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Mlrollin91

macrumors G5
Nov 20, 2008
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Li ion batteries last longer with partial discharges. Discharging the battery down to zero is to calibrate the battery gauge(software) and has nothing to do with the actual capacity as long as the battery's been used once every couple days.

I'm at 583 cycles with 95% capacity

I didn't say calibrate the battery. All I said was make sure there is one full cycle every 30 days.
 

Mlrollin91

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Nov 20, 2008
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Correction. It doesn't have to be a complete cycle either.
Apple's battery page has been updated so I cannot find it. But for the last decade, their battery page has specifically stated to use one charge cycle every 30 days. I will continue to look for the source.

Remember, I'm not saying to discharge it fully once every 30 days. Im saying to make sure you use one cycle every 30 days. I don't care if its 100%->90% 10 times or 100%->75% 4 times, just don't leave it plugged in 24/7 for 30 days otherwise it will diminish capacity.

This is more common in laptops as people don't unplug it and the battery goes unused for 30 days and it hurts the health because the battery goes dormant.
 
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sbailey4

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Apple's battery page has been updated so I cannot find it. But for the last decade, their battery page has specifically stated to use one charge cycle every 30 days. I will continue to look for the source.

Remember, I'm not saying to discharge it fully once every 30 days. Im saying to make sure you use one cycle every 30 days. I don't care if its 100%->90% 10 times or 100%->75% 4 times, just don't leave it plugged in 24/7 for 30 days otherwise it will diminish capacity.

This is more common in laptops as people don't unplug it and the battery goes unused for 30 days and it hurts the health because the battery goes dormant.
Here is the new Apple battery info. The one you referenced has been gone a while.

To the OP, I would perform the settings>reset>reset all settings before doing a restore as new. That will typically resolve weird issues including battery drain without having to start over from scratch. Also you can restore iOS then restore your backup then do the settings reset and see if it gets better as well. That has been a valid fix since way back.
 
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Remember, I'm not saying to discharge it fully once every 30 days. Im saying to make sure you use one cycle every 30 days. I don't care if its 100%->90% 10 times or 100%->75% 4 times, just don't leave it plugged in 24/7 for 30 days otherwise it will diminish capacity.

As long as we remember to use the battery once a few days, we should be fine and the charge cycle(partial discharges adding up to a 100%) could be done over a span of more than a month.

Like you said, leaving it plugged in for 30 days straight would do more than just diminish the capacity.
 

Jerhen

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Here is the new Apple battery info. The one you referenced has been gone a while.

To the OP, I would perform the settings>reset>reset all settings before doing a restore as new. That will typically resolve weird issues including battery drain without having to start over from scratch. Also you can restore iOS then restore your backup then do the settings reset and see if it gets better as well. That has been a valid fix since way back.

I should give that a try before I put my 5s back in its box. I don't know if my carrier did that or if they just did a reset and restore. I have my old 5s sitting out turned on with no SIM card in it and it is still losing battery. I also don't have any email accounts or any apps on it and today it lost about 20 percent of its battery by just sitting. I really don't know what is wrong with it.
 

mrex

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Jul 16, 2014
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This is more common in laptops as people don't unplug it and the battery goes unused for 30 days and it hurts the health because the battery goes dormant.

Where have you got that info? That is contrast all knowledge of lithium batteries nowadays. You can safely store lithium batteries for months without it affects much the capacity.
 

akash.nu

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May 26, 2016
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Where have you got that info? That is contrast all knowledge of lithium batteries nowadays. You can safely store lithium batteries for months without it affects much the capacity.
I thought the same but apparently Apple has it on their support page.
 

julescilib

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Oct 2, 2012
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Also noticing battery drain compared to 9.3.2. I had done the update 9.3.3 OTA. I will try and restore like ya'll say.
 

qap

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Mar 29, 2011
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Italy
Look like something crashes and hangs the CPU at 100%, for that the iPhone become hot and the battery empty. But I can't find the problem, maybe is related to iPod/audio framekit but I can't be sure because it's hard to debug on iPhone. Anyway close all apps from background work but is annoying! Maybe is better to revert to .2....
 
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sbailey4

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I should give that a try before I put my 5s back in its box. I don't know if my carrier did that or if they just did a reset and restore. I have my old 5s sitting out turned on with no SIM card in it and it is still losing battery. I also don't have any email accounts or any apps on it and today it lost about 20 percent of its battery by just sitting. I really don't know what is wrong with it.
See what app it says is using battery in the battery settings. Something is using it. Perhaps iCloud is hung up. Signing out of it could help.
 

Mlrollin91

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Nov 20, 2008
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I always wonder why literally every version drains battery for some users.
It's honestly a mixture of indexing and corruption of the software. Sometimes something just gets stuck in the background without you realizing it. I always do a hard reboot after an update. Kills off all background tasks. If my battery continues to drain even after a hard reboot, I know sow thing went wrong with the installation and restore. I always make a backup right before updating. I will restore from backup and update again.
 

akash.nu

macrumors G4
May 26, 2016
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It's honestly a mixture of indexing and corruption of the software. Sometimes something just gets stuck in the background without you realizing it. I always do a hard reboot after an update. Kills off all background tasks. If my battery continues to drain even after a hard reboot, I know sow thing went wrong with the installation and restore. I always make a backup right before updating. I will restore from backup and update again.
But restoring from backup mostly brings back the glitch you had in the first place.
 

Mlrollin91

macrumors G5
Nov 20, 2008
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But restoring from backup mostly brings back the glitch you had in the first place.

Not necessarily true. The glitch could be update related only. So for example, I go from 9.3.2 -> 9.3.3. I make a backup on 9.3.2 before updating. I then proceed to update to 9.3.3 and the battery 'glitches out'. I then restore the iPhone to 9.3.3 as new and then apply the 9.3.2 backup on top of the newly restore 9.3.3 phone. Therefore, the backup is coming from software prior to the battery issue. I've had to do this a couple of times, seems to fix the issue.
 

akash.nu

macrumors G4
May 26, 2016
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Not necessarily true. The glitch could be update related only. So for example, I go from 9.3.2 -> 9.3.3. I make a backup on 9.3.2 before updating. I then proceed to update to 9.3.3 and the battery 'glitches out'. I then restore the iPhone to 9.3.3 as new and then apply the 9.3.2 backup on top of the newly restore 9.3.3 phone. Therefore, the backup is coming from software prior to the battery issue. I've had to do this a couple of times, seems to fix the issue.
Well, I tried that but it didn't work for me. Turned out that the battery was gone anyway.
 

sbailey4

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Dec 5, 2011
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It's honestly a mixture of indexing and corruption of the software. Sometimes something just gets stuck in the background without you realizing it. I always do a hard reboot after an update. Kills off all background tasks. If my battery continues to drain even after a hard reboot, I know sow thing went wrong with the installation and restore. I always make a backup right before updating. I will restore from backup and update again.
I do the opposite. I close all apps and reboot BEFORE I update. Then there is nothing open while its performing the update plus there is plenty of free memory available. Never seem to have the issues folks here experience. Esp with OTA updates.
 

mrex

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Jul 16, 2014
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My phone just came extreme hot suddenly and the battery drained "fast". I rebooted the phone and it worked.
 
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