Phones iOS & Blackberry dropping - Windows phone booming!

[0dev]

The problem for BB is they didn't build an empire of the willing. Apple and Samsung did. The backbone of BB's success was that it was sold to enterprise, and given to users with little choice. The consumer chosen market of BB didn't hold up to competition. Apple at least is still holding their own--certainly they are profit-wise.

As for 3rd place I would say that has a lot riding on how much MS is willing to throw into it.



Michael

I'd disagree with that. Yes BB aimed at enterprise first, but customers had other smartphones to choose from - Nokia had Symbian S60 and Microsoft had Windows Mobile which HTC and Samsung used at the time. But most of them chose BlackBerries because the brand was popular, the devices were seen as a status symbol, and people liked the convenience of the amount of connectivity BBs offered.

 

[Irishman]

Subscribers means people using the BIS network. You do realise that the Z10 does not require people to use the BIS network, yes?

Plus, in terms of the company performance as a whole, they just made a $98m profit in the last quarter. Considering they've done that despite making a massive loss just a year earlier, I'd say they're already recovering very well and as long as developers put out BB10 apps I have full confidence BlackBerries will be around for some time yet.

And like I said, over 50% of Z10 customers are new to BlackBerry. They're bringing in new customers with BB10 already.

Further, according to this Wall Street Journal article, returns of the Z10 outnumber sales.

http://blogs.wsj.com/canadarealtime...rry-z10-returns-outnumber-sales/?mod=yahoo_hs

Not looking good for BB!

 

[samab]

Further, according to this Wall Street Journal article, returns of the Z10 outnumber sales.

http://blogs.wsj.com/canadarealtime...rry-z10-returns-outnumber-sales/?mod=yahoo_hs

Not looking good for BB!

An idiotic rumor that Blackberry categorically denied.

A lot of numbers that bloggers are throwing are crap because they all start with flawed browser analytics which nobody ever identifies Playbook/Z10 browser as a Blackberry.

http://stevesstats.blogspot.ca/2013/02/blackberry-z10-identification.html

Statcounter is the only one that is correctly identifying the Z10

http://crackberry.com/message-rim-f...-browser-data-new-devices-youre-helping-compe

And this is a problem that went all the way back to the original Playbook launch.

http://forums.crackberry.com/genera...2/bb10-browser-shows-safari-analytics-791528/

Which Google Analytics still haven't fixed 2 years later.

The only analytics firm that is correctly identifying the Z10 as a Blackberry is showing that at least in the UK, the bloggers are talking crap. Statcounter is showing a slow and steady market share gain in the UK --- and more importantly not a random sampling error.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-GB-weekly-201305-201314

 

[Irishman]

An idiotic rumor that Blackberry categorically denied.

A lot of numbers that bloggers are throwing are crap because they all start with flawed browser analytics which nobody ever identifies Playbook/Z10 browser as a Blackberry.

http://stevesstats.blogspot.ca/2013/02/blackberry-z10-identification.html

Statcounter is the only one that is correctly identifying the Z10

http://crackberry.com/message-rim-f...-browser-data-new-devices-youre-helping-compe

And this is a problem that went all the way back to the original Playbook launch.

http://forums.crackberry.com/genera...2/bb10-browser-shows-safari-analytics-791528/

Which Google Analytics still haven't fixed 2 years later.

The only analytics firm that is correctly identifying the Z10 as a Blackberry is showing that at least in the UK, the bloggers are talking crap. Statcounter is showing a slow and steady market share gain in the UK --- and more importantly not a random sampling error.

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-GB-weekly-201305-201314

Wow! This really hits you close. Jeez, man, you're gonna have a stroke.

Why take it personally? It's a business.

 

[0dev]

Wow! This really hits you close. Jeez, man, you're gonna have a stroke.

Why take it personally? It's a business.

Ironic coming from the guy who's pulling at straws to discredit BB. Every time I see you in the alternatives forum all I see is you saying "everything but the iPhone sucks!" You're either a fanboy, a troll, or both. Probably both.

 

[Irishman]

Ironic coming from the guy who's pulling at straws to discredit BB. Every time I see you in the alternatives forum all I see is you saying "everything but the iPhone sucks!" You're either a fanboy, a troll, or both. Probably both.

I think of myself as balanced. You clearly haven't read my posts except to argue, otherwise you'd know I'm not an iPhone fanboy(don't own one - I've made it clear in alternatives what phone I do own), nor a troll.

Please. Give me a break.

 

[Hastings101]

Oh yes iOS with 43% needs to really really sit down and think to itself I'm doing something seriously wrong because windows mobile is just sky-rocketing on 4.3%

Seriously - iOS is just dead. Its quite clear that if you have the biggest selling smartphone in the USA and the second highest OS inside the US despite being beaten by Android which is more than a dozen manufacturers, then you must be failing and now must pay heed to these clever 'self-analysts' that perpetuate the myth of your great demise on forums.

That tidal wave you predict is a veritable sunami (in a goldfish bowl)......

I'm sure the Blackberry people thought the same thing in the past . Not say that isn't true in this case, just that it's always wise to remember there's competition out there and sometimes it actually is better.

 

[samab]

I think of myself as balanced. You clearly haven't read my posts except to argue, otherwise you'd know I'm not an iPhone fanboy(don't own one - I've made it clear in alternatives what phone I do own), nor a troll.

Please. Give me a break.

I am a lot more balance than you. If you read the links that I posted, you will see that I specifically stated that this is all RIM's fault for not fixing this issue.

http://forums.crackberry.com/genera...er-shows-safari-analytics-791528/#post8259102

Even if RIM can't convince Google to change their analytics software --- at the very least, RIM should be talking to Wall Street analysts and internet bloggers to tell them that Google Analytics is wrong and they shouldn't judge Blackberry's market share based on these flawed data.

 

[Irishman]

I am a lot more balance than you. If you read the links that I posted, you will see that I specifically stated that this is all RIM's fault for not fixing this issue.

http://forums.crackberry.com/genera...er-shows-safari-analytics-791528/#post8259102

Even if RIM can't convince Google to change their analytics software --- at the very least, RIM should be talking to Wall Street analysts and internet bloggers to tell them that Google Analytics is wrong and they shouldn't judge Blackberry's market share based on these flawed data.

If you go back through my posts on this thread, you'll see that nowhere have I blamed BB for anything. I'm just sharing my opinions on whether certain moves were going to be beneficial for BB in the long term, AND I linked to an article that gave data that seemed to fortify my belief.

How is that me excoriating BB?

 

[samab]

If you go back through my posts on this thread, you'll see that nowhere have I blamed BB for anything. I'm just sharing my opinions on whether certain moves were going to be beneficial for BB in the long term, AND I linked to an article that gave data that seemed to fortify my belief.

How is that me excoriating BB?

You specifically stated that balance sheet not well --- which is completely untrue. RIM is debt free and cash flow positive.

Then you come out with your can't sell another million units statement --- RIM sold the first million Playbook without a native email client and sold another 500K in just the last 2 quarters (with vastly underpowered CPU).

Even if all hell breaks loose, RIM can still discount the Z10 to make that second million units easily --- and not hurt their profit margin at all because the Z10 uses a mid 2012 CPU (aka Samsung S3 hardware). It is much cheaper for RIM to make the Z10 using a mid 2012 dual core CPU.

 

[Tinmania]

RIM sold the first million Playbook without a native email client and sold another 500K in just the last 2 quarters (with vastly underpowered CPU).

You are touting that as a good thing??




Mike