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Yun0

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no..how are we supposed to restore from backups then if apps arent there to sync back.? let alone with their app data, we're supposed to live in the cloud.?

doesnt make sense
 

Yongkykun

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Personally, I'd disable app updates on iOS devices and update apps via iTunes. They still do sync updated apps from iTunes.

And more to your point, Yun0, this shows just how ignorant Apple is. They built an ecosystem cluttered with thousands of apps with each having its own data but none of them gets backed up by iTunes (and iCloud, CMIIW). I have to rely mostly on apps that do support cloud syncing and games that uses Facebook integration otherwise I'd have to deal with the aggravation of having to start over a game due to its save files not being transferred over when you restore from backup. I mean, what's the point of game center then?
 
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Rodan52

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I am running the Beta 3 release of MAC OSX 10.11, iTunes 12.3 and iOS9 on a iPhone 5s from a USB 2 external HD and a 2012 MBP, all iTunes functions are working as intended. Not too sure what you guys have done wrong??? I would start suspecting app incompatibility which happens every time a new OS or iOS is upgraded and next, Windows 10's ability to run iTunes 12.2.2. successfully.
If you are going to run cross platform apps I would never advise downloading the first release of any iOS, GM or not there will be a few updates before I would trust a new version of any software.
The iPhone 5s that I am running iOS 9 on is not my main phone and as stated El Capitan is not running on my main Mac HD and it wont be until these and other issues are resolved.
I you want to be first on the block with new software versions this is one of the pitfalls. If you have a problem with existing software then fix it, don't just assume that a new version will solve the problem.
Not one of you have posted enough information in this thread to even begin to assess where your problem may be let alone suggest a fix.
If you just wanted to bitch about it, you have done that very well.
 
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sanke1

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Not one of you have posted enough information in this thread to even begin to assess where your problem may be let alone suggest a fix.
If you just wanted to bitch about it, you have done that very well.

Wow just wow!! All the information is posted in my first post. Comprehend please !!!!
There is a difference between bitching for the heck of it or discussing a genuine difficulty in transferring apps purchases from iDevice to Windows/OSX.

On topic: I am using Windows 10. Is this occurring on Windows 8 & 7 too?
 

chrfr

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I am running the Beta 3 release of MAC OSX 10.11, iTunes 12.3 and iOS9 on a iPhone 5s from a USB 2 external HD and a 2012 MBP, all iTunes functions are working as intended. Not too sure what you guys have done wrong??? I would start suspecting app incompatibility which happens every time a new OS or iOS is upgraded and next, Windows 10's ability to run iTunes 12.2.2. successfully.
If you are going to run cross platform apps I would never advise downloading the first release of any iOS, GM or not there will be a few updates before I would trust a new version of any software.
The iPhone 5s that I am running iOS 9 on is not my main phone and as stated El Capitan is not running on my main Mac HD and it wont be until these and other issues are resolved.
I you want to be first on the block with new software versions this is one of the pitfalls. If you have a problem with existing software then fix it, don't just assume that a new version will solve the problem.
Not one of you have posted enough information in this thread to even begin to assess where your problem may be let alone suggest a fix.
If you just wanted to bitch about it, you have done that very well.
Last I checked this is a discussion forum. I don't see why you'd call that bitching.
This problem happens on OS X too, both released 10.10.5 and 10.11 GM Candidate.
 

zorinlynx

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Actually, app thinning would explain this perfectly. If the entire app isn't on the phone, there's no point syncing it from the phone to iTunes.

I'm guessing if you want your own copy of an IPA for an app (as a backup in case it's pulled from the store or whatnot) download the app directly in iTunes.
 

chrfr

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Actually, app thinning would explain this perfectly. If the entire app isn't on the phone, there's no point syncing it from the phone to iTunes.

I'm guessing if you want your own copy of an IPA for an app (as a backup in case it's pulled from the store or whatnot) download the app directly in iTunes.
From looking at the logs on my caching server, iTunes and devices are definitely not downloading the same files anymore, so I have a feeling that this isn't something that has a resolution.
I also wonder if downloading an app via iTunes and sending it to a device results in a larger file on the device or if iTunes is doing the thinning.
 

Yun0

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app thinning is no reason to remove such a function of itunes since forever, & why was it still working in ios 9 beta 1 & 2 then? it started for sure at beta 4, maybe beta 3, there was also one itunes update near the same time as those 2 betas or between them
 
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chrfr

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Jul 11, 2009
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app thinning is no reason to remove such a function of itunes since forever, & why was it still working in ios 9 beta 1 & 2 then? it started for sure at beta 4, maybe beta 3, there was also one itunes update near the same time as those 2 betas or between them
I agree that it's inconvenient but I could see how copying a thinned app back to the computer could cause confusion with users, particularly if the user has multiple devices.
 

Yun0

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has anyone with this problem created a backup, wipe their device, then restore from the backup? do their apps even return with the restore? with their app data?
 

mika74

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Sep 17, 2015
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To restore the backup we must have the apps in the iTunes library. This must be a bug. I'm pretty sure it's a problem with Windows 10. I will try to uninstall iTunes and reinstall but I am not able to find the exe file of 12.3 on apple site.
 

brigsby

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Jan 24, 2008
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Birmingham, Alabama
I am running the Beta 3 release of MAC OSX 10.11, iTunes 12.3 and iOS9 on a iPhone 5s from a USB 2 external HD and a 2012 MBP, all iTunes functions are working as intended. Not too sure what you guys have done wrong??? I would start suspecting app incompatibility which happens every time a new OS or iOS is upgraded and next, Windows 10's ability to run iTunes 12.2.2. successfully.
If you are going to run cross platform apps I would never advise downloading the first release of any iOS, GM or not there will be a few updates before I would trust a new version of any software.
The iPhone 5s that I am running iOS 9 on is not my main phone and as stated El Capitan is not running on my main Mac HD and it wont be until these and other issues are resolved.
I you want to be first on the block with new software versions this is one of the pitfalls. If you have a problem with existing software then fix it, don't just assume that a new version will solve the problem.
Not one of you have posted enough information in this thread to even begin to assess where your problem may be let alone suggest a fix.
If you just wanted to bitch about it, you have done that very well.

Would you mind giving something a try? Delete all your apps from iTunes or move them out of the library so they are no longer present in iTunes. Then hook up an iOS 9 device and go to File> Devices> Transfer purchases. Then let us know if the Apps are transferred back to iTunes. If they are transferred, would you let us know what kind of sync settings you have set on your devices?
I hooked up an iPad with iOS 9 to a MacBook Pro with a clean install of 10.11.1 and iTunes 12.3 and there was no warning that the iPad had been synced with another iTunes Library. That message has been presented every time I have ever connected an iOS device to a new iTunes Library.
 

Dark Goob

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Jun 6, 2007
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Portland, OR
Actually, app thinning would explain this perfectly. If the entire app isn't on the phone, there's no point syncing it from the phone to iTunes.

I'm guessing if you want your own copy of an IPA for an app (as a backup in case it's pulled from the store or whatnot) download the app directly in iTunes.

That makes no logical sense. iTunes could just store thethinned" version of the app, what's the problem with that?
 
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Mesut

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Apps are no longer transferred from iOS 9 devices and it is intentional.
 

fmotta01

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Jun 9, 2015
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Exactly. Judging from this article:
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/09/16/ios-9-under-the-hood-improvements/

Quote:
"App Thinning

Apps from third-party developers also require less installation space thanks to a feature called App Thinning. With App Thinning, apps can be optimized for specific devices, allowing them to take up less space on iOS devices.

An app for the iPhone doesn't need all of the iPad assets, so those won't be downloaded. That means faster installs, faster launch times, and more storage space left for other apps and content.

App Thinning also includes on-demand resources like image and sound files, which can be downloaded only when needed. The imagery for later levels in a game, for example, might not be downloaded until it's necessary. "

This seems to me to be the only possible reason for apps not syncing though. Hope there's a solution to this soon.
I read on development forums that this is the reason why.
It's not a bug since iTunes must download apps with both iPhone and iPad "components"
 

Killerbob

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Jan 25, 2008
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That sucks so bad that it may affect how I advice customers...

I live in Greenland, where we have metered Internet, and as a family of 3 iPhones and 3 iPads, updated apps take a significant share of our internet allowance at home. Hence, I am used to updating my IOS devices at work, and then syncing at home. It is bad enough that IOS updates are unique amongst models, but now we can't even update apps on the IOS devices and share them to the others.

I work in an IT development and support house up here, and we recommend users to buy hardware etc. Something like not being able to do this will affect user behavior...
 
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