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iOS 9.2 Beta 4 Bug Fixes, Changes and Performance Adjustments
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I just did this on my 6 and it completely locked up the phone.I had to do a hard reset to turn it on.This is a MAJOR bug.But hey as some say "priorities"
In every single iteration of iOS 9, including every single beta, my 6+ and iPad Air 2 has never locked up. Never. In iOS 8 page reloads, Safari crashes and springboard crashes were features.
I can show you a video of me locking my phone up doing the above steps so you are wrong
That's great, but in day to day usage my devices do not lock up. Those steps aren't a day to day usage routine. Report it, like the Doc did and hopefully Apple gets to it. Other than that, don't know what to tell you.
That is the thing about the people on this forum. First people talked about performance and others denied it and it got to a point where mods had to tell us to stop talking about performance and stick to talking about just bugs.
Then I start talking about just the bugs and still, people here find ways to disagree and blame me for the bugs being "obscure" no matter how severe their effects are. They're just out to defend Apple. I don't know why my pointing out concrete bugs as I've been asked still makes me "look bad" or offends other people. All this damage control about the bugs not mattering is why the bugs even exist.
Well you are not doing all those steps with both hands. Try that and it will probably lockup for you. I am still PO'ed that I cannot use CC smoothly while talking to Siri because I do that almost every............... well I never do that, but if I wanted to I would want it smooth. And I hate when I open NC and close 1/2 way, double press home then turn up the volume with my other hand while talking to Siri and it locks up. Man that is annoying. Come on 9.3!
No blame. It's great you found the obscure bug, but it's obscure and in day to day usage it's extremely unlikely someone will discover it. That's not defending Apple in any way. It's merely pointing out that it's indeed obscure. You seem to be framing this as anyone who has a different opinion is an Apple fanboy or apologist. If so, I would disagree.
All you really can do is report the bug and hope Apple fixes it. Changing folks opinions is not likely to succeed.
Correct, because I never have and never will in day to day usage. It's not a routine I use to operate my devices. That is the point. Awesome he found the bug. Sure he's reported it. Time to look for more bugs.
Had the screen active all the time. Mostly Skype.
No other carrier provides LTE in my city mate.
Hey Doc, I don't think anyone here objects to you pointing out bugs. I mean that is the entire point of beta to try and nail down as many as possible before general release. However computers, and any electronic devices will never be perfect and I am sure there is a way to lockup and break most any device if one tries hard enough. I believe that is the point. I am sure no matter what OS there will be some way to "find" a problem using off the wall processes that typically wouldn't be done day to day.
The screen was on non-stop since the moment the phone was off the charger for almost 11 hours?
Things were crashing more often and in worse ways from much simpler interactions (and sometimes with even no interactions) for more people with early versions of iOS 7 and iOS 8, and in many cases fixes for those things didn't come for months. So what else is new and surprising about this kind of issue not being at the top of the list and not fixed in the first couple of months of the release? Or about iOS 9 somehow being a worse release than iOS 8 or 7?
People taking a realistic approach to propose why something hasn't been addressed and discussing that aspect of it isn't the same thing as defending Apple. That's the thing about quite a few people in this forum, if someone didn't completely agree with everything they say that means they are against them and are appologists when it's not even close to anything like that in many cases--things aren't just black or white, people aren't either with you or against you, there's a whole wide range in-between.
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I know it won't be perfect, but before iOS 7, iOS was way closer to perfection. The reason it was better before is because Scott Forstall was a genius of a software engineer that cared about these details and refinements. Same with Steve Jobs. Steve would have gone on a tirade about bugs like this if they ever surfaced in public releases or if the iOS team was slow to fix them.
There isn't a bug that can lock up the device like this in iOS 6.1.3 or even 6.0. They have been around for three years and in all that time, nobody has found a concrete, absolute way of making them fall apart like iOS 9 does. Or iOS 8. Or iOS 7.
It's not just the fact that I can do this that makes me perceive lower quality. It's how easily I can do it combined with all the other issues, some of which have actually been added with 9.2.
Asking for the same quality that iOS once had shouldn't be an unreasonable demand.
I recall a bunch of lockscreen bypass videos in existence in iOS versions prior to iOS 7, so it's likely there were/are various crash situations as well. Things might have been better in various respects, but obscure issues where still there nonetheless. That's certainly a discussion beyond this thread (and one that has also happened many times since iOS 7 days).
There hasn't been any major version of iOS without a lockscreen bypass in some version of it. 7.0 had one that 7.0.2 fixed but 7.0.2 still had one. Then 7.1 fixed more but still had one. Then 8.0 had one that 8.1 fixed but 8.1 had a different bypass. Then 9.0 had one.
I'm talking about on-demand crashes. There was and still is nothing I can do to make the iOS 6 Springboard crash. Meanwhile I'd been doing this from iOS 7 to 8.1:
When I found this in iOS 7, people excused in because 7.0 was early. Then 7.1 fixed. Then 8.0 broke it again, as you can see with this being on an iPhone 6. It wasn't a matter of luck to make it crash. I could do it whenever I felt like doing it.
I would have hoped 9.2 would have been like 7.1 where these kind of things actually get fixed.
Keep in mind that 7.1 was the last version of iOS 7 (not counting a couple of bug fix updates for it) and came out about half a year after iOS 7 was released. We are only around 2 months since the release of iOS 9 (and still plenty of things have been better already when compared to the early versions of iOS 8 or 7).
That's kind of my point though. 7.1 fixed in after 6 months, and 8.1.3 fixed it after 3 months of 8.0 being out. We're already 4 betas in to 9.2 which is close to a public release. It's starting to feel like it will take an iOS 9.6 to get it right.
I think many people didn't find iOS 8 to be all that good until closer to iOS 8.3 or so. So, yeah, we are likely looking at about 6 or so months, as has been the case with the last few iOS versions. (But, again, in many ways the early versions of iOS 9 have already been better than early versions of iOS 8 or 7 for many people, which is something, even though there are still things to be dealt with nonetheless.)
The very original comment in the chain was specifically in regards to battery drain and someone trying to bash Apple over beta battery life. In betas there are processes you never see shut off or turned back in different beta versions. There's no way to compare a beta to a final release battery life with any bit of certainty.
People want to install betas and then be shocked battery life (and performance) changes between them or from a former stable release to a beta and gets worse. These people have no business being on a beta if they dont understand installing a beta is at your own risk and for testing purposes only.
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I have found that doing the Siri cut-off bug is way easier than I thought because it doesn't require NC to bounce. If you just keep holding NC and then hold the home button for Siri, Siri will be cut off anywhere above where NC was. This one doesn't lock up the phone but it's still something.
For anyone who wants to try, pull down Notification Center all the way. Then pull it back up halfway and hold it there. Then hold the home button.
I have a video here and I also show other 9.2 issues like the jumpy app switcher.
For anyone who wants to try, pull down Notification Center all the way. Then pull it back up halfway and hold it there. Then hold the home button.
I have a video here and I also show other 9.2 issues like the jumpy app switcher.
That's still something you have to try to do. Normal people will not do that.
I do agree that the Forstall years seemed to have been more detail oriented. Also seems when 6 came out there were some issues that had people all in a tizzy too. Cant remember exactly what just I do recall folks all unwound about 6 for a short while. I concur that the leaving of Forstall and beginning of iOS 7 started the downhill decline to the attention to details and polish that Apple was once known for. That said, iOS 9 is working fine for me other than a few cosmetic issues and seems better with each release.
It's something I can try to do just like any kind of bug. Saying it only happens if you try is too absolute. The whole thing about bugs is that you fix them even if they're rare because it gives that much more polish. I don't know what you think the whole point of refinement updates like 9.1 and 9.2 are if fixing things like this aren't the point.
Another thing about bugs is that you have to decide which is more important to fix. Fixing bugs that more people have to deal with is much more important. So, yes, they should fix your pet bug. But don't pretend they need to rush and ignore anything else because of something a person likely has to go out of their way to do.
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