS no matter how you spin it, and that's good for Apple's main target base. iOS is growing in interesting ways and it's about time, but at this point in time there's simply no way it's significant nor fast enough to tempt me back to the iPhone.

My One feels immensely more powerful and I don't mean spec-wise either (except for the larger and prettier screen); I mean it software wise. Android is so much more flexible, so much more adaptable to my specific preferences, and just -- I'm not sure how else to describe this, but... -- just makes more sense to me. Even things as basic as the back button or the menu button I was missing right away. With iOS, I had to actively find how to go "back." Much like iOS of past, sometimes it's top left, sometimes top right, sometimes it's a "cancel" button on the bottom. Ditto the menu button. Sometimes I want to tinker with the settings to see different results, and I forget that I have to actually leave the app to accomplish this. Does this really make sense to anyone? Not to me.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

EDIT: I wonder if a lot of iOS' limitations comes from the fact that it's built on legacy software meant for smaller screens. I really hope when Apple adopts a larger screen, it'll also expand (figuratively and literally) iOS. Gestures should become universal (I like how iMessage lets you swipe to go back, much like how it is in Hangouts. Nifty and useful feature). We should be able to get into the settings screen immediately within an app. Things ought to be more customizable. It doesn't have to be complicated. For example, keyboard sizes can be "small, medium, large" to offer different heights. Swiftkey does this. It doesn't have to be numerical value like other keyboards (though assigning numerical value shouldn't be mind-bendingly difficult, either).
 
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cube

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White iOS 7 is making me think about not getting the maxipad even if it is quad core.
 

Vetvito

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For anyone thinking of moving off iOS 7, I'd also recommend you take a look at some Windows Phone models. Its a nice middle-ground between iOS and Android. Much more flexible and customisable than iOS, but no so much so that you run the risk of bricking your phone if you try too much. And plenty of apps too.

Saying that, I really like the look of iOS 7. I always said my next phone would be another Nokia Windows Phone, but now I'm not so sure with the new iOS design and the *slightly* cheaper iPhone.


I never understood this. How is Windows Phone more customizable than iOS?

All you can do is change tile sizes. You don't even have separate volume controls or custom notification sounds on windows phone.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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I never understood this. How is Windows Phone more customizable than iOS?

All you can do is change tile sizes. You don't even have separate volume controls or custom notification sounds on windows phone.

I also don't know how anybody can reconcile the lack of apps. Especially coming from those who think Android doesn't offer enough apps.
 

joshwithachance

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Dec 11, 2009
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I played with my coworkers iPhone 5 this week a few times to try out iOS 7 and I don't really like it. It has that initial "wow" compared to iOS 6, but it's just too damn white. On top of that, the new animations are sloooooooow, especially when compared to my HTC One. I don't even find the ecosystem excuse enough anymore, as Google Music + Dropbox have satiated all my cloud needs, and the apps are basically on par now.
 

MsvSpaz

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Feb 15, 2011
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I have both an iPhone 5 and a GS4 and since iOS7 I have taken the iPhone out of retirement and stashed the Galaxy back in my drawer.
If nothing else, iOS7 is refreshing to look at and whilst it does not drastically change the experience it certainly adds some welcome functionality. As far as theming and icons I could really not care less, I have all that on the GS4 and I find them to be just a time waster. I also like the new camera app and find that my photos are generally much better with the iPhone.
 

apolloa

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Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
Well I have a Nexus 7, and believe me I am loving Android 4.3 next to iOS7, so yes iOS7 is pushing me towards, for the first time ever, as well as Apples price increase on the 5S and the high price of the 5C, towards an Android phone.

I am going to wait to see if Sony make an Xperia Z1 mini as they are rumoured to be doing so, and it is rumoured to have the same awesome 20mpx camera. That'll push me over I think.

The more I now use iOS7 the more I hate my iPhone cause of it, and I cannot change back now either!

The fact that under Cook, they have totally changed the thinking behind iOS with sticking Ives in charge of it clearly shows IMO.
Remember Jobs went to great lengths to ensure the hardware team under Ives and the iOS teams under someone else were kept totally apart and separate? Well now you now WHY he did that!

Also considering they have increased the price of the iPhone 5S over the 5 in the UK, I really dread to think what kind of pricing they'll slap on any iPhone with a bigger screen!
 

Liquorpuki

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Jun 18, 2009
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I never understood this. How is Windows Phone more customizable than iOS?

All you can do is change tile sizes. You don't even have separate volume controls or custom notification sounds on windows phone.

iOS is the least customizable of the 3 when it comes to the UI

WP8 I can change my theme, change colors, change tiles sizes, configure what data a tile shows, download themes to change the look of tiles entirely, configure the lockscreen on what multiple types of data to display. Note that a tile in WP8 is a hybrid configurable icon / limited-info widget

iOS all you get is a static icon grid

Android is on its own level. Being able to stick an icon wherever I want on the grid is refreshing. So is being able to choose from various sized widgets that aren't space constrained for information
 

Vetvito

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Sep 30, 2012
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iOS is the least customizable of the 3 when it comes to the UI

WP8 I can change my theme, change colors, change tiles sizes, configure what data a tile shows, download themes to change the look of tiles entirely, configure the lockscreen on what multiple types of data to display. Note that a tile in WP8 is a hybrid configurable icon / limited-info widget

iOS all you get is a static icon grid

Android is on its own level. Being able to stick an icon wherever I want on the grid is refreshing. So is being able to choose from various sized widgets that aren't space constrained for information

Changing colors? Are we calling picking black or white a feature now?

Wow, changing tile sizes is such customization.

Lastly accent colors for tiles. Is that it?


Let me know when you can customize the notification center.... Oh wait.

Let me know when you can change more than the lock screen wallpaper... Oh wait.


Let me know when you can separate the volume controls... Oh wait.

Let me know when you can have more than 3 apps show notifications on the lock screen... Oh boy.


Let me know when the live tiles(heavily promoted) actually work... Oh geez.

Sure, iOS is just a static grid of icons with absolutely no customization. Let's just pretend the notification center doesn't exist.


Has push notifications even been fixed on Windows Phone yet? Nope, Lumia shall stay put away.

I think I may pull it out to really customize it. Pick between the black or white theme, then move some tiles around. Really dress it up with a weather lock screen app.
 

iEnvy

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Jun 25, 2010
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Some of you guys are really reaching for something nitpick. Especially because some of the things that are disliked can be fixed in one update. There are cons but iOS 7 is still a good OS that can get the job done. No need for some of you guys to act like its freaking horrible because it's essentially still iOS. Some of you sound as bad as a Samsung commercial.

Despite my rant though, I am still excited to pick up a Nexus 5 as soon as it is announced/released.
 
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Liquorpuki

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Jun 18, 2009
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Changing colors? Are we calling picking black or white a feature now?

Wow, changing tile sizes is such customization.

Lastly accent colors for tiles. Is that it?

The iOS alternative you're vouching for is a static icon grid. You can't do anything with your app grid except stick them in folders. If WP8 ranks a 2 on customizability, iOS is a big fat 0

Let me know when you can customize the notification center.... Oh wait.

No notification center until GDR3. Though what's the point of a notification center in the first place? It's to display data. When you have a data-centric OS like WP8 or Android, data gets outputted directly to the UI and the notification center becomes redundant for anything except convenience.

Only when you have a static UI where no data gets outputted ANYWHERE except for a number in the corner of some icons, do you absolutely need a notification center.

Many people were hoping Apple would upgrade their UI to become data-centric but nope, they decided to just reskin everything with frosted glass and pastels and have marketing give their usual spiel about how magical and beautiful iOS is

Let me know when you can change more than the lock screen wallpaper... Oh wait.

Let me know when you can separate the volume controls... Oh wait.

Let me know when you can activate the camera and take a picture without it being a pain in the ass. Let me know when you can take a low light shot where movement isn't a guaranteed blur. Let me know when Apple decides to incorporate a camera flash that isn't useless if the target is more than 1 meter away

None of this has anything to do with customization. This is all feature parity stuff

Let me know when you can have more than 3 apps show notifications on the lock screen... Oh boy.

Let me know when the live tiles(heavily promoted) actually work... Oh geez.

I use a Moto X now but when I used an 8X, I had 5 apps outputting to my lockscreen. And LiveTiles worked fine for me, I don't know what was wrong with your phone

I think I may pull it out to really customize it. Pick between the black or white theme, then move some tiles around. Really dress it up with a weather lock screen app.

No you should keep your Lumia in the drawer and enjoy your iPhone with its magical My Little Pony color palette and static app grid carried over from the Palm Pilot days. Make sure you also get one of those $30 branded Connect 4 cases that only cost Apple $3 to manufacture. Apple is counting on you bro
 

Vetvito

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Sep 30, 2012
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The iOS alternative you're vouching for is a static icon grid. You can't do anything with your app grid except stick them in folders. If WP8 ranks a 2 on customizability, iOS is a big fat 0

Lol, you can move them around like tiles.


No notification center until GDR3. Though what's the point of a notification center in the first place? It's to display data. When you have a data-centric OS like WP8 or Android, data gets outputted directly to the UI and the notification center becomes redundant for anything except convenience.

Only when you have a static UI where no data gets outputted ANYWHERE except for a number in the corner of some icons, do you absolutely need a notification center.

Many people were hoping Apple would upgrade their UI to become data-centric but nope, they decided to just reskin everything with frosted glass and pastels and have marketing give their usual spiel about how magical and beautiful iOS is

It's not needed but they're adding one? You mean Windows Phone blue btw, or 8.1. GDR3 just adds support for the Lumia 1520.


Let me know when you can activate the camera and take a picture without it being a pain in the ass. Let me know when you can take a low light shot where movement isn't a guaranteed blur. Let me know when Apple decides to incorporate a camera flash that isn't useless if the target is more than 1 meter away

None of this has anything to do with customization. This is all feature parity stuff
You know you're reaching when the camera is all you have to tout.


I use a Moto X now but when I used an 8X, I had 5 apps outputting to my lockscreen. And LiveTiles worked fine for me, I don't know what was wrong with your phone

Just visit wpcentral, wasn't just my phone. It's pretty common too. You can only have 3 apps put on the lock screen. I'm not referring to toast.

No you should keep your Lumia in the drawer and enjoy your iPhone with its magical My Little Pony color palette and static app grid carried over from the Palm Pilot days. Make sure you also get one of those $30 branded Connect 4 cases that only cost Apple $3 to manufacture. Apple is counting on you bro

Why are you talking about your little pony?

$30 case? No thanks mine costs $175, you know I prefer the nice stuff. Nothing wrong if you like $30 cases though.
 

Liquorpuki

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Jun 18, 2009
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It's not needed but they're adding one? You mean Windows Phone blue btw, or 8.1. GDR3 just adds support for the Lumia 1520.

8.1. And they're adding one for feature parity and because a lot of people requested it. Information-wise it's a duplicate of the same data that goes directly to the UI

This is different from iOS, where nothing goes to the UI

You know you're reaching when the camera is all you have to tout.

You know you're reaching when a notification center is all you have to tout

Just visit wpcentral, wasn't just my phone. It's pretty common too. You can only have 3 apps put on the lock screen. I'm not referring to toast.

You get 5 Quick Status and 1 Detailed Status on the lockscreen

Why are you talking about your little pony?

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$30 case? No thanks mine costs $175, you know I prefer the nice stuff. Nothing wrong if you like $30 cases though.

lol
 

Vetvito

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Sep 30, 2012
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^ I don't know if you're a guy or girl, but if you like kittens and colorful ponies, that's your business. I don't judge.

Shrug my shoulders at that other stuff.
 

M87

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Jul 18, 2009
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No, I like iOS 7. It's pretty much just screen size that is pushing me away from the iPhone.
 

rockitdog

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iOS 7/ iPhone 5s pushed me right back into the arms of a Galaxy S4. My eyes instantly thaks me for the larger screen and my fingers are loving not being crammed onto a small keyboard.
 

Antgb84

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Mar 9, 2013
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Dog's bollox, not pushing to Android at all, actually pushing me to buy an iPad Mini with retina cuzz I just got the MacBook Pro and it's brilliant, love Apple eco system thanks for the input. :rolleyes: :apple:
 

Tsuchiya

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Jun 7, 2008
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I think Apple kind of ****ed up in terms of general usability and there are a few bugs in the iPad and iPhone 4S versions that are annoying. I don't particularly hate it, but I suppose I wouldn't really miss it anymore.
 
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