iOS version or Intel?

[darngooddesign]

LOL, that was only 1 reason I bought the M1, it disappointed me in other ways that make it less useful too. As for talking to the developers -- it's not one or two or three apps that I want, I want the whole ecosystem, so how do you propose I talk to all the developers? That's something Apple can do, not any individual.

Talk to the developers of the apps you use. Thats how you start building momentum.

Or just sit around and harumph over a feature you want, but refuse to do anything about.

I found the M1BA I had for a week to be great and not disappointing in the least.

 

[bobcomer]

Talk to the developers of the apps you use. Thats how you start building momentum.

Or just sit around and harumph over a feature you want, but refuse to do anything about.

I found the M1BA I had for a week to be great and not disappointing in the least.

I have quite a few apps on my multiple iOS devices...

Complaining is fair game, Apple promised it and didn't deliver. A week? You haven't even had time to find out what you can and cannot do. I've had it since the first day it could be shipped to me last year. I was impressed with it to begin with too.

 

[Apple_Robert]

That's a weird thing to say, but yes, I'm quite disappointed with my MBA and what it can run.

You should be disappointed with the respective developers who have decided not to offer a Mac version. There is nothing wrong with the M1. The problem is with your false expectations not being fulfilled.

 

[darngooddesign]

I have quite a few apps on my multiple iOS devices...

Complaining is fair game, Apple promised it and didn't deliver. A week? You haven't even had time to find out what you can and cannot do. I've had it since the first day it could be shipped to me last year. I was impressed with it to begin with too.

Apple delivered the feature that they promised; 3rd part developers are the ones who dropped the ball. But complaining is an easy way to feel better.

The Air did everything my current computer does, but faster and cooler, which is what I wanted. I just decided to wait for the upcoming 14" to see if they get SD and MagSafe, if they aren't what I want I'll happily get another M1BA.

Considering how negatively this iOS thing affects you I don't think I'll take your disappointment as an indication that the M1s are bad.

 

[bobcomer]

You should be disappointed with the respective developers who have decided not to offer a Mac version. There is nothing wrong with the M1. The problem is with your false expectations not being fulfilled.

LOL, you guys are a riot defending Apple. I am disappointed in the developers too. There are things wrong with the M1, but that's beside the point, and yes, I expected more *because of what Apple said.*

 

[darngooddesign]

And you're a riot for blaming Apple because 3rd party developers didn't implement a feature.

 

[Apple_Robert]

LOL, you guys are a riot defending Apple. I am disappointed in the developers too. There are things wrong with the M1, but that's beside the point, and yes, I expected more *because of what Apple said.*

How did Apple do something wrong? Apple said iOS apps would be available. They didn't say all iOS apps, as far as I recall. That decision is left to the developer. It seems you assumed every app would be available. You shouldn't have assumed.

The M1 isn't perfect. I think a lot of the problems are OS related, which is not uncommon. Overall, I think Apple has done an excellent job with the first gen M1.

 

[bobcomer]

Apple delivered the feature that they promised; 3rd part developers are the ones who dropped the ball. But complaining is an easy way to feel better.

They haven't pushed the issue, and YES, complaining is fair game when a vendor has a selling point and doesn't deliver. You don't like it, ignore me -- the only reason I've posted the last few messages are just in response to all the defending of Apple, ignoring the core matter involved. (and blaming me for complaining!)

 

[Apple_Robert]

They haven't pushed the issue, and YES, complaining is fair game when a vendor has a selling point and doesn't deliver. You don't like it, ignore me -- the only reason I've posted the last few messages are just in response to all the defending of Apple, ignoring the core matter involved. (and blaming me for complaining!)

I think you should complain. The point is your complaint is not with Apple but the developers.

 

[bobcomer]

And you're a riot for blaming Apple because 3rd party developers didn't implement a feature.

Apple is a closed universe, they're the only ones to blame because of that. It's up to them to encourage the developers. If it were open like WIndows, I wouldn't be blaming Microsoft.

 

[bobcomer]

How did Apple do something wrong? Apple said iOS apps would be available. They didn't say all iOS apps, as far as I recall. That decision is left to the developer. It seems you assumed every app would be available. You shouldn't have assumed.

They never encouraged it, even though they said we could run iOS apps on an M1 Mac. True, they never said all, but they never said a few either.

The M1 isn't perfect. I think a lot of the problems are OS related, which is not uncommon. Overall, I think Apple has done an excellent job with the first gen M1.

Overall, yes, it's the best V1 thing I've seen, but it's still a V1, and its limitations happen to be things I want or need. The only real hardware/OS things I've found are the crashing while asleep about once a week, and for some reason, USB is really slow compared to other machines, and that impacts any USB peripherals one might have.

 

[bobcomer]

I think you should complain. The point is your complaint is not with Apple but the developers.

No, my complaint is mainly with Apple, it's their ballgame.

 

[ADGrant]

I have come to realize that there are some apps that have a macOS-Intel version, and they also have an iOS version with roughly the same functionality. What they don’t have is a macOS version optimized for Apple Silicon.

So that leaves me with the choice of running the iOS version on my Mac or the Intel version on my Mac. Am I correct in thinking that the iOS version is generally the better choice? I don’t think iOS apps require emulation to run on Apple Silicon.

I don't think your assumption is a good one. Every app is different but very few apps have an iOS and MacOS version with identical functionality (unless the MacOS version is really the iOS version ported with Catalyst). The MacOS version normally has more features and the iOS version may not run well on MacOS without modification. The MacOS Intel app will probably run better even if it needs Rosetta 2.

Also, I doubt that many developers who have a separate MacOS version of their app will just let you run the iOS version instead. They would be giving up revenue.

 

[ADGrant]

Apple is a closed universe, they're the only ones to blame because of that. It's up to them to encourage the developers. If it were open like WIndows, I wouldn't be blaming Microsoft.

MacOS is open like Windows. In someways more open, the kernel is open source. Any developer can download Apple's tools without paying Apple a fee, develop an app and distribute it themselves. They don't even need to use Apple's tools directly, they can chose from a wide variety of programming languages and cross platform technologies. All the standard unix command line tools are available.

FWIW I have made an iOS app available on the M1 Macs. It was designed to work well on a 12.9" iPad with a physical keyboard and as a result works reasonably well on MacOS. I therefore decided to allow it to be installed on an M1 Mac.
However, I doubt you or most other people would be very interested. It's a very niche app and there are much more fully featured native apps on MacOS that address its particular niche.