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terrapinjess

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I am sure that iOS 9 will be a nice upgrade but I have the impression that the changes are subtle.
What do we get with iOS 9?
  • A better Siri
  • A better Notes app (sorry Apple but Evernote and OneNote are still much much better)
  • A new Music app that isn't really better than Google Music or Spotify (I would say they are on par)
  • Some small improvements in 1st party apps
  • New APIs for developers
iOS 9 will still work exactly the same as iOS 1.0 worked. We will still get the same grid of icons, with almost no customization options. I don't want to start complaining about the lack of widgets. iOS has the notification center for that and it's fine, but I would like to be able to freely move icons and folders to wherever I want them to on screen. I would like to leave free space so that I can enjoy my nice background picture. I would like to make my iPhone really mine.
Apple has made the iPhone a great tool, but this tool lost its personal touch. I like my technology to be personal and I have lost this feeling with the iPhone. Not because of the hardware (which is great), but because of the software which is working like a utility. I want to think of my smartphone as something more than a tool. Is it just me?
Please don't get me wrong. I am using Macs all the time, I love them and I love what Apple has done to OS X. I have used all iPhones since the beginning, but the last two years I started looking at the competition..
The iPhone is still the best phone for the majority of users. It works out of the box really well, something that is not a given when you look at the competition.
I just want to have a more exciting iOS.
At least the iPad version is getting an exciting (and long overdue) feature: Split screen multitasking.
It won't solve all iOS' issues, but it might be enough for me to start using an iPad again. I wish I could say the same for the iPhone too.

I agree with you. I wish a future iOS would adopt what the Apple Watch has done with their icons. No more app pages, no more grids, etc. I want to roll over all my icons and place them where I want.
 

ardchoille50

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I wish a future iOS would adopt what the Apple Watch has done with their icons. No more app pages, no more grids, etc. I want to roll over all my icons and place them where I want.
This sounds intriguing, I could get used to something like that on my iPhone 6.
 

campyguy

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I'm still not thrilled by iOS, however it's the most-secure modern mobile OS. I used Symbian a decade ago, and still miss the crapified versions of S60 we'd get in the US, and stuck with it even after the first iPhones came out. When the first Nexus came out, I got a GSM version and the VZW version (which was a major POS, Samsung!) - then I started looking at some of the code and ditched both Nexus handsets. To this day, all but one of my clients have banned Android phones from their workflow, and I won't allow them to be used by my employees for work-related matters.

For anyone who offers that Android is secure, read what Hiroshi Lockheimer had to say in today's The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...acy-apple-android-lockheimer-security-app-ops

I wanted a bigger display and a secure platform. I also need some devices on VZW's network, and I know that they install more crapware on their Android devices than anyone here in the US, and I'm still pissed off that they were tracking smartphones for over 2 years without our knowledge. I really wish that Google offered a secure OS, or I'd consider it. Apple's done a pretty good job IMO here. Personally, I'm not willing to trade my privacy for anything.
 
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C DM

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Do you realize how childish that sounds? Try stamping your foot when you type it
Seems like a fairly reasonable expectation, just not something that's always offered.

If someone says they should be able to do what they want in their home (as long as its legal let's say), is that somehow childish?
 

Shirasaki

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I'm still not thrilled by iOS, however it's the most-secure modern mobile OS. I used Symbian a decade ago, and still miss the crapified versions of S60 we'd get in the US, and stuck with it even after the first iPhones came out. When the first Nexus came out, I got a GSM version and the VZW version (which was a major POS, Samsung!) - then I started looking at some of the code and ditched both Nexus handsets. To this day, all but one of my clients have banned Android phones from their workflow, and I won't allow them to be used by my employees for work-related matters.

For anyone who offers that Android is secure, read what Hiroshi Lockheimer had to say in today's The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/technolo...acy-apple-android-lockheimer-security-app-ops

I wanted a bigger display and a secure platform. I also need some devices on VZW's network, and I know that they install more crapware on their Android devices than anyone here in the US, and I'm still pissed off that they were tracking smartphones for over 2 years without our knowledge. I really wish that Google offered a secure OS, or I'd consider it. Apple's done a pretty good job IMO here. Personally, I'm not willing to trade my privacy for anything.
Security is a very important point apple always want to mention when the time is right. I love such security features. I don't really want to have in depth personalisation, although that doesn't mean I have no wish on later iOS versions capable of doing something interesting android can do already.
What I want, is a easy to use device. When you pick it up, you instantly know what you want to do, and where it is. When you do this, this device reacts as you want. "just like that", the statement apple often mentioned. Android is great for personalisation, I agree. But, I need to take care this device as I take care of a PC, which is ridiculous. Windows can do much much more personalisation than mac, but it can also be configured as a very solid OS,with highly limited customise capability. I don't use much of Android, but I guess, Android is not able to do this.
 

Paddle1

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Being bored with something isn't necessarily a reason to change it, it can actually be made worse.

It is, in the end just a phone/computer. It may have been exciting when new but you've just gotten used to it.
 
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Tubamajuba

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That's not true. After 8 years of having the exact same thing people get bored you know..
If you think iOS has been the "exact same thing" for 8 years, then it's very true. iOS does infinitely more things now than it ever did even in iOS 4, much less iPhone OS 1. There is a Wikipedia article entitled "History of iOS" that lists all the changes. Even the few most major changes on that page alone amount to almost an entirely different OS now compared to what debuted on the original iPhone. If you can't appreciate that, you're certainly bored with iOS and need a change of scenery. But there are many millions of people out there that simply want an OS that runs apps well and provides a decent amount of features to enhance those apps. iOS does exactly that.

Your comments in this thread lead me to believe that iOS simply isn't going to make you happy. And there's nothing wrong with that, but I don't see Apple doing too many things to keep you interested in iOS anytime soon.
 

petvas

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The same argument can be made with OS X too. We still have the dock and everything works more or less the same as ten years ago, but there is a big difference here. OS X is working much better than any other OS, and it doesn't need to change. iOS has become stale. Apple must replace this home screen with something more modern.
 

Tubamajuba

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The same argument can be made with OS X too. We still have the dock and everything works more or less the same as ten years ago, but there is a big difference here. OS X is working much better than any other OS, and it doesn't need to change. iOS has become stale. Apple must replace this home screen with something more modern.
How is OS X working much better than any OS? Windows 10 is looking mighty fine, and runs very well even in an unfinished state. I can do everything I need to do in Windows 10 that I currently do in OS X.

Now, your personal preference is that OS X works better than any other OS. In fact, I agree with you. But my point is that it's all personal preference. You look at OS X and see an OS that is fine the way it is, someone else looks at it and wonders how people can possibly prefer it to Windows or Linux. You look at iOS as stale, I look at it in the same way that both you and I look at OS X- an OS that works much better (for me) than any other mobile OS.
 

petvas

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How is OS X working much better than any OS? Windows 10 is looking mighty fine, and runs very well even in an unfinished state. I can do everything I need to do in Windows 10 that I currently do in OS X.

Now, your personal preference is that OS X works better than any other OS. In fact, I agree with you. But my point is that it's all personal preference. You look at OS X and see an OS that is fine the way it is, someone else looks at it and wonders how people can possibly prefer it to Windows or Linux. You look at iOS as stale, I look at it in the same way that both you and I look at OS X- an OS that works much better (for me) than any other mobile OS.
Of course it is a matter of personal preference.
 

ardchoille50

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iOS has become stale. Apple must replace this home screen with something more modern.
This is an opinion.. no more, no less. My opinion is that the iOS home screen is perfectly fine the way it is. If you're unhappy with the current system you have two choices; a) change the system, or, b) move to a different system.
 

petvas

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This is an opinion.. no more, no less. My opinion is that the iOS home screen is perfectly fine the way it is. If you're unhappy with the current system you have two choices; a) change the system, or, b) move to a different system.
Exactly. What I hate the most is the way folders have been implemented. When opened, they take all the space of the screen and the animation bothers me a lot. On the other hand disabling all animations isn't the solution.
I wish Apple implemented folders the way Google did.
 

ardchoille50

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Exactly. What I hate the most is the way folders have been implemented. When opened, they take all the space of the screen and the animation bothers me a lot. On the other hand disabling all animations isn't the solution.
I wish Apple implemented folders the way Google did.
So get a job with Apple and make some changes. Or, move to a different mobile OS. My point is that life is much too short to have to suffer with disappointment and stress. You don't have to live with it, make some changes. Wishing it away isn't going to solve the problem.
 

petvas

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Have a look at what I mean. These are my home screen pages on my HTC One M9:
Screenshot_2015-06-10-07-08-38.png Screenshot_2015-06-10-07-08-53.png Screenshot_2015-06-10-07-09-00.png Screenshot_2015-06-10-07-09-16.png

It is much more productive for me and it gives me at a glance access to everything I need. I still haven't found a good way to do that on iOS.

Another thing to consider is the theming engine. The colors, the icons, the sounds, are all part of a theme I created for my device. I can change all these whenever I want to, if I get bored or if my needs change.
 

Paddle1

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It sounds like Android fits your needs better. You shouldn't get your hopes up for iOS to be more like Android, that could take a long time, or possibly never happen, quick reply was only just added last year.

What's wrong with just using your HTC One M9?
 
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khafaga

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That's not accurate. Please try to reply to a message and add a word document to your mail. You can only attach photos.

You could always paste attachments in Apple Mail (from other emails) whatever their kind was (PDFs, Word, Excel, etc..). It wasn't straightforward but it existed years before.
 
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AbSoluTc

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Have a look at what I mean. These are my home screen pages on my HTC One M9:
View attachment 560168 View attachment 560169 View attachment 560170 View attachment 560171

It is much more productive for me and it gives me at a glance access to everything I need. I still haven't found a good way to do that on iOS.

Another thing to consider is the theming engine. The colors, the icons, the sounds, are all part of a theme I created for my device. I can change all these whenever I want to, if I get bored or if my needs change.

Never been a fan of Android but it does have it's place for people that like to customize or fiddle. I don't like the look of it, it's clunky, not well thought out and there are too many context menus. It still seems half baked to me. The other thing people forget is that iOS keeps things simple and organized. Less is more and causes less issues. The hardware and software work great together. Not so on Android. So many different devices, hardware iterations, software version and screen sizes.

To each their own. iOS just works and that's why I will always be an iPhone guy. I don't have to fiddle with it or anything else. I don't need or want to customize my fonts, colors or have widgets I never use. That doesn't mean I'm not open for enhancements and changes though.

Pick what works for you.
 

uhaas

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For me, I switched to iOS because it had free upgrades and bug fixes. It does this by breaking the carrier stranglehold on devices.

I had a major issue with iOS crashing on iOS 7. It was frustrating, but only for a short while until the update came out. I will load iOS 9 on all my devices, some started with iOS 5. With Android, you're lucky to expect one or two upgrades, and they will lag behind releases of the software. It's crazy. I shouldn't have to buy a new device to fix bugs or get a new OS version.

I can't stand carrier customization, apps, bloat ware, etc. I don't want it. I also want to be able to have a conference call with more than 2 people while getting email or participating in a Webex, so I use GSM.

For me, I work for a corporation with security requirements and MDM policies, so forget jail breaking or rooting. I fail to see the huge appeal there anyway.

I used to live in an Android-like world, and I refuse to go back. Apple is far from perfect, but when things break, they do a great job of fixing it. And I don't have to buy new stuff to have that happen.
 

Ludatyk

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OS 9 will still work exactly the same as iOS 1.0 worked. We will still get the same grid of icons, with almost no customization options.

I think you missing the point with iOS... the ease of use is one of the most reason people choose it over the Android.
 
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